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Gonzo
2nd April 2010, 01:20
I know that most of the people in the media are Guardian reading lefties and that doesn't bother me. Despite what some people claim goes on, I have never been aware of any bias permeating through into the delivery of factual news programmes.

I know that many of the comedians that I enjoy listening to on the radio are left-wing but I have never felt that they have been intruding into my political views.

Having said that, I have noticed a couple of items on the BBC website over the past week or so that do not help the case for Labour at all.

Business groups back Tory National Insurance plans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8599447.stm)
Brown admits 'misusing' immigration statistics (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8597530.stm)

I can't remember seeing stories with that sort of negative tone towards the government on the BBC website before so maybe there has been an implicit bias that is undergoing a change at the moment.

So


is my deluded brain just making things up and showing me things that aren't really there?
or the BBC really thinks the tories will win the election and have decided to start being less hostile for the sake of its own survival?
or the BBC has always been anti Labour/Conservative* and will never change


What are the panel's views?



*delete according to your own particular prejudice

NickFitz
2nd April 2010, 01:55
Both sides (and their supporters) regularly claim that the BBC is biased against them. This is what happens when politicians, whose most deeply-held belief is that "If you're not for us, you're against us," are faced with impartial journalism.

It's just politicians denigrating those who reveal the truth about them - it's always happened, and it always will, but you should know better than to believe them.

This is also why so many people think The Grauniad supports Labour when it is, in fact, the only national newspaper that can lay any claim to lack of political partiality, and most certainly doesn't support Labour in the way that, say, the Mail and the Telegraph support the Conservatives. I know because I read it, and it prints many stories revealing discreditable truths about Labour - just as many, in fact, as about the Tories.

Gonzo
2nd April 2010, 02:36
It does concern me that so many right-wingers seem to be very anti-BBC at the moment, probably beholden to Murdoch.

I have to warn the people that would prefer not to pay the licence fee and not have the BBC that TV in countries that have no such arrangement is dire. :suicide:

bodnobal
2nd April 2010, 03:05
This is also why so many people think The Grauniad supports Labour when it is, in fact, the only national newspaper that can lay any claim to lack of political partiality, and most certainly doesn't support Labour in the way that, say, the Mail and the Telegraph support the Conservatives. I know because I read it, and it prints many stories revealing discreditable truths about Labour - just as many, in fact, as about the Tories.

April fools day was on the 1st you missed it by 1 day, better luck next year.

The Gruniuad revenue comes from not selling their newspapers, it comes from their advertising from central government. They are so much in bed with Liebour that when Gordon farts the editor goes into spoon mode.

NickFitz
2nd April 2010, 03:12
April fools day was on the 1st you missed it by 1 day, better luck next year.

The Gruniuad revenue comes from not selling their newspapers, it comes from their advertising from central government. They are so much in bed with Liebour that when Gordon farts the editor goes into spoon mode.

You should try thinking for yourself some time - it's much more rewarding than accepting whatever nonsensical conspiracy theories you get fed by the hive mind.

bodnobal
2nd April 2010, 03:57
You should try thinking for yourself some time - it's much more rewarding than accepting whatever nonsensical conspiracy theories you get fed by the hive mind..

ffs, you are over the age of 18 I bet as well. ******* education in this country.

NickFitz
2nd April 2010, 04:15
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ffs, you are over the age of 18 I bet as well. ******* education in this country.

Public school, old chap, and I'm in my forties :p

OwlHoot
2nd April 2010, 08:50
.. Having said that, I have noticed a couple of items on the BBC website over the past week or so that do not help the case for Labour at all.

...

What are the panel's views?

Although I don't really believe the BBC is institutionally biased, it does seem that many presenters and commentators let their personal bias in favour of Labour slip out subliminally, or sometimes even blatantly.

For example, a couple of days ago when a female newsreader started an item about David Cameron her tone of voice seemed to turn slightly harsher and disapproving. It was hardly noticeable, and perhaps she didn't even realise she was doing it. But that's one example of many.

It's also well-known that interviewers like Andrew Marr tend to give Labour politicians an easy ride, and miss obvious rejoinders, in contrast to the harder time they give Tories.

Also, I believe Labour changed the BBC funding arrangements, so that licence fees now go into the general tax pot and the BBC is paid like any other Government department.

Gonzo
2nd April 2010, 09:01
For example, a couple of days ago when a female newsreader started an item about David Cameron her tone of voice seemed to turn slightly harsher and disapproving. It was hardly noticeable, and perhaps she didn't even realise she was doing it. But that's one example of many.Do you mean Sarah Montague on the Today programme?

I noticed the same thing a week or so ago. There was nothing wrong with the words that she used it was her tone of voice.


I should reiterate, I am not anti-BBC. It might not be perfect but it is good to have it. I now live somewhere where there is no equivalent and TV here is crap.

Green Mango
2nd April 2010, 09:11
The BBC have admited to a minor left wing bias. they say it is because their producers and presenters are often left wing. Lefties recruit more lefties..

Walsingham
2nd April 2010, 09:15
Jane Garvey's recollections of 2nd May 1997:

I do remember I walked back in - we were broadcasting then from Broadcasting House in the centre of London, all very upmarket in those days - and the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles.

http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2010/03/jane-garvey-champagne-clip-thanks-to.html

Like most people I enjoy a fair bit of what the BBC does but it has to sort out the blatant centre-left agenda lurking behind a lot of its news and current affairs output.

It's like watching Fox News for guardianistas most of the time.

Sysman
2nd April 2010, 09:50
This is also why so many people think The Grauniad supports Labour when it is, in fact, the only national newspaper that can lay any claim to lack of political partiality, and most certainly doesn't support Labour in the way that, say, the Mail and the Telegraph support the Conservatives. I know because I read it, and it prints many stories revealing discreditable truths about Labour - just as many, in fact, as about the Tories.

If you wind it back to the end of the last Conservative Government, I thought that the Guardian had rather lost the plot. They'd done a good job during the Thatcher and early Major years of providing broadsheet quality opposition, but seemed to fall into a limbo with New Labour. The hard left element (old timers?) there apparently didn't like New Labour. I stopped reading it about then.

Fortunately the Telegraph under Conrad Black stepped into the breach, changing from the too-right-wing-for-me rag that it had been to a more objective stye of reporting. It helped that they slashed prices to 10p in response to a price war with the Times when I was on the dole, and I always liked their crosswords.

The Telegraph has definitely gone downhill since the Barclay Brothers took it over. :(

doodab
2nd April 2010, 10:17
The BBC have admited to a minor left wing bias. they say it is because their producers and presenters are often left wing. Lefties recruit more lefties..

Well given labour are the most right wing of the mainstream parties on quite a few issues at the moment I don't think we can necessarily accuse the BBC of favouring them.

SueEllen
2nd April 2010, 10:17
It's like watching Fox News for guardianistas most of the time.

Odd then that my European friends who have a choice of what English language news programs they watch, watch BBC News.

Then personally I prefer watching Newsnight where all politicians are seen as not being truthful.

d000hg
2nd April 2010, 10:21
If most people working somewhere are the same political view, what do you expect?

Although I find it strange that BBC presenters, who are highly paid middle-class folk, would be Labour supporters in general in the first place.

Walsingham
2nd April 2010, 10:25
Odd then that my European friends who have a choice of what English language news programs they watch, watch BBC News.

And this proves what exactly?

SueEllen
2nd April 2010, 10:30
Although I find it strange that BBC presenters, who are highly paid middle-class folk, would be Labour supporters in general in the first place.

They mostly come from the same universities, and were in the same or same sort of societies at university.

At one of the universities I went to I knew 2 of the presidents of the Student Union. They were both officially Labour supporters but I know when they both started uni they both supported and were active members of the Green Party.

Some people will support a party if it gets them the job and isn't detrimental to their lifestyle.

The Wikir Man
2nd April 2010, 10:34
It does concern me that so many right-wingers seem to be very anti-BBC at the moment, probably beholden to Murdoch.

A couple of weeks ago (March 19th, now that I find it) , The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2898713/Sun-unearths-alarming-smears-against-Tories-by-state-owned-BBC.html) (prop. Mr R. Murdoch) was bleating about how the BBC had made Cameron look silly:


Last week bosses tried to make Mr Cameron look a laughing stock by putting out footage of him checking his hair in the wind before making a serious statement on Northern Ireland.

Umm, actually, the BBC found footage of Cameron preening himself on You Tube. Which had been broadcast by SKY NEWS (prop. Mr R. Murdoch). Obviously, broadcasting the footage was blatant bias by the BBC, and had nothing at all to do with their sister company. Oh no.

The Wikir Man
2nd April 2010, 10:37
Of course, the BBC is also blatantly biased against the Tories (as the Sun points out, linked to above) by brainwashing our children via the means of Basil Brush.

Will someone please think of the children!!!

Scary
2nd April 2010, 10:51
And this proves what exactly?

That mainland Europeans have generally socialist tendencies.

BolshieBastard
2nd April 2010, 10:56
I know that most of the people in the media are Guardian reading lefties and that doesn't bother me. Despite what some people claim goes on, I have never been aware of any bias permeating through into the delivery of factual news programmes.

I know that many of the comedians that I enjoy listening to on the radio are left-wing but I have never felt that they have been intruding into my political views.

Having said that, I have noticed a couple of items on the BBC website over the past week or so that do not help the case for Labour at all.

Business groups back Tory National Insurance plans (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8599447.stm)
Brown admits 'misusing' immigration statistics (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8597530.stm)

I can't remember seeing stories with that sort of negative tone towards the government on the BBC website before so maybe there has been an implicit bias that is undergoing a change at the moment.

So


is my deluded brain just making things up and showing me things that aren't really there?
or the BBC really thinks the tories will win the election and have decided to start being less hostile for the sake of its own survival?
or the BBC has always been anti Labour/Conservative* and will never change


What are the panel's views?



*delete according to your own particular prejudice

****'s sake, people who whinge about bias in the media do my head in. Are you incapable of forming your own opinions on what information is presented to you? Or do you have to be spoonfed everything that only agrees with your outlook.

Man up, wuss!

NotAllThere
2nd April 2010, 11:19
Generally, the BBC is anti-government, with a bias toward the left.

Addanc
2nd April 2010, 11:38
****'s sake, people who whinge about bias in the media do my head in. Are you incapable of forming your own opinions on what information is presented to you? Or do you have to be spoonfed everything that only agrees with your outlook.

Man up, wuss!

Unfortunately there are a lot of plant pots like you who will accept any old tulip as being the truth; therefore allowing their votes to be easily influenced.

Platypus
2nd April 2010, 11:49
Although I find it strange that BBC presenters, who are highly paid middle-class folk, would be Labour supporters in general in the first place.

It's their moral conscience. And anyway, many (all?) are freelancers who have the opportunity to arrange their affairs in a tax-efficient manner. I doubt many will be paying the 50% tax rate although they earn > £150k.

Funny how people can blather on about "fairness" while not paying their "fair share" :rolleyes:

hyperD
2nd April 2010, 12:42
For anyone who has worked at the BBC or other media establishments, you will know that the sector is packed with young, progressive liberal types whose political affinities lie with the left; ergo there is a natural and not always necessarily a deliberate bias of selective reporting in news stories and interviews favouring liberal or socialist parties over the right.

Subtle changes in BBC headlines like “Tory MP In Expenses Fraud” versus “Government Minister Suspected In Expenses Claim Issue” where the naming of the Tory MP is always associated with the negativity of the message while the second one does not, particularly if it is a Labour minister.

Some of the BBC interviewing shows patterns of bias too, comparing the constant and aggressive interrupting of Tory ministers versus other liberal parties that are often given an open platform to share their message. This has caused some people to actually measure and report (http://beebbiascraig.blogspot.com) this statistic.

Biased BBC website here (http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/) often highlights areas of bias reporting, some posts are more tenuous than others of course.

With 25 years of working at the BBC as a journalist, former employee Robin Aitken wrote a very enlightening book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0826494277/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending) of his experiences within.

My view is similar to Nick Fitz's in that I form my own view and opinions from many different sources, even international. I also don’t have a TV licence anymore and very rarely watch programmes and certainly not live broadcast.

However, there is no denying the fact that if you tend to get your news from one source only, your opinions will be based upon the selectivity of content and opinion of that one source.

Doggy Styles
2nd April 2010, 14:16
For anyone who has worked at the BBC or other media establishments, you will know that the sector is packed with young, progressive liberal types whose political affinities lie with the left...Indeed.

The idealistic young are more lefty than right. Most BBC employees are public service workers, so it is natural for them to retain their natural lefty tendency.

My father worked in TV. He changed from reading the Daily Mirror to the Telegraph as he got older. The roots for that were having to go on a strike he didn't agree with in the seventies.

TykeMerc
2nd April 2010, 14:35
****'s sake, people who whinge about bias in the media do my head in. Are you incapable of forming your own opinions on what information is presented to you? Or do you have to be spoonfed everything that only agrees with your outlook.

Man up, wuss!

If the media you obtain information from presents a skewed view then opinions tend to be skewed.

It's no mystery that all media organisations have a certain amount of bias and I happen to agree that the BBC which used to at least be subtle with its bias and tried to present an even handed view seems to have lost that. The most blatant example recently is that the BBC seems to be firmly committed to the AGW camp and has been for some time.

Sysman
2nd April 2010, 14:41
The most blatant example recently is that the BBC seems to be firmly committed to the AGW camp and has been for some time.

I'll agree with that. I noticed two or three years ago that they were introducing AGW stuff into stories where it wasn't relevant.

threaded
2nd April 2010, 15:36
Stuffed deer heads on walls are bad enough, but it's worse when they are wearing dark glasses and have streamers in their antlers because then you know they were enjoying themselves at a party when they were shot.

Doggy Styles
2nd April 2010, 16:08
I'll agree with that. I noticed two or three years ago that they were introducing AGW stuff into stories where it wasn't relevant.Yes. On their famous tour of the planets series they said that the atmosphere of Venus was a result of runaway global warming, and warned us that that is what would happen on earth.

So if we carry on, our atmosphere will be 96% CO2, 400 degrees centigrade and a pressure of 90 times what it is now.

Platypus
2nd April 2010, 16:10
So if we carry on, our atmosphere will be 96% CO2, 400 degrees centigrade and a pressure of 90 times what it is now.....

...... in as little 20 years' time !

Doggy Styles
2nd April 2010, 16:11
...... in as little 20 years' time !Maybe sooner. It's a lot warmer this afternoon than it was this morning. At that rate, it will only take a month or two.

threaded
2nd April 2010, 16:14
Maybe sooner. It's a lot warmer this afternoon than it was this morning. At that rate, it will only take a month or two.

Not in Denmark, it'll only be next week!

fullyautomatix
2nd April 2010, 19:20
For anybody with a bit of brains, it is obvious that BBC is extremely manipulated by the government in power. The government is capable of scrapping the TV tax and so cut the funding that the BBC gets so easily by doing nothing. The recent appearance of the extreme right BNP on Question Time was a clever Labour idea of generating a country wide interest in BNP and therefore splitting the conservative votes.

Platypus
2nd April 2010, 19:30
For anybody with a bit of brains, it is obvious that BBC is extremely manipulated by the government in power.

When the Tories were in, I didn't detect a right wing bias. Quite the opposite.

VectraMan
2nd April 2010, 20:22
On Sunday morning the BBC are making F1 fans switch channels in the middle of a live sporting event, all so they can show some left wing religious nonsense. FFS - just wait an hour. Jesus will still be dead.:tantrum:

Bias if ever I heard it.

SueEllen
2nd April 2010, 20:43
On Sunday morning the BBC are making F1 fans switch channels in the middle of a live sporting event, all so they can show some left wing religious nonsense. FFS - just wait an hour. Jesus will still be dead.:tantrum:

Bias if ever I heard it.

Legally they have to do religious programming. Like legally all channels have to have their main evening news by 11pm.

They have quite cleverly now put Songs of Praise, the program that made me do my homework on a Sunday, on at random times but I think there must be legal restrictions in the morning that mean we have to suffer God Bothering.

xoggoth
2nd April 2010, 21:41
Never really agreed that the BBC is particularly biased. Really can't remember instances but have noted well before this that they are quite willing to make some adverse comments on Labour.

Green Mango
3rd April 2010, 09:12
Never really agreed that the BBC is particularly biased. Really can't remember instances but have noted well before this that they are quite willing to make some adverse comments on Labour.

Well the BBC itself has admitted it has a left wing bias. If you are left wing you would find it hard to discern as duffing up the right would seem normal to you

NickFitz
3rd April 2010, 16:45
Well the BBC itself has admitted it has a left wing bias.


No it hasn't (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/bias_at_the_bbc.html). You can't believe what you read in the Mail you know.

Flashman
3rd April 2010, 16:49
No it hasn't (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/bias_at_the_bbc.html). You can't believe what you read in the Mail you know.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411846/We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.html

read the article and make up your own mind.

NickFitz
3rd April 2010, 16:57
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411846/We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.html

read the article and make up your own mind.

That's the article that is refuted in the article I linked to :rolleyes:

As I said, you can't believe what you read in the Mail.

EDIT: as you probably can't be bothered to read anything that doesn't confirm your existing opinion, I'll point out just one of the blatant lies in the Mail report: it claims to have a leaked report from a secret meeting. The meeting in question was in fact streamed live on the web to the general public.

Green Mango
3rd April 2010, 17:17
No it hasn't (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/bias_at_the_bbc.html). You can't believe what you read in the Mail you know.

Wasn't in the Daily Mail. The BBC admitted it's bias on the BBC.

shaunbhoy
3rd April 2010, 18:01
Wasn't in the Daily Mail. The BBC admitted it's bias on the BBC.

When they start including actual quotes from people, you know you are onto something fairly pukka.

Green Mango
3rd April 2010, 19:00
When they start including actual quotes from people, you know you are onto something fairly pukka.

The BBC does studies on itself. On one BBC report on TV they admitted a minor left wing bias. The bias they said was because most of the programme makers and presenters were LEFT WING. In other words they could not help themselves.

The report writers recommended trying to correct the bias. I haven't seen much evidence that this policey is working.