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scooterscot
22nd April 2010, 21:32
Screams the woman complaining to the interviewer at the airport about who is going to repay her hotel and food expenses from her extended trip in Gran Canaria -

words fail me

norrahe
22nd April 2010, 21:35
Screams the woman complaining to the interviewer at the airport about who is going to repay her hotel and food expenses from her extended trip in Gran Canaria -

words fail me

Well at least we know what the tax payers money is going on................ :grin

threaded
23rd April 2010, 04:10
Are people on benefits not allowed a normal lifestyle like everyone else?

Also Gran Canria is probably cheaper than holidaying in the UK.

Jeebo72
23rd April 2010, 08:06
[QUOTE=threaded;1129808]Are people on benefits not allowed a normal lifestyle like everyone else?

QUOTE]

not while we're paying...

threaded
23rd April 2010, 08:08
not while we're paying...

One should look charitably on those less fortunate than ourselves. There but for the grace of God, and all that...

milanbenes
23rd April 2010, 08:09
Screams the woman complaining to the interviewer at the airport about who is going to repay her hotel and food expenses from her extended trip in Gran Canaria -

words fail me



well, I say good luck to them if they can get away with it

it is the fault of the system not of these people

Milan.

threaded
23rd April 2010, 08:10
well, I say good luck to them if they can get away with it

it is the fault of the system not of these people

Milan.

Absolutely, blame the game, not the player.

milanbenes
23rd April 2010, 08:16
Absolutely, blame the game, not the player.


that folks, is the problem with politics today,

you see, good luck to these people taking advantage of the system

if we however, want and think the system to be changed, what do we do about it, sweet fa, why ? because in today's world the average family (and I mean a household with joint income from 20k to 100k) is too busy have both partners working so that they can service their mortgage, debts, and lifestyle

look back 30 years and 1 income could service a mortgage and family, today it needs two

result being, no spare energy or capacity to have any inclination of getting involved in politics and influencing changes on subjects like this

all average joe can do today is, be a spectator

how many of us go to meetings of the local council, how many of us are members of the local council ?

Milan.

threaded
23rd April 2010, 08:41
that folks, is the problem with politics today,

you see, good luck to these people taking advantage of the system


You see it as a political problem, not that they're slaves.

There are a few fortunate people in the world who have their freedom, the rest are just slaves.

As slaves they're happy to see when another slave manages to tweak the nose of the boss.

Of course, there are always the mean-spirited slaves: the ones who look fondly on others getting a whipping for licking the pastry.

original PM
23rd April 2010, 08:51
The problem is it will take about a generation to change.

You currently have 2nd and 3rd generation doleites who have made a career from milking the system

Until such time as we stop giving people money and start giving them food stamps etc so that all the state provides is food and a roof and NO luxuries you will not see anything change.

The main fear of most politicians is that during that transition period from what we have now to what we need to have there will be an increase in crime and social unrest as people move to stealing the luxuries that they have not earned.

It can be done - it takes a strong government and a strong populace.

Whether we will do it, well I doubt we have either of the above 2 prerequisites.

threaded
23rd April 2010, 08:54
There are a great many people who have had good jobs and bought themselves luxuries, and then due to government policy, find themselves on the dole.

Are you saying they should be made to sell everything?

Moscow Mule
23rd April 2010, 09:27
There are a great many people who have had good jobs and bought themselves luxuries, and then due to government policy, find themselves on the dole.

Are you saying they should be made to sell everything?

They have a choice - live on the bare minimum, or sell their wares.

JSA is supposed to keep you on your feet whilst you look for a job, not be a replacement for a £20k job.

threaded
23rd April 2010, 09:32
They have a choice - live on the bare minimum, or sell their wares.

JSA is supposed to keep you on your feet whilst you look for a job, not be a replacement for a £20k job.

My position is: why should people suffer because of government policy? If the government is happy to bring lots of people in on cheap wages then why should the people who would otherwise do these jobs bother looking for work, and additional to that, why should they suffer a lower standard of living?

gingerjedi
23rd April 2010, 09:58
My position is: why should people suffer because of government policy? If the government is happy to bring lots of people in on cheap wages then why should the people who would otherwise do these jobs bother looking for work, and additional to that, why should they suffer a lower standard of living?

I totally agree, there are plenty of 'hard working families' who've seen their standard of living completely undermined by government policy. It's no fun struggling to get by whilst your future plans go down the toilet through no fault of your own.

Is it Germany where you get benefit based on a percentage of your last wage for a set period so you don't suffer in the short term?

fullyautomatix
23rd April 2010, 09:59
Are people on benefits not allowed a normal lifestyle like everyone else?

Also Gran Canria is probably cheaper than holidaying in the UK.


When proper working people struggle to save enough for a decent holiday, because the bulk of their wages are robbed by the socialist government as taxes, I have a big problem with people on benefits going on holiday. Benefits are being paid to sustain and not to party. It's such a disgrace that people n benefits are able to holiday using my tax money and even have the audacity to go public admitting that.:mad:

Jeebo72
23rd April 2010, 10:27
One should look charitably on those less fortunate than ourselves. There but for the grace of God, and all that...

I'm athiest.

Mich the Tester
23rd April 2010, 10:27
I'm athiest.I'm atheist.

Jeebo72
23rd April 2010, 10:29
When proper working people struggle to save enough for a decent holiday, because the bulk of their wages are robbed by the socialist government as taxes, I have a big problem with people on benefits going on holiday. Benefits are being paid to sustain and not to party. It's such a disgrace that people n benefits are able to holiday using my tax money and even have the audacity to go public admitting that.:mad:

And sustain 20 fags, 12 cans of stella a day habit while ponsing around with their 3 kids called Chardonnay, Trent, and Kylie all of whom and under 5, have Nike's and iPhones.

Don't mind minimal food and shelter to survive. But it's taking the p1ss these days.

Jeebo72
23rd April 2010, 10:33
I'm atheist.

Very good. Feel better? Proud? A surge that says, I'm here, I've made it, THE WORLD IS MINE? The surge Nadal gets when he wins Wimbledon, Tiger wins the Masters, it says I AM A WINNER, I'M THE BEST, I'M GREATEST, I can spot a typo ...

Mich the Tester
23rd April 2010, 10:34
Very good. Feel better? Proud? A surge that says, I'm here, I've made it, THE WORLD IS MINE? The surge Nadal gets when he wins Wimbledon, Tiger wins the Masters, it says I AM A WINNER, I'M THE BEST, I'M GREATEST, I can spot a typo ...:spel shags a pornstar

fullyautomatix
23rd April 2010, 10:36
And sustain 20 fags, 12 cans of stella a day habit while ponsing around with their 3 kids called Chardonnay, Trent, and Kylie all of whom and under 5, have Nike's and iPhones.

Don't mind minimal food and shelter to survive. But it's taking the p1ss these days.

I work close to a town that has a high rate of benefit spongers. There was a good deal on an IPOD recently in the O2 shop and when I visited the shop in the town filled with chav mums the staff told me the stock ran out within an hour.

I then visited another shop in an affluent town and there were loads in stock.

I drew my own conclusions.

Ravello
23rd April 2010, 10:36
My position is: why should people suffer because of government policy? If the government is happy to bring lots of people in on cheap wages then why should the people who would otherwise do these jobs bother looking for work, and additional to that, why should they suffer a lower standard of living?

Are you sure it happened in that order? A lot of menial/unskilled work has been farmed out to foreigners as the local populace seem to think such roles are beneath them (or more likely they get more from playing "the system")...

threaded
23rd April 2010, 10:49
Are you sure it happened in that order? A lot of menial/unskilled work has been farmed out to foreigners as the local populace seem to think such roles are beneath them (or more likely they get more from playing "the system")...

Well, if you put it in that order then the government are even more to blame. It's a 'deus ex machina', they set a bar and make it not worthwhile for the locals to do the jobsbelow that level, and then use that as an excuse to bring in cheap labour. Move the bar a little higher, rinse, repeat. Eventually the government end up with a sizeable gerrymandered group who'll always vote for them.

HairyArsedBloke
23rd April 2010, 10:57
Very good. Feel better? Proud? A surge that says, I'm here, I've made it, THE WORLD IS MINE? The surge Nadal gets when he wins Wimbledon, Tiger wins the Masters, it says I AM A WINNER, I'M THE BEST, I'M GREATEST, I can spot a typo ...

He's a tester - he spots things like that for a living. :tongue

HairyArsedBloke
23rd April 2010, 11:09
If the social benefits are there and you qualify for them then you are only mugging yourself if you don't take them. Never be ashamed for having back some of what the government are all too keen of taking from you by force. (This is an aggregate 'you', not specifically any one individual)

Now, should those benefits be there - I don't believed that they should to the extent that they currently exist.

I also believe that there needs to be constraints on the near infinite supply of external workers.

There should be a lot more done to help those that are without work. This help needs to be tailored and practical. Idiotic plans such as driving people into deeper poverty so that low-paid work becomes relatively more attractive, or putting people on chain gangs picking up dog mess in the local park to ridicule them into taking a job, are devoid of any merit. How do they make anyone more desirable as a candidate to an employer?

lilelvis2000
23rd April 2010, 11:32
Big deal. I know a family where three of them are on benefits (mother, two daughters). One daughter has 5 kids and a husband we believe is working.
Anyway, each year they take a holiday for five weeks and own a holiday home where they holiday. So at an airfare of about £400 per person x 9 people plus the maintenence on the home.

The taxpayer - getting ripped off by the banks and by scrougers.

threaded
23rd April 2010, 11:35
Big deal. I know a family where three of them are on benefits (mother, two daughters). One daughter has 5 kids and a husband we believe is working.
Anyway, each year they take a holiday for five weeks and own a holiday home where they holiday. So at an airfare of about £400 per person x 9 people plus the maintenence on the home.

The taxpayer - getting ripped off by the banks and by scrougers.

I would suggest in the great scheme of things I'd rather double the money for scroungers than give it to the banks. It'd still work out cheaper by a large margin.

al_cam
23rd April 2010, 13:06
Until such time as we stop giving people money and start giving them food stamps etc so that all the state provides is food and a roof and NO luxuries you will not see anything change.


:yay:

Except give them a Tesco delivery - they will swap stamps for fags and booze and complain about the indignity of having to use stamps.

Also get them to turn up somewhere at 9:00 and 5:00 every week day or they don't get a delivery that day.

biggles_1
23rd April 2010, 13:40
What are they holidaying from?

Jeremy Kyle?

Surely everyone needs a break from that!

J.