English football - the Inquest.

[sasguru]

So what's to blame:

1. Capello tactics were naive
2. English players are brought up in a certain system and donb't have the wit to change
3. The players didn't like the discipline imposed on them (they should go and serve in Afghanistan)
4. The Premier League leaves the players knackered at the end of the season.
5. etc

[moorfield]

So what's to blame:

1. Capello tactics were naive
2. English players are brought up in a certain system and donb't have the wit to change
3. The players didn't like the discipline imposed on them (they should go and serve in Afghanistan)
4. The Premier League leaves the players knackered at the end of the season.
5. etc

England are sh*t, always have been, always will be.

That 1966 win was a fluke TBH. Probably would have been easier if that had never happened. Then they'd just be another mediocre side free of any burden of expectation. Like Scotland.

[DaveB]

So what's to blame:

1. We're tulip.

FTFY.

[Moscow Mule]

Is Manuel Neuer a cheat?

He must have known the ball crossed the line & yet carried on playing. Not very sportsmanlike at the least.

[d000hg]

Is Manuel Neuer a cheat?

He must have known the ball crossed the line & yet carried on playing. Not very sportsmanlike at the least.

I wondered that too. I don't have a video to hand, was he facing backwards when it crossed?

All the talk of "crap team", the defence was terrible but remember we did catch up to 2-2 from 2-0 which is hugely impressive. It's likely England would have lost anyway but it might have been a very high-scoring game if England were good forward but lame in defense... could have been an enthralling 5-4 loss which would have been OK. Losing to Germany, even in the first knockout game, is not a failure, if it had been a close result.

[Drewster]

Is Manuel Neuer a cheat?

He must have known the ball crossed the line & yet carried on playing. Not very sportsmanlike at the least.

Is he the Goalie?

If so then to be fair to him - I think he was the only person on the pitch with a reasonable defence that he "couldn't see it so couldn't be sure" (well possibly David James)....

[sasguru]

Then they'd just be another mediocre side free of any burden of expectation. .

Well they've certainly succeeded in freeing themselves of any expectations for the next couple of tournaments

[sasguru]

Is Manuel Neuer a cheat?

He must have known the ball crossed the line & yet carried on playing. Not very sportsmanlike at the least.

He knew. He quicly retrieved the ball facing backwards and carried on playing. Don't blame him though, any goalie would have done the same

[Moscow Mule]

Don't blame him though, any goalie would have done the same

And that, right there, is what is wrong with football. Cheating is endemic - so much so that fans don't think it's wrong anymore.

[gingerjedi]

England are sh*t, always have been, always will be.

That 1966 win was a fluke TBH. Probably would have been easier if that had never happened. Then they'd just be another mediocre side free of any burden of expectation. Like Scotland.

Scotland, mediocre? They ain't that good.

Any of you that watch football week in week out would know that on another day a few of those chances would have gone in and maybe some of the Germans wouldn't and all would be rosy in media land despite the obvious cracks. England went into this tournament knowing the defence wasn't at full strength and that we'd have to patch things up and just try and score more than we let in.

Losing the captain just a couple of weeks before the start was a huge psychological blow, Rooney more than anyone seems to have collapsed under the extra burden put upon him.