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    Football fans, an uninformed opinion for you

    Perhaps it’s time to accept that English football just doesn’t have the talent to compete at the highest level. I’m going to be very un-PC here and say that most of the best young sportspeople in England are private school kids. That’s not because of some inborn athletic ability, but because private schools have the sports pitches, the facilities and the daily games and/or PE lessons that state school kids are missing. It’s not just in sport that private school and grammar school kids dominate; music seems to show a similar picture. The most successful recording artists tend to come from private or grammar schools, for the simple reason that they get daily singing sessions in the morning and have access to music instruction from an early age.

    Unlike rugby, rowing, athletics, track cycling, yachting and other sports where Britain and indeed England succeed at the top level, football seems to be a bastion of the ‘working class’. The English players who do come through and play at foreign dominated clubs are the few who’ve had either the luck to have parents who’ve encouraged them and taken them to football clubs or are the rare gifted ones who grew up kicking a ball in the streets; I have a lot of admiration for sportspeople who can succeed with very little resources or coaching as a child, but the reality is that most can’t, and the myth of Brazilian and Argentinian kids growing up playing on the streets is exactly that; most of those players are middle class kids who grew up playing sports at school; at least in Argentina, where I’ve seen things myself, school sports provision is actually generally very good.

    It seems to me that football is just not attracting the most talented young sportspeople. Talented sportspeople are often capable of succeeding in any sport; they have superior hand/foot-eye coordination and a natural athleticism and ‘trainability’. If those gifted young sportspeople, and there are undoubtedly enough of them, choose their specialist sport in their late teens, why would they choose football, other than for the money that the very few who get into a foreign dominated club can earn? They could play rugby with a real chance of winning a world cup, go rowing or running with a real chance of an Olympic gold, or indeed cycling? Money only motivates sportspeople who are already motivated to become successful; it doesn’t motivate a young teenager to spend every bit of spare time practicing his skills to reach the top. If it did, Jonny Wilkinson would have played football for England.

    I saw a little of yesterday’s game, and not being a footie expert, what struck me very quickly (aside from the remarkable eyesight condition of linesman and ref) was that the England players seemed slow and laboured each time the Germans broke away to score; England’s defenders were quite simply not fast enough to get back into position in time; you don’t train that in at age 20-odd, you get fast when you’re a child.

    If you want England to win football world cups, it’s time to give young state school kids their playing fields back.
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    Perhaps it’s time to accept that English football just doesn’t have the talent to compete at the highest level. I’m going to be very un-PC here and say that most of the best young sportspeople in England are private school kids. That’s not because of some inborn athletic ability, but because private schools have the sports pitches, the facilities and the daily games and/or PE lessons that state school kids are missing. It’s not just in sport that private school and grammar school kids dominate; music seems to show a similar picture. The most successful recording artists tend to come from private or grammar schools, for the simple reason that they get daily singing sessions in the morning and have access to music instruction from an early age.

    Unlike rugby, rowing, athletics, track cycling, yachting and other sports where Britain and indeed England succeed at the top level, football seems to be a bastion of the ‘working class’. The English players who do come through and play at foreign dominated clubs are the few who’ve had either the luck to have parents who’ve encouraged them and taken them to football clubs or are the rare gifted ones who grew up kicking a ball in the streets; I have a lot of admiration for sportspeople who can succeed with very little resources or coaching as a child, but the reality is that most can’t, and the myth of Brazilian and Argentinian kids growing up playing on the streets is exactly that; most of those players are middle class kids who grew up playing sports at school; at least in Argentina, where I’ve seen things myself, school sports provision is actually generally very good.

    It seems to me that football is just not attracting the most talented young sportspeople. Talented sportspeople are often capable of succeeding in any sport; they have superior hand/foot-eye coordination and a natural athleticism and ‘trainability’. If those gifted young sportspeople, and there are undoubtedly enough of them, choose their specialist sport in their late teens, why would they choose football, other than for the money that the very few who get into a foreign dominated club can earn? They could play rugby with a real chance of winning a world cup, go rowing or running with a real chance of an Olympic gold, or indeed cycling? Money only motivates sportspeople who are already motivated to become successful; it doesn’t motivate a young teenager to spend every bit of spare time practicing his skills to reach the top. If it did, Jonny Wilkinson would have played football for England.

    I saw a little of yesterday’s game, and not being a footie expert, what struck me very quickly (aside from the remarkable eyesight condition of linesman and ref) was that the England players seemed slow and laboured each time the Germans broke away to score; England’s defenders were quite simply not fast enough to get back into position in time; you don’t train that in at age 20-odd, you get fast when you’re a child.

    If you want England to win football world cups, it’s time to give young state school kids their playing fields back.

    Well said.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
      If you want England to win football world cups, it’s time to give young state school kids their playing fields back.
      Good luck with that - they've built houses on the lot of em!

      Otherwise, well said.
      ‎"See, you think I give a tulip. Wrong. In fact, while you talk, I'm thinking; How can I give less of a tulip? That's why I look interested."

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        #4
        Originally posted by Moscow Mule View Post
        Good luck with that - they've built houses on the lot of em!

        Otherwise, well said.
        Perhaps it’s an opportunity for the top English football ‘clubs’ to do something for their communities by joining forces with other sports organizations to provide the facilities that kids need. No partisan provision of football pitches by football clubs wanting football talent, or rugby clubs wanting rugby talent, but genuine local partnerships to provide the sporting opportunities to all kids for all sports; the kids will choose their sport when the time comes. What about putting into every professional player’s contract a requirement to put a certain number of hours each month into coaching young local kids on the club’s pitches? Open coaching sessions, not just a session for the few kids who are playing for a club’s youth team.

        So, football fans, here’s the challenge; get English kids from all classes and backgrounds playing your game, and getting coaching from the best footballers. Otherwise watch your game shrivel and die, and be subjected to another 44 years of watching the Germans win.
        And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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          #5
          Originally posted by Mustang View Post
          Well said.
          WHS

          Golden Generation !

          more like

          Golden Shower

          even that would be too good for them.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
            Perhaps it’s an opportunity for the top English football ‘clubs’ to do something for their communities by joining forces with other sports organizations to provide the facilities that kids need. No partisan provision of football pitches by football clubs wanting football talent, or rugby clubs wanting rugby talent, but genuine local partnerships to provide the sporting opportunities to all kids for all sports; the kids will choose their sport when the time comes. What about putting into every professional player’s contract a requirement to put a certain number of hours each month into coaching young local kids on the club’s pitches? Open coaching sessions, not just a session for the few kids who are playing for a club’s youth team.

            So, football fans, here’s the challenge; get English kids from all classes and backgrounds playing your game, and getting coaching from the best footballers. Otherwise watch your game shrivel and die, and be subjected to another 44 years of watching the Germans win.
            Can you imagine how an intelligent person/player would be treated by fellow players, management and fans though? Like a leper I bet.

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              #7
              Frank Lampard when to private school.
              Cats are evil.

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                #8
                Originally posted by swamp View Post
                Frank Lampard when to private school.
                And he's probably the best of the lot of them.
                And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                  #9
                  You point out that the Germans were faster, they were, and fitter, they are but this is not down to the sport they have in school. Schools here have basically bugger all in the way of sport facilities, for example my son does not do football at school and when he did then it was just 5 a side indoors. They do go in for sports which are held indoors a lot but they still don't do as much as English schoolkids do, possibly (I only know what I did at school and that was a hell of a lot of sport.) What they do have is a lot of after school and weekend sports where the parents will take them and support them. A number of my friend's children play in various leagues in the area and when I look at the start of the season of how many teams and leagues there are it doesn't surprise me that the Germans were better. Even in other sports they do this, here in Darmstadt we have a rugby and cricket club which are both well supported (Frankfurt even has a womens one) and that is probably the difference. Although I think German parents are pretty useless they're not as useless as the majority of English parents and support their children. Maybe if English parents got off their backsides and instead of watching the sport on the flatscreen actually went out and did it with their kids then there wouldn't be this dearth of good English sportspeople (not everyone in the UK is like that I'll admit but many are.)
                  Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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                    #10
                    You lot should read the book "Why England Lose" by Simon Kuper et. al.
                    It does say that one of the reasons for the poor showing of the footy team over the years is that it is traditionally a working class game and has been run by thickos.
                    Hard Brexit now!
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