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Gibbon
7th July 2010, 07:17
BBC - Have Your Say: Is competition for graduate jobs too tough? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/07/is_competition_for_graduate_jo.html)

"I'm still a student and haven't graduated yet. This reminds me of something that I and my university friends discuss quite a lot- what is the best degree mark to get?

They say that;

If you get a first, you may not be considered for a job, because you are thought to not have had a good enough social life at university and may not be great at socialising.

If you get a 2:1 this is "just right", because it shows you can work, but that you aren't a fuddy duddy (excuse the phrase).

If you get a 2:2 it's supposed to show that you can do the work, haven't, and subsequently haven't gotten a 2:1- you might get considered if you're lucky.

And if you get a third? We never really discussed that option...

This is an issue which a lot of undergrads are worried about, I can assure you. "



FFS bedwetting thickos.

Although if if only have an HND you will be stigmatised and only be fit to write software for most of the major aerospace projects in the UK.

threaded
7th July 2010, 07:23
Although if if only have an HND you will be stigmatised and only be fit to write software for most of the georeturn projects in the UK.

:spel

FTFY

Joe90
7th July 2010, 07:54
I got myself a 2:1 last week, and I'm rather happy to say that I walked into my first contract within 24 hours of leaving uni.

I've heard that about first before though, the whole 'no social life' thing, and I wasn't far off a first. imo its BS, if an employer thought I had no social life they hadn't read my CV beyond my grade!

gingerjedi
7th July 2010, 08:13
Graduates are needed throughout the British and western economies as we have to learn to compete with a much more enlarged and economically active world. China and India are now churning out graduates in their millions

The worlds economies are simply not big enough to accommodate everyone who wants a decent life, things were much easier before the turd world started educating people.:eyes

threaded
7th July 2010, 08:16
The worlds economies are simply not big enough to accommodate everyone who wants a decent life, things were much easier before the turd world started educating people.:eyes

There's way more than enough for everyone to have a decent life. It is just that many in the west want way more than enough just for themselves.

gingerjedi
7th July 2010, 08:21
There's way more than enough for everyone to have a decent life. It is just that many in the west want way more than enough just for themselves.

Maybe a maximum of 1 Lambo per household would be a start. :tongue

doodab
7th July 2010, 08:24
Just fail, it's much easier.

OwlHoot
7th July 2010, 08:39
but that you aren't a fuddy duddy (excuse the phrase).

Do right-on students consider the phrase "fuddy duddy" non-PC these days? :confused:

Maybe it's insulting to duddies, or condescending and sexist to fummy mummies. :eyes

Joe90
7th July 2010, 08:44
Do right-on students consider the phrase "fuddy duddy" non-PC these days? :confused

To be honest I don't know what it means. Must be from before my time :/

xoggoth
7th July 2010, 09:49
But those of us who got a first can look down on and SNEER at other people. What else matters?

moorfield
7th July 2010, 09:52
But those of us who got a first can look down on and SNEER at other people. What else matters?

:spel

double first


now get back in your box

:p

Gibbon
7th July 2010, 09:53
But those of us who got a first can look down on and SNEER at other people. What else matters?

Ah but does getting a first lower your chances of seducing a huge bottom ?

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 10:28
I got myself a 2:1 last week, and I'm rather happy to say that I walked into my first contract within 24 hours of leaving uni.

I've heard that about first before though, the whole 'no social life' thing, and I wasn't far off a first. imo its BS, if an employer thought I had no social life they hadn't read my CV beyond my grade!

You put your "Social Life" on your CV?

'kin amateur.

MarillionFan
7th July 2010, 10:31
But those of us who got a first can look down on and SNEER at other people. What else matters?

I always found that those who gots firsts had absolutely no friends and absolutely no social skills whatsoever.

And then you find yourself working in IT. Classic. :rollin:

bobhope
7th July 2010, 10:33
Isn't that because you only have a 3rd class degree in Tat Selling?

thunderlizard
7th July 2010, 10:36
"Is competition for graduate jobs too tough?"

what the heck kind of question is that? Do they think there is a Government Office of Graduate Job Competition Toughness which has got too big for its boots and fixed the Competition Toughness Index at a punitive 4.5?

Joe90
7th July 2010, 10:43
You put your "Social Life" on your CV?

'kin amateur.

haha, no. but my mention of sporting success at university should give away a social aspect to life!

OwlHoot
7th July 2010, 11:03
I always found that those who gots firsts had absolutely no friends and absolutely no social skills whatsoever.

And then you find yourself working in IT. Classic. :rollin:

Suppose someone with a first was worried that potential employers/clients would assume they were antisocial uber-geeks.

Would they get into trouble if they were caught fibbing by claiming only a 2.2 on their CV. :tongue

thunderlizard
7th July 2010, 11:18
haha, no. but my mention of sporting success at university should give away a social aspect to life!

Are your Duke of Edinburgh's Award and swimming badges on there too?

threaded
7th July 2010, 11:20
Are your Duke of Edinburgh's Award and swimming badges on there too?

Mine are!

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 11:20
Are your Duke of Edinburgh's Award and swimming badges on there too?

I bet he's got "IAM" on there too. I make a point of chucking those CVs in the bin.

Joe90
7th July 2010, 11:24
Are your Duke of Edinburgh's Award and swimming badges on there too?

afraid I had to remove them when I added my Harry Ramsden's Challenge! :(

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 11:25
afraid I had to remove them when I added my Harry Ramsden's Challenge! :(

Bloody hell, a fat bastard! I didn't know Sumo was a recognised sport at University in this country.

threaded
7th July 2010, 11:28
I bet he's got "IAM" on there too. I make a point of chucking those CVs in the bin.

Oh that reminds me: I haven't put that I've now got 'Super Truck' on.

Joe90
7th July 2010, 11:28
Bloody hell, a fat bastard! I didn't know Sumo was a recognised sport at University in this country.

you can do almost anything at university these days you know! especially at a polly!

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 11:34
you can do almost anything at university these days you know! especially at a polly!

Poly - Shirley. What did you study btw?

Joe90
7th July 2010, 11:59
need some more ammunition?

Interactive Media with Animation.

thunderlizard
7th July 2010, 12:04
=talking and waving your arms about?

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 12:06
need some more ammunition?

Interactive Media with Animation.

Nope, just trying to find a reason for your abysmal English.

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:07
with a bit of web dev, after effects & 3Ds Max.


Nope, just trying to find a reason for your abysmal English.
fair point.

shaunbhoy
7th July 2010, 12:08
Interactive Media with Animation.

Just out of interest, where did you study that?

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:12
Just out of interest, where did you study that?

Sheffield Hallam.

minestrone
7th July 2010, 12:13
Right, who owns this sockie?

Moscow Mule
7th July 2010, 12:13
Interactive Media with Animation.

So you haven't really got a contract where you're your own boss and could make a loss, but you've got a fixed term permie job?

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:16
I wouldn't call it a permie - its certainly short contract work based on project availability at the moment. But after a month I wouldn't quite say I feel like I'm my own boss yet.

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 12:19
I wouldn't call it a permie - its certainly short contract work based on project availability at the moment. But after a month I wouldn't quite say I feel like I'm my own boss yet.

Dry behind your ears boy. You're doing just fine.

sasguru
7th July 2010, 12:20
This is either a sockie or a complete donkey. Which is it?

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 12:22
This is either a sockie or a complete donkey. Which is it?

Oh hello, the smell of fresh blood has reached Sasguru...

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:22
One thing I can say already, its better than a permie and I'm a fan of the uncertainty/opportunity that the future holds. I'd always wanted to be self employed but until recently didn't realise it would be this easy (to get into). I'd always thought I'd be destined to the same office job for years!

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 12:24
One thing I can say already, its better than a permie and I'm a fan of the uncertainty/opportunity that the future holds. I'd always wanted to be self employed but until recently didn't realise it would be this easy (to get into). I'd always thought I'd be destined to the same office job for years!

Do you like films about Gladiators?

Gibbon
7th July 2010, 12:25
One thing I can say already, its better than a permie and I'm a fan of the uncertainty/opportunity that the future holds. I'd always wanted to be self employed but until recently didn't realise it would be this easy (to get into). I'd always thought I'd be destined to the same office job for years!

Don't worry that will come, different office same shit day in day out. :suicide:

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:26
I believe thats been covered; http://forums.contractoruk.com/welcome-faqs/57566-afternoon.html

SupremeSpod
7th July 2010, 12:28
I believe thats been covered; http://forums.contractoruk.com/welcome-faqs/57566-afternoon.html

Apologies but they don't allow the likes of me into the "Professional" part of the forum. :D

Moscow Mule
7th July 2010, 12:31
Are you paid directly by the animation co? If yes, then you're working on a fixed term employment contract like 90% of the animators out there. My mate was a lead animator on Clash of the Titans (to name his latest work), but still has to deal with that kind of crappy working arrangement.

Good luck.

Where's the job & what's it on?

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:35
thanks. I'm paid by my brolly co so by my understanding that'd be 'proper' contract work.
I'm not actually in animation. I'm doin e-learning on a gov contract, around Manchester way.

rsingh
7th July 2010, 12:37
...I'm doin e-learning on a gov contract, around Manchester way.

<Snip Snip Snip>

Is that the sound of government cuts that I hear? I'm glad you like the uncertainty, you'll get plenty of it.

rsingh
7th July 2010, 12:38
thanks. I'm paid by my brolly co so by my understanding that'd be 'proper' contract work.

Your understanding is probably wrong.

minestrone
7th July 2010, 12:40
This is either a sockie or a complete donkey. Which is it?


Stinks of AtW, so both.

Joe90
7th July 2010, 12:41
<Snip Snip Snip>

Is that the sound of government cuts that I hear? I'm glad you like the uncertainty, you'll get plenty of it.
Yeah, I think that will be the reason I'm still on a short term contract. The co I'm contracted to are waiting for the all clear to go ahead with further work.


Your understanding is probably wrong.
after a month, I'm sure it is!