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Troll
12th July 2010, 11:02
Probation watchdog: serious crimes may be price to pay for cutting cost of justice
Murders and other serious crimes committed by prisoners released early from jail may have to be “accepted” by the public as part of attempts to keep down the cost of the criminal justice system, the probation watchdog suggested.


tough on crime (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7884501/Probation-watchdog-serious-crimes-may-be-price-to-pay-for-cutting-cost-of-justice.html)

Since when does the probation watchdog make policy?

SupremeSpod
12th July 2010, 11:13
Probation watchdog: serious crimes may be price to pay for cutting cost of justice
Murders and other serious crimes committed by prisoners released early from jail may have to be “accepted” by the public as part of attempts to keep down the cost of the criminal justice system, the probation watchdog suggested.


tough on crime (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7884501/Probation-watchdog-serious-crimes-may-be-price-to-pay-for-cutting-cost-of-justice.html)

Since when does the probation watchdog make policy?

0/10 - fail.

Troll
12th July 2010, 11:16
0/10 - fail.

G ..

SupremeSpod
12th July 2010, 11:20
G ..


Nope. Without G

thunderlizard
12th July 2010, 12:10
It would be awful to be murdered in, say, 2011 by an early released prisoner. I would much prefer to be murdered in 2013 after the prisoner had served his full sentence.

original PM
12th July 2010, 14:06
we could cut costs by not releasing them early but by making prison more like well a prison and not a like a firkin holiday camp.

Not So Wise
12th July 2010, 14:50
Flame bait headline because does it really make any real difference if they kill someone today or 18 days later when they should have been released? (except to poor sod on receiving end obviously, he would have liked the 18 days extra I guess)

Questions really should be:

Why are high risk criminal's being released at all?
Why is prison not working?
What really needs to be done to reform criminal's at best, just deter them from reoffending at worst?

Personally think problem is two things,

First society cannot agree on if prison meant to be just a punishment or if it’s meant to punish and reform people
Second, if it is meant to reform/deter, society cannot accept that just taking a career criminal out of circulation for a while (and putting him with a bunch of criminals to “feed the monster”) and then dumping him back exactly where he was before (or in worse situation), will not, in vast majority of cases reform the individual in anyway.

More creative and individualistic planning is required to not only determine what went wrong with the person in the first place, but on how to fix it

And with the few remaining unreformable psychopaths? toss them on some tropical island equipped with loads of video cams and let them sort each other out Battle Royal style

ads1980
12th July 2010, 14:57
What was wrong with sending them to Australia like we used to!?:laugh

OwlHoot
12th July 2010, 15:04
If they're willing to tolerate the risk of more innocent people being killed by prisoners released early, why aren't they willing to restore the death penalty and tolerate the even smaller risk of the occasional innocent person being topped?

Or is this proposal craftily laying the ground for exactly that argument?

AlfredJPruffock
12th July 2010, 15:06
Its all relative.

Whom is the biggest Criminal ?

The person who robs the bank ?

OR


The person who owns the bank ?

doodab
12th July 2010, 15:07
Questions really should be:

Why are high risk criminal's being released at all?
Why is prison not working?
What really needs to be done to reform criminal's at best, just deter them from reoffending at worst?



Personally I think society should be striving to avoid creating these dysfunctional people
in the first place.

NotAllThere
12th July 2010, 15:08
Government proposes cuts. Organisation that's getting less money (or getting a smaller increase than expected), explains how this will now cause the end of civilization.

Nothing to see. Move along.

SupremeSpod
12th July 2010, 15:22
Government proposes cuts. Organisation that's getting less money (or getting a smaller increase than expected), explains how this will now cause the end of civilization.

Nothing to see. Move along.

Before we move on, I'd just like to remind the congregation that it was the previous "Labour" Government that got us into this mess in the first place.

Spod - In "Public Service Broadcast" mode!

AlfredJPruffock
12th July 2010, 15:33
Before we move on, I'd just like to remind the congregation that it was the previous "Labour" Government that got us into this mess in the first place.

Spod - In "Public Service Broadcast" mode!


Not so - its was New Labour that got us into this mess.

Would never have happened with Old Labour.

Prisoner Zero and all that jazz.

Or was it the Bankers - or was it a Tuesday - ah what the hell.

Socialism ? Capitalism ? Socialism ? Capitalism ? Socialism ? Capitalism ? Sociali ssszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

SupremeSpod
13th July 2010, 06:45
Not so - its was New Labour that got us into this mess.

Would never have happened with Old Labour.

Prisoner Zero and all that jazz.

Or was it the Bankers - or was it a Tuesday - ah what the hell.

Socialism ? Capitalism ? Socialism ? Capitalism ? Socialism ? Capitalism ? Sociali ssszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I stand corrected. It was indeed "New Labour". It was "Old Labour" that got us into the previous mess.

xoggoth
13th July 2010, 09:12
Everything is about balance between risks and costs. If figures quoted are correct, balance may be about right. There's no such things as "only money", everything we spend on that is less to spend on something else.

PS Explosive collars linked to big panic buttons on the chest that the public can press if threatened.

AlfredJPruffock
13th July 2010, 12:01
Everything is about balance between risks and costs. If figures quoted are correct, balance may be about right. There's no such things as "only money", everything we spend on that is less to spend on something else.

PS Explosive collars linked to big panic buttons on the chest that the public can press if threatened.

I'm with Xoggoth on this one - except the panic buttons solution I find - a tad too liberal - too wishy washy - call me old fashioned - but whats wrong with an Iron Coffin - with spikes on the inside ?

Paddy
13th July 2010, 12:48
I'm with Xoggoth on this one - except the panic buttons solution I find - a tad too liberal - too wishy washy - call me old fashioned - but whats wrong with an Iron Coffin - with spikes on the inside ?

There's a few interesting points in using that.