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HJacks
16th July 2010, 12:41
Hello everyone,

I co-own an IT company in Manchester which specialises in hire of IT and presentation equipment for corporate use and also software development with my sister (the latter is something we have just branched out into due to a couple of new software experts in our team). I would like to get to chat here with anyone else in the business and also to ask advice on a pressing issue.

It is my sister and I that do the book-keeping and payroll in and I have been struggling for a while with payroll software. Ridiculous as we are now specialists in software. I feel unqualified to use it in the sense that when something doesn't add up then I don't know where it has gone wrong. Holiday pay is one area where we have struggled to keep up and employees have complained about mistakes. Also I have overpaid several employees in the last year and then had to all them into the office to ask them for the money back and this has caused some bad feeling. All this is down to our payroll 'system'. I am not sure whether I should invest in new and much better software such as Sage or I should turn outsourced payroll services.

I have been looking at this company - Ceridian but am unsure whether our number of employees warrants outsourcing. We have thirty staff members who are all valuable and worry that we will lose them if we do not pay them properly all of the time.

Please, does anyone have any ideas and can you tell me about your experiences? Sorry if I have not put this pist in an appropriate place.

Thank you

DS23
16th July 2010, 15:54
welcome. don't know what the costs are but clearly it will be very expensive to your company if you continue to fail the payroll. either get a grip on the software (at the expense of other stuff no doubt) or hire someone to get a grip of it for you. outsourcing might be the way to go but i think you need to understand where you are and where you'd like to go before selecting a solution that may not fit. try and apply the logic you apply to your customers requests for stuff to your own internal needs?

sasguru
16th July 2010, 16:16
The bunch of disguised employees masquerading as business people that constitutes CUK is unlikely to have much experience with payroll software :laugh:laugh

HTH

doodab
16th July 2010, 16:46
My experience of SAGE (instant accounts and payroll, which I bought when I decided to do my own accounts a few years ago) is that you need to have a solid grasp of accounting and payroll to understand what the software does and even begin to set it up. I gave up on it as I found it far too complex for my one man company.

Certainly seems it would be better for all concerned if you were free to concentrate on running the business. Personally in your position I would outsource or hire someone.

Paddy
16th July 2010, 17:29
Hello everyone,

I co-own an IT company in Manchester which specialises in hire of IT and presentation equipment for corporate use and also software development with my sister (the latter is something we have just branched out into due to a couple of new software experts in our team). I would like to get to chat here with anyone else in the business and also to ask advice on a pressing issue.

It is my sister and I that do the book-keeping and payroll in and I have been struggling for a while with payroll software. Ridiculous as we are now specialists in software. I feel unqualified to use it in the sense that when something doesn't add up then I don't know where it has gone wrong. Holiday pay is one area where we have struggled to keep up and employees have complained about mistakes. Also I have overpaid several employees in the last year and then had to all them into the office to ask them for the money back and this has caused some bad feeling. All this is down to our payroll 'system'. I am not sure whether I should invest in new and much better software such as Sage or I should turn outsourced payroll services.

I have been looking at this company - Ceridian but am unsure whether our number of employees warrants outsourcing. We have thirty staff members who are all valuable and worry that we will lose them if we do not pay them properly all of the time.

Please, does anyone have any ideas and can you tell me about your experiences? Sorry if I have not put this pist in an appropriate place.

Thank you

Outsource to an account or payroll company. It used to be easy to calculate but not theses days. Spend your time on what you are best at eg: Marketing etc and leave what you are not good at to the professionals

shaunbhoy
16th July 2010, 18:17
Hello everyone,

I co-own an IT company in Manchester which specialises in hire of IT and presentation equipment for corporate use and also software development with my sister (the latter is something we have just branched out into due to a couple of new software experts in our team). I would like to get to chat here with anyone else in the business and also to ask advice on a pressing issue.

It is my sister and I that do the book-keeping and payroll in and I have been struggling for a while with payroll software. Ridiculous as we are now specialists in software. I feel unqualified to use it in the sense that when something doesn't add up then I don't know where it has gone wrong. Holiday pay is one area where we have struggled to keep up and employees have complained about mistakes. Also I have overpaid several employees in the last year and then had to all them into the office to ask them for the money back and this has caused some bad feeling. All this is down to our payroll 'system'. I am not sure whether I should invest in new and much better software such as Sage or I should turn outsourced payroll services.

I have been looking at this company - Ceridian but am unsure whether our number of employees warrants outsourcing. We have thirty staff members who are all valuable and worry that we will lose them if we do not pay them properly all of the time.

Please, does anyone have any ideas and can you tell me about your experiences? Sorry if I have not put this pist in an appropriate place.

Thank you

You appear to be a freeloading sponger that does not "add value" to the overall process. Why not consider outsourcing your "input" to Terry Turban, and go back to where your real "talent" is embedded.................double glazing!

HTH

Zippy
16th July 2010, 18:28
You appear to be a freeloading sponger that does not "add value" to the overall process. Why not consider outsourcing your "input" to Terry Turban, and go back to where your real "talent" is embedded.................double glazing!

HTH

Unnecessary, I feel.

shaunbhoy
16th July 2010, 18:38
Unnecessary, I feel.

Maybe............but I am a bit pissed. Think I will retire for the night.

TTFN

:music:

Zippy
16th July 2010, 18:45
Maybe............but I am a bit pissed. Think I will retire for the night.

TTFN

:music:

Fair enough :wave:

MarillionFan
16th July 2010, 19:03
Maybe............but I am a bit pissed. Think I will retire for the night.

TTFN

:music:

To be honest. I think you were spot on. Don't let that freeloading, trouble making bitch make you feel guilty!!!

You know she's more popular than you don't you????

She PM'd me that. :nerd

Troll
16th July 2010, 19:24
You know she's more popular than you don't you????

She PM'd me that. :nerdA turd in a swimming pool would be more popular than shaunbhoy

shaunbhoy
16th July 2010, 19:28
A turd in a swimming pool would be more popular than shaunbhoy

Indeed. But it would still be infinitely more popular than you, you loathsome spotted reptile.

HTH

:laugh

Troll
16th July 2010, 19:29
:p

MarillionFan
16th July 2010, 19:36
A turd in a swimming pool would be more popular than shaunbhoy

I don't know about more popular Troll.

It would be funnier than SB though.

shaunbhoy
16th July 2010, 19:42
I don't know about more popular Troll.

It would be funnier than SB though.

Oh just get the round in and stop faffing about you big girl's blouse!!

You are getting more in need of nocturnal bed-embellishments with every passing day!!

:laugh

Soon we will have to be calling you "Dorothy"!!

explorer
16th July 2010, 20:45
It is my sister and I that do the book-keeping and payroll in and I have been struggling for a while with payroll software. Ridiculous as we are now specialists in software. I feel unqualified to use it in the sense that when something doesn't add up then I don't know where it has gone wrong. Holiday pay is one area where we have struggled to keep up and employees have complained about mistakes.


your current issues with the payroll seem to stem from your unfamiliarity with the usage of the software. Surely, you must be able to give a call to the vendor (assuming they are still in business), asking to send someone for a detailed explanation/demo of the features of their product..You can hold the vendor rep with you, until you are reasonably confident with the usage of this product..Might have to pay for this though, depending on the terms of the license and support (if you have any).

Cliphead
16th July 2010, 21:15
A turd in a swimming pool would be more popular than shaunbhoy

And more intelligent than yourself by far...

MarillionFan
16th July 2010, 21:22
And more intelligent than yourself by far...

Evening CH. You're back I see after an absence.

You've been kicked out of your latest old peoples home for flashing the nurses again haven't you?:rolleyes:

Cliphead
16th July 2010, 21:24
Evening CH. You're back I see after an absence.

You've been kicked out of your latest old peoples home for ******** the nurses again haven't you?:rolleyes:

:spel

HTH

MarillionFan
16th July 2010, 21:28
:spel

HTH

Thanks god for the blue pill!:wink

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/30/weekinreview/30word.xlarge1.jpg

Cliphead
16th July 2010, 21:32
Thanks god for the Prep H!:wink

:spel

suityou01
16th July 2010, 22:12
To be honest. I think you were spot on. Don't let that freeloading, trouble making bitch make you feel guilty!!!

You know she's more popular than you don't you????


She PM'd me that. :nerd

Do not diss the zips. Ever. :mad

HTH :D

MarillionFan
16th July 2010, 22:26
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Zippy
16th July 2010, 22:56
Do not diss the zips. Ever. :mad

HTH :D

Leave it Suity he aint worf it. He werent talkin about me anyway. Innit MF??

cojak
17th July 2010, 08:45
I should have moved this to the newbies forum when I 1st noticed it. Too late now.

As it is he now knows what to expect when he posts in General...

:o

xoggoth
17th July 2010, 18:28
Can't really help with accounts/payroll for a company big enough to have employees but also run a business with my sister. I sympathise.

MarillionFan
17th July 2010, 19:59
Leave it Suity he aint worf it. He werent talkin about me anyway. Innit MF??

Yes I was!

Shaunbhoy and I know what you're doing. Not nice. Not nice at all.

You ain't no Mother Theresa!!!

Zippy
17th July 2010, 20:46
Yes I was!

Shaunbhoy and I know what you're doing. Not nice. Not nice at all.

You ain't no Mother Theresa!!!

Well, I'm not Catholic and I'm not very good with the poor if that's what you mean?

SupremeSpod
19th July 2010, 07:28
Does anyone else think the OP is spamming?

lukemg
19th July 2010, 09:55
Usual bizarre and unrelated drivel being added by the self obsessed on here. Anyway, presuming OP is serious and has managed to build a business to this level of complexity with barely a clue about business process, I would advise you to employ a part-time book-keeper, there are tons of small businesses that do this. I would prefer this to faceless payroll co.
Lots of semi-retired or part-time people with the skills would do a few hours a week, deal with queries, check all the payments etc.
Alternatively, only employ contractors/temps and ‘outsource’ this element to agencies, also enables rapid expansion/contraction as business dictates.