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Lucifer Box
2nd February 2006, 15:00
Hundreds demonstrated in Pakistan on Thursday, chanting "Death to Denmark" and burning Danish and French flags.

Palestinian gunmen briefly surrounded EU offices in Gaza to demand an apology over the cartoons.

Norway has closed its mission in the West Bank to the public in response to threats from two militant groups against Norwegians, French and Danes.

Hundreds of students demonstrated in the Pakistani cities of Lahore and Multan, burning flags and effigies of the Danish prime minister.

The offices of Jyllands-Posten had to be evacuated on Tuesday because of a bomb threat.

In Beirut, the leader of Lebanon’s Shiite Hizbollah said the dispute would never had occurred if a 17-year-old death edict against British writer Salman Rushdie been carried out. “Had a Muslim carried out Imam Khomeini’s fatwa against the apostate Salman Rushdie, then those low-lifers would not have dared discredit the Prophet, not in Denmark, Norway or France,” Hizbollah head Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah said on Wednesday night.

Must be a bummer for Danish exports of bacon and beer.

wobbegong
2nd February 2006, 15:20
Forget your "plan B's", the smart money is in a chain of flag retailers with branches throughout the Middle East.

threaded
2nd February 2006, 15:23
Must be a bummer for Danish exports of bacon and beer.
ROFLMFAO

Darn, I've working really hard on a good joke about this, and I shall now give up as I can't top that one.

wobbegong
2nd February 2006, 15:26
When you think about it; bacon, beer and porn, why would Muslims emigrate to Denmark in the first place?

Lucifer Box
2nd February 2006, 15:35
ROFLMFAO

Darn, I've working really hard on a good joke about this, and I shall now give up as I can't top that one.
Please accept my humble apologies.

threaded
2nd February 2006, 17:02
My best so far had been:
They ought to put these 12 pictures up in the kommune offices, maybe they'll then boycott collecting the dole.
:freaky:

AlfredJPruffock
2nd February 2006, 17:34
Hundreds of students demonstrated in the Pakistani cities of Lahore and Multan, burning flags and effigies of the Danish prime minister.

I think the above is a misprint, it ought to have read the Iranian Cities of Tehran and erm ...Fatwah.

Yes now that is much better,oh and they also chanted Iran for the World Cup, Booby Moore is gay, England have no chance and Posh takes it up the ...no its too vile to repeat.

Dont you just wanna bomb Iran now ?

Lucifer Box
2nd February 2006, 18:02
On BBC London radio's phone in slot this morning, a gent called Abdul called in to vent his fury at the apostasy and corruption of the decadent west (he lived in Ealing). He said that life was a very serious matter and that joking (about anything) should not be tolerated. When asked what should be done to anyone that told a joke he said he "didn't want to get into all that".

Good old Abdul. Bet he's the life and soul of the party (as long as it's non-alcoholic punch and sans sausage rolls, of course).

Lucifer Box
2nd February 2006, 18:37
EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson also criticised the European papers which re-ran the cartoons, saying they were "throwing petrol onto the flames of the original issue and the original offence that was taken".
Still, I suppose you can't expect one of the architects of New Labour to be bothered about small things like freedom of speech. At least the staff on France Soir have got some balls, unlike that weasly little shite.

Fungus
2nd February 2006, 19:10
Still, I suppose you can't expect one of the architects of New Labour to be bothered about small things like freedom of speech. At least the staff on France Soir have got some balls, unlike that weasly little shite.

And he wanted us to give up our EU rebate. But then again, were the Muslins to know what he did with his bottom, he would be burnt. How do I tell them?

Mordac
2nd February 2006, 19:33
>Posh takes it up the ...

Arsenal?

Lucifer Box
2nd February 2006, 21:35
And he wanted us to give up our EU rebate. But then again, were the Muslins to know what he did with his bottom, he would be burnt. How do I tell them?
Try calling 0-800-SHOP-HOMO

lilelvis2000
2nd February 2006, 21:45
And to think there are 1.6 million short-minded people who's only wish to make england like their home. Filthy, corrupt, poor, dictatorship and with excellent weather.

They've got three out of five so far.

wobbegong
3rd February 2006, 09:09
Watching Muslims demonstrating over these cartoons on the box last night, Mrs. W remarked "Muslims are like women with permenant PMT; highly stressed, intollerant, violent and irrational".

In a nutshell.

Mailman
3rd February 2006, 09:22
So has anyone seen these so called blasphemous cartoons?

Mailman

wobbegong
3rd February 2006, 09:27
Yer tiz (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg)

Rebecca Loos
3rd February 2006, 09:46
so has any english paper shown them yet, or is Murdoch too cozy with muslim customers for that?
Or just plain scared perhaps

foritisme
3rd February 2006, 09:56
I heard that one paper printed it - but blacked it out :confused:

threaded
3rd February 2006, 10:27
So has anyone seen these so called blasphemous cartoons?


Yes, I saw them when they were originally published, which was in September last year in little read subsection of a paper with a fairly small readership. How small, well the Doncaster Advertiser has a bigger readership...

Taken it's sweet time to cause upset, if the media wasn't going on about it no one would have been interested.

BoredBloke
3rd February 2006, 10:56
It is the portrayal of Mohammed as being a terrorist which most of them object to. Correct me if I am wrong but what religion do 99.9% of suicide bombers follow.
While you can't say that all muslims are suicide bombers, it is pretty safe to say that all suicide bombers are muslim. If they want to stop this portrayal, then stop using the exploding jackets. Simple.

AlfredJPruffock
3rd February 2006, 11:14
It is the portrayal of Mohammed as being a terrorist which most of them object to. Correct me if I am wrong but what religion do 99.9% of suicide bombers follow.
While you can't say that all muslims are suicide bombers, it is pretty safe to say that all suicide bombers are muslim. If they want to stop this portrayal, then stop using the exploding jackets. Simple.


Pehraps you are forgetting the Japanese used kamakazi suicide bomber pilots against the US during WW2.

mlidl
3rd February 2006, 11:18
Pehraps you are forgetting the Japanese used kamakazi suicide bomber pilots against the US during WW2.


... hmmm thats soldier against soldier, not lunatic against civilian
and as far as i remember the japanese were bombed (nuked) back into stone age for that ...

Phoenix
3rd February 2006, 11:24
And he wanted us to give up our EU rebate. But then again, were the Muslins to know what he did with his bottom, he would be burnt. How do I tell them?


Perhaps we should send them Mr Mandelson with a bomb up his ar*e.
Give them a taste of there own medicine with his exploding bum!!

Lucifer Box
3rd February 2006, 12:16
It's that weasely shite Mandelson that's really got my goat (ho-ho) up about this today.


EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson also criticised the European papers which re-ran the cartoons, saying they were "throwing petrol onto the flames of the original issue and the original offence that was taken"

What fecking right does he have to criticise anyone expressing their freedom of speech in a perfectly legal manner? It is only a short step from here to "don't wear a t-shirt, it might upset the muslims". He should be supporting the papers' rights, not pandering to irrationality. I bet the fecker even thinks "Life of Brian" isn't funny.

Here's a few more snippets from those wacky, peace-loving muslims:

In the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, protesters stormed the Danish embassy shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is Greatest. They smashed up the lobby with bamboo sticks and threw chairs, before pelting the coat-of-arms outside with with rotten eggs and tomatoes and tearing down and burning a Danish flag.

Western journalists and aid workers are leaving Palestinian territories after being threatened with revenge attacks by local militias.

Palestinian militants seized and later released a German hostage in the West Bank as more violence was threatened.

After receiving hundreds of death threats, the cartoonist Kurt Westergaard has been forced into hiding and is believed to be in Florida.

Sergeant Apone
3rd February 2006, 12:48
Take off & nuke the site from orbit: it's the only way to be sure... :D
That's my kind of talk, marine.

AlfredJPruffock
3rd February 2006, 14:25
From the murcy world of the Pruffock Social Observatory, my take on this whole epoisode is that the anger is not so much as a result of the cartoon, but the pereception from the Muslim community seems to be that the so called War on Terror, with the recent devlopments in Iran,now seem now to be perceived as a War on Islam.

Whatever the reality of the above , that perception if fueliing the hostile resentment which we now see, if Iran is attacked perhaps we might witness a rather bitter and violent global Jihad in response, I do hope I am incorrect in this observation.

Time Will Tell

mlidl
3rd February 2006, 14:30
From the murcy world of the Pruffock Social Observatory, my take on this whole epoisode is that the anger is not so much as a result of the cartoon, but the pereception from the Muslim community seems to be that the so called War on Terror, with the recent devlopments in Iran,now seem now to be perceived as a War on Islam.

Whatever the reality of the above , that perception if fueliing the hostile resentment which we now see, if Iran is attacked perhaps we might witness a rather bitter and violent global Jihad in response, I do hope I am incorrect in this observation.

Time Will Tell

it would have helped if G.W. "shit for brains" Bush had not called the war on terror 'the crusades ' :suicide:

Lucifer Box
3rd February 2006, 14:31
Another weasely little shite joining ranks with Peter Mandelson.

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has condemned the decision by some European newspapers to reproduce cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad as "disrespectful". But he praised the UK media for its "considerable responsibility and sensitivity" for not publishing them.
Who exactly has done wrong here in the government's eyes? Newspapers legally printing a satirical cartoon, or hordes of followers of the religion of peace rampaging through the streets worldwide, threatening people at gunpoint, sending death threats, etc.

I suppose all this does at last expose the lie that the (fortunately) overturned bill criminalising "incitement to religious hatred" would not have been used to penalise satire or comedy.

AlfredJPruffock
3rd February 2006, 14:49
Another weasely little shite joining ranks with Peter Mandelson.

Who exactly has done wrong here in the government's eyes? Newspapers legally printing a satirical cartoon, or hordes of followers of the religion of peace rampaging through the streets worldwide, threatening people at gunpoint, sending death threats, etc.

I suppose all this does at last expose the lie that the (fortunately) overturned bill criminalising "incitement to religious hatred" would not have been used to penalise satire or comedy.

The Pruffock Social Observatory can confirm that following some very irate calls from the House of Saud, Jack and Tony are kissing ass quicker than you can say Freedom and Democracy.

Mailman
3rd February 2006, 14:52
In the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, protesters stormed the Danish embassy shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is Greatest. They smashed up the lobby with bamboo sticks and threw chairs, before pelting the coat-of-arms outside with with rotten eggs and tomatoes and tearing down and burning a Danish flag.

You know what, I find the pelting of the coat of arms more offensive than the so called insult against a fictional character! :D

Mailman

darmstadt
3rd February 2006, 16:04
Maybe they're really objecting about the fact that the cartoon was printed on page 3 and thus insinuates that they're all a bunch of tits!

AlfredJPruffock
3rd February 2006, 16:17
Maybe they're really objecting about the fact that the cartoon was printed on page 3 and thus insinuates that they're all a bunch of tits!


Thats food for thought DA, mind you I will shortly be publishing my manisfesto for World Peace through Nudism, but you will have to wait till next week as the weekend of the murky Brussels underworld is calling me.

Good Weekend tout le monde !

darmstadt
3rd February 2006, 16:29
Thats food for thought DA, mind you I will shortly be publishing my manisfesto for World Peace through Nudism, but you will have to wait till next week as the weekend of the murky Brussels underworld is calling me.

Good Weekend tout le monde !

Drove round Brussels yesterday evening. That bloody ring road is lethal. Some stupid bint decided she was in the wrong lane and proceeded to brake right in front of me and then change lanes.

Me, I'm off down the Greek now to have a few beers. Bier zeit :yay:

ratewhore
3rd February 2006, 16:29
In the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, protesters stormed the Danish embassy shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is Greatest. They smashed up the lobby with bamboo sticks and threw chairs, before pelting the coat-of-arms outside with with rotten eggs and tomatoes and tearing down and burning a Danish flag.


I can't help but wonder whether they buy good eggs and leave them to rot (thereby showing intent) or whether someone is doing a roaring trade in bad eggs?

:cool2:

threaded
3rd February 2006, 16:32
I would imagine so, considering most flags are tear and flame resistant, hence someone obviously manufactures flags specifically designed to tear and burn well then why not a manufacturer of rotten eggs?

xoggoth
3rd February 2006, 16:43
I loathe this religion more and more and it has very little to do with terrorist incidents. It has nothing to do with unbalanced far right propoganda either. Most of my dislike comes from reading Islamic websites, not just the extremist ones, but almost equally those moderate ones. You just have to read them carefully to see the meaning behind the fine words.

One has to observe that with just a little browsing on the net, even on those Islamic sites that are trying to present Islam as a tolerant and democratic religion, one soon comes across the statement that some Islamic schools of thought believe that atheists should be killed. One has to conclude from the prevalence of this statement that this must be more than a mere tiny handful of outcast extremists.

Perhaps we are supposed to hope that if we get an Islamic republic we will get that much vaunted "tolerant" form of Islam that does not actually kill atheists and allows Christians and other faiths to worship, provided of course they creep about and keep very quiet about it to avoid offending Muslims.

Islamic society is very democratic too, everyone, even non Muslims have an equal say in society. Provided that say is only about the interpretation and administration of the imposed Islamic principles.

John Galt
3rd February 2006, 16:49
From the murcy world of the Pruffock Social Observatory, my take on this whole epoisode is that the anger is not so much as a result of the cartoon, but the pereception from the Muslim community seems to be that the so called War on Terror, with the recent devlopments in Iran,now seem now to be perceived as a War on Islam.

Whatever the reality of the above , that perception if fueliing the hostile resentment which we now see, if Iran is attacked perhaps we might witness a rather bitter and violent global Jihad in response, I do hope I am incorrect in this observation.

Time Will Tell

I agree with you Alf, I think a religious war (for want of a better phrase) is highly likely. The arab states are highly volatile at the best of times but it is obvious that they are under increased scrutiny & pressure from the west, especially the media. Personally I think that the Government has done much to fuel bad feeling between Muslims and non-muslims by trying to placate them all the time. The average muslim on the street feels as though he is constantly having to defend his position and the average non-muslim wonders why the muslims are getting all this special treatment. I also think that the Government are currently sending out mixed signals - UK Muslims are great and should be made to feel special but anywhere else they are a threat to life and limb. If they practised what they preached and treated everyone equally there would be no problem in the UK. Oh, except when Bliar and Bush decide to bomb the f**k out of Iran obviously

mcquiggd
3rd February 2006, 18:52
What I love about muslims is the sheer scale of their hypocrisy...

Just watched a news bulletin about the demonstrations outside the Danish embassy in London...

Of course, dozens of hyperactive muslims waving placards such as 'Down with Europe', 'Europe your end is near', 'Behead all European blasphemers'....

SO WHAT THE FECK ARE THEY DOING LIVING IN A WESTERN DEMOCRACY???

Get the hell out of this country and back to the cesspit your ideology comes from. If you want to stone women to death and cut off peoples heads dont do it in the UK, do it in the third world morass of poverty you belong in.

threaded
3rd February 2006, 18:58
What gets me is the burning and tearing up of a Danish flag.

Which is essentially a representation of the Christian cross.

Yeps hypocrisy.

mcquiggd
3rd February 2006, 19:20
From Channel 4 News:

'In jakarta they called for the assasination of the Danish ambassador'

A placard stating 'Freedom go to hell'....


Lets face it, the West and islam are mutually exclusive... have been for centuries, and mass immigration has simply been a disaster.

We may have laughed at France's recent problems, but frankly anywhere you have large numbers of muslims the same potential for disaster exists.

If people dont like the Western lifestyle, they should leave. We should leave their countries alone, and just nuke them if they try their old expansionist tricks that led to the Crusades (yes, peeps, muslims invaded Western Europe centuries earlier, and we just fought back).

Some moron on tv was just shown heckling the leader of his mosque that he would rather die that be insulted. Well, maybe they should just form an orderly queue and we should oblige. Not by killing them, but giving them a one way ticket to an islamic state. Then of course, wait for them to try to crawl back and claim asylum... :rolleyes:

xoggoth
3rd February 2006, 20:52
Seconded

sappatz
3rd February 2006, 20:56
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41289000/jpg/_41289226_gaza_ap416.jpg

Lucifer Box
3rd February 2006, 22:25
Awwwww, would you just look at those peace loving muslims again. I tell you, it's a good job Islam is a religion of peace and harmony, imagine what it would be like if it were a religion of blood-thirsty intolerants. And just to prove it, here's a few more peace lovers stepping up to the mark to put their point of view across...

- "We will not accept less than severing the heads of those responsible," one preacher told worshippers at the al-Omari Mosque in the Gaza Strip.

- Gunmen have surrounded a French cultural centre in Gaza and are demanding an apology.

- Hundreds of Muslims have staged angry protests in London. Scores waved placards bearing angry messages, one declaring: "Behead the one who insults the prophet".

- Protesters met after Friday prayers outside Regent's Park mosque in central London and marched through the streets chanting "Free speech go to hell" and "Europe your 9/11 will come".

- 26-year-old Bushra Varakat, a student from Egham, Surrey said "we don't know why these silly people use these cartoons unless they were showing how much they hate us. We have to defend our prophet otherwise Allah will punish us. We will not accept this ridicule."

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1376522.jpg

Meanwhile in the other corner, well feck me, here's another bunch of weasely shites queueing up behind Mandelson and Straw to stab free speech in the back:

- French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy criticises the cartoons

- Vatican cardinal Achille Silvestrini condemned the cartoons, saying Western culture had to know its limits

vista
3rd February 2006, 22:33
Meanwhile in the other corner, well feck me, here's another bunch of weasely shites


Excellent turn of phrase.

Lucifer Box
3rd February 2006, 22:41
Excellent turn of phrase.
To be honest, it's the sort of mealy mouthed moral cowardice you would expect from the likes of Mandelson and Straw, but I am shocked indeed that the French foreign minister is in there as well, queueing up to condemn free speech and looking to kiss some religious zealots' arses.

xoggoth
3rd February 2006, 22:54
Tell you what. Let's all go to London tomorrow carryin placards. "MASSACRE minorities who restrict free speech", "DEATH to Muslims who insult our traditions", "BEHEAD those who challenge our traditional rights". See how far WE get before we are arrested and charged for inciting violence.

Lucifer Box
3rd February 2006, 23:19
Watching Muslims demonstrating over these cartoons on the box last night, Mrs. W remarked "Muslims are like women with permenant PMT; highly stressed, intollerant, violent and irrational".

In a nutshell.
I remember listening to an interview on the radio with a psychiatrist after the London tube bombings. Her opinion was that the reason that it seems to be easier to whip up muslim youths into a frenzy is due to sexual repression. Basically the typical sexually repressed muslim youth is under a lot of day-to-day stress and tension seeing a west populated by (in their minds) scantily clad and sexually available to everyone but them immoral women. For some, the only way they can deal with it is to hate all that western culture stands for.

mcquiggd
3rd February 2006, 23:30
Is it coz I is white......?



Funny how the two BNP leaders are facing repeated attempts to have them charged for inciting racial hatred against muslims (and it seems that public muslim behaviour actually backs up their comments!) in a private meeting filmed by an undercover reporter from the BBC who obviously had an agenda, yet muslims can appear on every national news bulletin calling for people to be murdered, beheaded etc and guess what...

... absolutely no action from the powers that be other than 'oh, that lot are offended again, better protect our marginal seats by denouncing the Danish'.

Dr Evil
3rd February 2006, 23:37
Is it coz I is white......?



At the risk of getting my head chewed off - probably, yes. A lot of moderates have also been offended by the same cartoons, but it's always the vocal minority who get on the news.

Give it a couple of weeks and it'll all blow over.

mcquiggd
3rd February 2006, 23:56
Or blow up. Some of the 'demonstrators' were chanting '7/7 coming soon'... a reference to previous bombings... Suicide Attack In London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings) - 'the deadliest bombing in London since the Second World War'.

Remember how the two people who intended a completely silent protest at the Centotaph due to a family death of a serving soldier in Iraq were arrested, but dozens of muslims parading through London calling for people to be beheaded / blown up / their civilisation destroyed are allowed to do what the hell they like and are given prime time tv on every news bulletin....

Hire RyanAir for a regular 'repatriation' service (£11 + a camel for airport bribes) to whatever hell hole they belong in and just get them out of the UK.

They dont belong here, obviously dont want to be here or they wouldnt be trying to change the countries culture, they are often above the law simply due to their skin colour, and they are a detriment to the country as democracy is being eroded due to their political ambitions (another legacy nu labour will be remembered for).

Harrysp
4th February 2006, 07:37
A link to the cartoons

I dont think they are that bad,

http://www.muslimparody.com/Danish.html

Lucifer Box
4th February 2006, 09:20
At the risk of getting my head chewed off - probably, yes. A lot of moderates have also been offended by the same cartoons, but it's always the vocal minority who get on the news.

Give it a couple of weeks and it'll all blow over.
As somebody said, where were the offended protesters when muslim groups distributed a video of an infidel having his head cut off in the name of Islam?

xoggoth
4th February 2006, 10:22
The point is that there was no insult to Muhammed. Why on earth would anyone want to insult a 6th century character??? The cartoons were not directed at the Prohphet but at modern Islamic fundamantalism. Unfortunately the irrational dickheads have a childlike literalism that does not allow them to see the difference.

larry
4th February 2006, 11:12
While everyone's concerned with getting one over on the muslims, Arla foods of Denmark are losing a million pounds a day. They've also laid off members of staff.

Freedom of speech comes with immense responsibility. Gratuitous publishing of a few pics will have an economic effect, even if it's only for a short while.

Rupert Murdoch has business interests in the middle east, including Israel. His staff know who pays their wages!

Lucifer Box
4th February 2006, 12:09
Freedom of speech comes with immense responsibility. Gratuitous publishing of a few pics will have an economic effect, even if it's only for a short while.
So what's your point, Larry? What do you think should have happened in this situation?

Lucifer Box
4th February 2006, 12:11
The point is that there was no insult to Muhammed. Why on earth would anyone want to insult a 6th century character??? The cartoons were not directed at the Prohphet but at modern Islamic fundamantalism. Unfortunately the irrational dickheads have a childlike literalism that does not allow them to see the difference.
A point that was ably made by Ian Hislop on Newsnight Review last night. The reaction to a cartoon satirising fundamentalists as blood-thirsty intolerants was to behave as blood-thirsty intolerants. And as Ian Hislop knows more than most, it isn't libel if it's true.

thought police
4th February 2006, 14:52
A point that was ably made by Ian Hislop on Newsnight Review last night. The reaction to a cartoon satirising fundamentalists as blood-thirsty intolerants was to behave as blood-thirsty intolerants. And as Ian Hislop knows more than most, it isn't libel if it's true.

I was informed that this unauthorized visiport was a hotbed of crimethink and oldspeak.

I have been assigned to monitor this unauthorized visiport and report any untruth or malquote.

As you know citizen Luciferbox, what you are suggesting is doublethink at the very least, if not crimethink and you will be invited to a NL Joycamp for correctthink.

THE PARTY decrees that we must tolerate our Muslim co-thinks in their FAIR and reasonable opinions that all Oceanians should be beheaded, burned alive or bombed. TO THINK NOTSO IS CRIMETHINK and NOTFAIR.

Now redirect your thought-viewer to the Ingsoc Visiport (www.labour.org.uk) and lovejoy Tony BB Liar's DAYORDER.

TBB is watching.

Lucifer Box
4th February 2006, 18:25
Sorry, citizen, I shall be reporting to my nearest Nu Labour re-education centre (aka city academy) first thing in the morning.

Lucifer Box
4th February 2006, 22:25
A march in which protesters chanted violent anti-Western slogans such as "7/7 is on its way" should have been banned, a leading British Muslim said. Asghar Bukhari said the demonstration in London on Friday should have been stopped by police because the group had been advocating violence.

The chairman of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee said the protesters "did not represent British Muslims". Mr Bukhari told the BBC News website: "The placards and chants were disgraceful and disgusting, Muslims do not feel that way.

"I condemn them without reservation, these people are less representative of Muslims than the BNP are of the British people."
Seems that Ashgar Bukhari has got more balls than Straw or Mandelson. But, oh, hold on a moment, a few seconds later he's hedging his bets: "It's irrelevant whether it's Muslims causing hatred or anyone else - freedom of speech has to be responsible", said Bukhari.

Oh lookie here, further to earlier questions about why the police let a bunch of crazed zealots march through central London calling for the death of infidels, it seems they were busy arresting people in possession of offensive cartoons...

Police later said two men had been arrested near the embassy during the protest. "They were arrested to prevent a breach of the peace, after a search by officers found leaflets including cartoons of the prophet Mohammed," a Met spokeswoman said.
Still, there is at least one thing I might agree with...

He [a speaker at the demonstration] called on "the governments of the Muslim world to completely sever all contact with European governments" until they had "controlled the media".

mcquiggd
5th February 2006, 19:16
Heres an ironic thought... make anti UK thoughts / speeches / actions punishable by beheading...

The actual concept of what is 'anti UK' would be interpreted to involve 'anything a mulsim says while inciting violence', and their execution would be outsourced to a private company to ensure efficiency, and broadcast on TV by decree :D

Its either that or compulsory dousing in pig fat on the way to the dole office / immigration office to put the buggers off living here.

xoggoth
5th February 2006, 19:33
"I condemn them without reservation, these people are less representative of Muslims than the BNP are of the British people."

The BNP and Islamic extremism are not comparable. I never recall seeing in any BNP march or demo, banners demanding killing. I never saw anything remotely like that even in NF leaflets before all the race hate laws came in. In those channel4 exposures, although Griffin and others had no idea they were being filmed, nothing along those violent lines either, racist yes, but only of the "get out of our country" variety. Even in graphitti by sink estate scum I have seen, * get out, * leave our country etc but again, never any death threats.

Isn't it just amazing that such a tiny tiny minority of extreme Muslims should all happen to be in the same place at the same time!!

Fungus
5th February 2006, 20:20
The BNP and Islamic extremism are not comparable. I never recall seeing in any BNP march or demo, banners demanding killing. I never saw anything remotely like that even in NF leaflets before all the race hate laws came in. In those channel4 exposures, although Griffin and others had no idea they were being filmed, nothing along those violent lines either, racist yes, but only of the "get out of our country" variety. Even in graphitti by sink estate scum I have seen, * get out, * leave our country etc but again, never any death threats.

Isn't it just amazing that such a tiny tiny minority of extreme Muslims should all happen to be in the same place at the same time!!

Ever heard of Combat 18? It is a now banned group that would commit race crimes, and were I believe inciting murder. There's quite a few such groups about. Funny thing is, they are banned. But a group of bearded pork shirkers carrying banners calling for the slaughter of innocent westerners are able to march in public.

Dundeegeorge
5th February 2006, 20:31
But a group of bearded pork shirkers carrying banners calling for the slaughter of innocent westerners are able to march in public.

Would that be carried out in a halal style, I wonder?

Lucifer Box
6th February 2006, 08:57
Another mealy mouther fecker lined up from the government this morning on Radio 4, Peter Hain. Words to the effect of "the police are professionals and know what they are doing. We should respect their judgement. I'm sure if any action is necessary it will be taken. The police's primary concern is public safety, not necessarily enforcement of the law". Sickening.

Still, at least they managed to arrest two journalists who had a leaflet containing a copy of the "offensive" cartoons, "in order to prevent a breach of the peace".

On those lines, apparently in one of the papers this morning, there is a cartoon of two policemen giving a guy a speeding ticket while behind them a bunch of bearded fanatics walk past with banners proclaiming "Behead All Infidels" and the like.

wobbegong
6th February 2006, 10:57
I've had a dark sense of forboding for some time now, regarding Islam vs. "the West". With each passing day the pot seems to be simmering more and more noisily. I think it's only a matter of time before the conflict comes out of the shadows and kicks off big time.

I hope I'm wrong.

AlfredJPruffock
6th February 2006, 11:56
I've had a dark sense of forboding for some time now, regarding Islam vs. "the West". With each passing day the pot seems to be simmering more and more noisily. I think it's only a matter of time before the conflict comes out of the shadows and kicks off big time.

I hope I'm wrong.


Actually I think you are probably wrong , however there are those whom no doubt would love to antagonize or demonize the Muslims for their own political agenda, and on other side there are Muslims who would love to antoganize or demonize the West.

Dontcha just love extremists ?

Lucifer Box
6th February 2006, 12:02
however there are those whom no doubt would love to antagonize or demonize the Muslims for their own political agenda
They seem to be doing a pretty good job of that themselves.

Dr Evil
6th February 2006, 12:07
As somebody said, where were the offended protesters when muslim groups distributed a video of an infidel having his head cut off in the name of Islam?

It's not in the nature of those in this country to 'protest' unless there is a really pressing reason to do so. There are other places in the world where protests are a common site almost every day (the French have no such inhibitions).

There are various groups which have learned through experience that the 'squeaky wheel gets the oil' and as a result takes every opportunity to squeak!!! This country needs to stand up to this sort of behaviour but I personally don't think this is the killer issue on which to do that - there's far too much ambiguity in a 'free speech' debate to nail anyone to anything. (Get ready to duck and cover).

Curiously and as a related aside - seems as if it's primarily second generation and (overzealous) recent converts who are the ones taking part in the protests. I'm not seeing much in the way of older Muslims in the protests or am I missing something here?

AlfredJPruffock
6th February 2006, 12:10
They seem to be doing a pretty good job of that themselves.

Yet look at the current politcal landscape, all seems a tad conveneint to me , then again there the opening of the Iranian Oil Bourse end of March we now see the finger is on the trigger ...


The US and Israel have refused to rule out air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, reiterated this yesterday. He said this was partly because of Mr Ahmadinejad's approach to Israel. "Any government that says Israel has no right to exist is making a statement about its possible behaviour in the future," he said.

But Abdolrahim Moussavi, head of Iran's joint chiefs of staff, warned that any military strike would be useless. "We are not seeking a military confrontation, but if that happens we will give the enemy a lesson that will be remembered throughout history," he said.

Now either Iran is bluffing and will just have to absorb these stikes, or they may already have the bomb bought off the shelf from several possible sources, or something else we are completly unaware of ... or again perhaps just empty rhetoric.

Either way we are approaching an interesting rubycon of History, I do hope you have checked your insurance polices and have a six months supply of essentials.


May your Lord be with you.

Alf Strangelove

Churchill
6th February 2006, 12:23
Alfie.

Even Pravda reckon it's gonna happen...

Pravda - English (http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/16614_israel.html)


Russia plays a significant role in Iran's growing defensive capacity. Russia assisted Iran in launching its first satellite, the Sinah-1, which can perform the functions of a spy satellite too. Moscow also agreed to deliver Tor-M1 air defense complexes to Iran last week. To crown it all, Iran's entire nuclear program is being conducted with the participation of Russian specialists.

The majority of experts believe, however, that Israel will eventually cancel its plans to attack Iran in early spring of 2006. First off, Tehran is capable of striking a very powerful blow on Israel. In addition, an air raid on Iran will deprive Israel of the international support. Most likely, Ariel Sharon simply decided to intimidate the bellicose Iranian president and exercise his political will and determination on the threshold of the election campaign in Israel.

AlfredJPruffock
6th February 2006, 12:30
Prepare a military operation against Iran. An air strike on nuclear objects of the Islamic republic was set for March 28,

Would you Adam and Eve it ?

That date happens to be just when the Iranian Oil Bourse is opening ... just a mere coincidence I am sure.

bogeyman
6th February 2006, 12:31
Curiously and as a related aside - seems as if it's primarily second generation and (overzealous) recent converts who are the ones taking part in the protests. I'm not seeing much in the way of older Muslims in the protests or am I missing something here?

In the 80's I worked as a photojournalist. I was covering a big protest against the Satanic Verses in Hyde Park for the Independent.

It was truly frightening. Radical Islam was a bit of a novelty then.

The picture editor wanted close shots with a wide angle lens which meant getting right in the scrum with these lunatics. The senior photog was naturally allowed to stand off with a long lens!

Never before had I seen such drooling hate and rage. As you say Dr E, it was the youngsters mostly. Nothing unusual there - exuberance of youth and all that - but in each group of protesting youths, there seemed to be an old man (probably a cleric) who was whipping up the frenzy.

I have a shot of one group where a little, wizened old imam is geeing up all the stupid young zealots. I was about 15 feet away from their faces when I took this shot. The hatred is palpable and I was very scared (picture desk loved it of course).

After I took the shot, the old guy smiled at me as if to say "don't worry - I'm totally in control here". I'm sure if he'd told his mob to tear me limb from limb they would have obeyed without a pause.

I left senior photog to it at that point and headed for the nearest pub for a large one.

BTW - noticed that the police were very low key at that protest, even then. I covered an animal rights protest a couple of weeks later and the boys in blue were charging out of white vans in riot gear all over the place! Says it all really.

AlfredJPruffock
6th February 2006, 12:51
Fascinating story that BM, must have been a very interesting job.

Surely better than working in an office ?

Anway I note that the Oil Price is moving rapidly,as I predicted it would last month as we approach the Iranian Oil Bourse opening date.

This price hike is, in one way, a possible indicator that the War is on its way... interesting to observe the price of Oil as the political debate heats up, will we see gas at 90 bucks per pop end of March ?

There is still the possiblity of a diplomatic settlement, altough I dont see it, Time will Tell.

From todays FT


Oil prices rose by more than $1 a barrel in early trade on Monday as tensions over Iran’s nuclear ambitions escalated.

Dr Evil
6th February 2006, 12:54
I believe that the way that it works is that the protestors need to achieve a 'critical mass' of people before they get significant coverage. To do that, there are likely to be rabble rousers (the older guys you refer to) who are in charge of recruiting 'activists' (unemployed, or recent converts) in certain mosques etc. You probably get between 10 and 50 odd of these guys per mosque who are called upon to join in the protests. Get a couple of these mosques together and you have approx 100 people, get 10 or 20 together and you have a few hundred!!!!

Of course once you have achieved that critical mass, you will then get many more people outside of these networks who'll join in for shits and kicks.

Back to the beginning though, once a protest achieves it's aims, it's human nature to think that this is an acceptable means/route of doing things. Problem is close that door, and simultaneously lose something for your own society. . . . . .

AlfredJPruffock
6th February 2006, 12:59
Back to the beginning though, once a protest achieves it's aims, it's human nature to think that this is an acceptable means/route of doing things. Problem is close that door, and simultaneously lose something for your own society. . . . . .

Lets take an example of recent protests, the decision by Tony Blair to lead Britain into War with Iraq was greeted with mass public protests, however Blair simply ignored them and his own MPS and went to War anyway.

And managed to get re elected.

So heres the rub, in non democratic societys, you would not have had the chance to protest and would have found yourself at War.

In democractic society however, you can protest it against it , be ignored and find yourself at War.

Draw your own conclusions ...

bogeyman
6th February 2006, 13:01
Fascinating story that BM, must have been a very interesting job.

Surely better than working in an office ?

It certainly had its moments Alf. Although my abiding memory of the job was being cold, tired, bored, often pissed and constantly abused by the public and fellow journos alike.

The pic editor at the Independent told me that although I was a very good photographer, I was too nice. He reckoned you needed to be a thug and a lying, unscrupulous bastard to be a good press man.

I took his advice and jacked it in while my liver and integrity were still intact.

Dr Evil
6th February 2006, 13:25
Back to the beginning though, once a protest achieves it's aims, it's human nature to think that this is an acceptable means/route of doing things. Problem is close that door, and simultaneously lose something for your own society. . . . . .

Lets take an example of recent protests, the decision by Tony Blair to lead Britain into War with Iraq was greeted with mass public protests, however Blair simply ignored them and his own MPS and went to War anyway.

And managed to get re elected.

So heres the rub, in non democratic societys, you would not have had the chance to protest and would have found yourself at War.

In democractic society however, you can protest it against it , be ignored and find yourself at War.

Draw your own conclusions ...

I'm not sure of your point there Alf, I'm not trying to say that protests always achieve what they set out to achieve, but that it's human nature and a key part of the learning (and even evolutionary) process that if something works - repeat it. Similarly, if something doesn't work (or causes other negative impact) then (eventually) stop it.

There's a collective intelligence (and I use that word under advisement) at work here, it needs to be taught that this approach is not just ineffective in that it doesn't advance the cause, but actually detrimental - in that it takes it back a couple of steps.

My fear is that currently the current actions of the government are intended to appease the protestors, this is diametrically opposed to the wishes of the majority of the remainder of the population and a very important line must not be crossed . . . . .

bogeyman
6th February 2006, 13:30
At least they know how to party...

Muslim Rave Sensation (http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html)

AlfredJPruffock
6th February 2006, 14:42
At least they know how to party...

Muslim Rave Sensation (http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html)

Great link !

What a laugh that was !

Now THATS the sort of chap England could do with as manager for the World Cup !