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Lord Turner's 'unpopular' credit control plans to prevent future bubbles

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    Lord Turner's 'unpopular' credit control plans to prevent future bubbles

    Britain is to wind the clock back 30 years to an era of credit controls in an effort to stamp out speculative bubbles and protect consumers from crippling levels of debt under the most extensive overhaul of financial regulation in a generation.

    Regulators will have the power to cap mortgages, limit credit to real estate investors, and force banks to restrict lending under powers that echo the 1980s – the last time credit could be switched on and off by a central watchdog

    Outlining the plans, Financial Services Authority chairman Lord Turner of Ecchinswell called for a "mature public debate" on the issue, acknowledging that the measures, which "may include maximum loan-to-value ratios", would be "unpopular". Credit controls would mean some borrowers, who have had no trouble raising money in the past, would be turned down.

    "Efficient and rational market" conventions of the past had failed, he said in his annual Mansion House speech, and "constraints on easy credit are sometimes in everybody's best interest.

    "In many retail financial markets, the imbalances of knowledge and power between consumers and providers are so profound, and the potential for perverse incentives so great, that even highly competitive markets and extensive information disclosure are insufficient to protect consumer interests."

    In an apparent criticism of the previous government, with which he was so close he earned the moniker "Red Adair", Lord Turner attacked "credit booms which, as long as they last, make governments popular and swell their tax revenues".

    He welcomed the creation of the Financial Policy Committee, which will control the levers to "slow down excessive credit growth". Its "toolkit ... could mean restricting mortgage credit when individuals are buying houses in a rising market, and limiting credit to real estate investors who enjoy the rising prices which easy credit itself helps produce", he said.

    "We need trusted authorities independent enough to make decisions on behalf of society – but also acceptance by society that there are difficult choices to be made."

    He also conceded that, ideally, banks would be facing tougher capital requirements than the 7pc core ratio agreed by global regulators this month. "If we were philosopher kings designing a banking system anew, should we have set still higher capital ratios? Yes I believe we should," he said.

    However, he warned investors that "the combined impact of all the changes is much greater than implied by the increase to 7pc".

    He added that regulators, hooked on "the simplistic assumptions of the past" such as the belief that inflation targeting would "automatically deliver financial stability", were more to blame than bankers for the crisis.

    "We need to move beyond the demonisation of overpaid traders and their unnecessary CDO squareds, to recognise that, in finance and economics, ill-designed policy is a more powerful force for harm than individual greed or error."

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    FFS, there is just one sure way to stop flow of credit bubble - increase interest rates, keeping them at 0 with Vince Cable whining about banks not lending and then trying to pretend some central quango will somehow limit lending rates, ffs - all that stuff is what BoE should be working on, why are they silent, is it just monthly voting with predictable results all they are capable of?

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    The thing that irks me is that the reason that the world got into the state it did with the economic crisis was due to significant errors within financial circles:
    • Using toxic assets to loan money against
    • Putting financial controllers in charge of everything


    That latter point relates to the whole damn world being driven by the need to increase profitability and reduce costs. It's a one-trick pony. The NHS is one such example - they've employed a legion of penpushers to drive up productivity and reduce overheads, and instead of the profession employing people to deal with medical matters we are instead paying a goodly amount to non-medical staff, who of course have ensured that their snout remains firmly buried in the trough.

    So the credit crisis goes away, primarily because governments across the globe have run up more debt with things like quantitive easing. And what happens? Despite having been 100% responsible for causing the first crash the finance industry can now be seen rewarding themselves handsomely with mega-payouts. Come again - you get REWARDED for having caused a financial crash? I'm in the wrong industry....

    And what has happened to this toxic debt? It's still there, the loans have been reshaped by the banking industry, but they are still capable of causing problems down the line.

    In any other industry a company BoD would recognise that they've made a bad investment and they would write off the debt - not refactor it to make it look good. Not so in the finance industry - they've kept the toxic debts going.

    In my view what should have happened with these toxic debts was that they should have been written off, like would happen in any other industry. If that meant a bank writing off someone's mortgage then fine, the bank shouldn't have provided the money against the toxic asset in the first place. But oh no, the bank keeps the debt going and just re-engineers it into something which they can continue to bleed money out of.

    Furthermore, the banking chiefs who allowed the financial crisis to occur should have been bled dry - not rewarded handsomely with massive pension payouts etc. And governments who oversaw this crisis should have been made to pay - if that meant the Labour Party had been declared bankrupt that would have been a suitable reaction.

    Coming back to my original point, the world has gone crazy chasing after profitability. One of the targets has been pension funds, which is something that will most likely affect all of us in time to come. We spent the 20th century building up workers rights so that they could retire comfortably at an earlier age, and the 21st century has started by forcing increases to retirement age (look at the French at the moment - they are dead right to be opposing an increase in pensionable age IMHO). I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be allowed to work beyond 65 if they want to, only that if someone wants to retire comfortably why have we made it so hard for them to do so? By keeping the old dodderers at the coalface for longer we reduce the jobs supply, and we can see the university students who can't get jobs for any price. Forcing these old 'uns to continue working will have an effect on the NHS (for example) and increase costs.

    Personally I think we should take the financiers off the case and return it to good old capitalism where companies weren't measured against a stupid stock market price, but about their general worth to the community. Not sure how one could go about measuring that - but spot prices on a financial indexes is obviously not the way to go.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Saddo View Post
      The thing that irks me is that the reason that the world got into the state it did with the economic crisis was due to significant errors within financial circles:
      • Using toxic assets to loan money against
      • Putting financial controllers in charge of everything


      That latter point relates to the whole damn world being driven by the need to increase profitability and reduce costs. It's a one-trick pony. The NHS is one such example - they've employed a legion of penpushers to drive up productivity and reduce overheads, and instead of the profession employing people to deal with medical matters we are instead paying a goodly amount to non-medical staff, who of course have ensured that their snout remains firmly buried in the trough.

      So the credit crisis goes away, primarily because governments across the globe have run up more debt with things like quantitive easing. And what happens? Despite having been 100% responsible for causing the first crash the finance industry can now be seen rewarding themselves handsomely with mega-payouts. Come again - you get REWARDED for having caused a financial crash? I'm in the wrong industry....

      And what has happened to this toxic debt? It's still there, the loans have been reshaped by the banking industry, but they are still capable of causing problems down the line.

      In any other industry a company BoD would recognise that they've made a bad investment and they would write off the debt - not refactor it to make it look good. Not so in the finance industry - they've kept the toxic debts going.

      In my view what should have happened with these toxic debts was that they should have been written off, like would happen in any other industry. If that meant a bank writing off someone's mortgage then fine, the bank shouldn't have provided the money against the toxic asset in the first place. But oh no, the bank keeps the debt going and just re-engineers it into something which they can continue to bleed money out of.

      Furthermore, the banking chiefs who allowed the financial crisis to occur should have been bled dry - not rewarded handsomely with massive pension payouts etc. And governments who oversaw this crisis should have been made to pay - if that meant the Labour Party had been declared bankrupt that would have been a suitable reaction.

      Coming back to my original point, the world has gone crazy chasing after profitability. One of the targets has been pension funds, which is something that will most likely affect all of us in time to come. We spent the 20th century building up workers rights so that they could retire comfortably at an earlier age, and the 21st century has started by forcing increases to retirement age (look at the French at the moment - they are dead right to be opposing an increase in pensionable age IMHO). I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't be allowed to work beyond 65 if they want to, only that if someone wants to retire comfortably why have we made it so hard for them to do so? By keeping the old dodderers at the coalface for longer we reduce the jobs supply, and we can see the university students who can't get jobs for any price. Forcing these old 'uns to continue working will have an effect on the NHS (for example) and increase costs.

      Personally I think we should take the financiers off the case and return it to good old capitalism where companies weren't measured against a stupid stock market price, but about their general worth to the community. Not sure how one could go about measuring that - but spot prices on a financial indexes is obviously not the way to go.
      What a remarkably sensible newbie post. This sort of insight won't get you far on here you know!
      “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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        #4
        Originally posted by shaunbhoy View Post
        What a remarkably sensible newbie post. This sort of insight won't get you far on here you know!
        Oh bugger. Sorry, I was posting on the wrong board. Please forgive me.

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