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foritisme
7th February 2006, 13:23
One Down :yay:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4689556.stm

Fungus
7th February 2006, 13:25
One Down :yay:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4689556.stm

You just beat me to it.

Great minds think alike. (Though fools seldom differ.)

Fungus

foritisme
7th February 2006, 13:26
Everyone's gone to a staff briefing so a bit quiet around here (most of the contractors have gone as well :suicide: )

sunnysan
7th February 2006, 13:35
Dont you think that it may have been prudent to delay judgement on this until the present cartoon storm has blown over?

It seems like very bad timing to me.

AlfredJPruffock
7th February 2006, 13:38
Dont you think that it may have been prudent to delay judgement on this until the present cartoon storm has blown over?

It seems like very bad timing to me.

Beware the Aides of March

foritisme
7th February 2006, 13:38
No - I think it is a good time to give a message to the idiots on the streets at the weekend.

Churchill
7th February 2006, 13:39
Looks like he's held his hands up and coughed...

AlfredJPruffock
7th February 2006, 13:42
Looks like he's held his hands up and coughed...

So who then got murdered ?

I see that a priest and a rabbi testified on his behalf.

Which is odd.

Spekaing of murder ...

If somebody falsely and knowingly accuses a nation of possesing WMDs then launches a War based on this and kills a vast amount of people, is that not an incitement to actual murder?

Or is it OK because you have a nice smile ?

Time Will Tell

Jakes Daddy
7th February 2006, 13:44
Looks like he's held his hands up and coughed...
Dont you mean 1 hand and 1 hook ?

Mailman
7th February 2006, 13:45
So when is his extradition hearing?

You reckon they have prepared a cell for him in Cuba? :D

Mailman

Mailman
7th February 2006, 13:46
If somebody falsley and knowingly accuses a nation of possesing WMDs then launches a War based on this and kills a vast amount of people, is that not an incitement to actual murder?

No simply because the claims were, at worst, simply incorrect.

Slight difference between giving someone 10 plus years to sort their sh1t out and someone actively encouraging people to kill in alahs name.

Mailman

John Galt
7th February 2006, 13:50
So who then got murdered ?

I see that a priest and a rabbi testified on his behalf.

Which is odd.

Spekaing of murder ...

If somebody falsely and knowingly accuses a nation of possesing WMDs then launches a War based on this and kills a vast amount of people, is that not an incitement to actual murder?

Or is it OK because you have a nice smile ?

Time Will Tell

So what are you saying Alf that basically he has done nothing wrong???

ChimpMaster
7th February 2006, 13:56
Leave now Hamza and walk out of prison on way to extradition, don't forget to pick up your hook on your way out. :rollin:

DodgyAgent
7th February 2006, 14:00
Leave now Hamza and walk out of prison on way to extradition, don't forget to pick up your hook on your way out. :rollin:

In other words "Go sling your hook" :)

eternalnomad
7th February 2006, 14:02
or in true Sun fashion (which they have probably used already)

"Hook off Hamza"

AlfredJPruffock
7th February 2006, 14:04
So what are you saying Alf that basically he has done nothing wrong???

Au contraire if there is case against this chap then for incitment to murder sure there is case against Blair for actual mass murder.

And the WMD fiasco was no error Mailman, but if you cant figure that out then your own your own.

DodgyAgent
7th February 2006, 14:08
Au contraire if there is case against this chap then for incitment to murder sure there is case against Blair for actual mass murder.

And the WMD fiasco was no error Mailman, but if you cant figure that out then your own your own.

According to your logic we can dig up Winston Churchill, we can put Thatcher on trial for the falklands, put Blair up again for Balkan civilians being killed, in fact anyone who has presided over any regime who's representatives have killed someone.

Fungus
7th February 2006, 15:02
Dont you mean 1 hand and 1 hook ?

Don't you mean 2 hooks?

He lost his hands and one eye mysteriously during a trip in Afghanistan. Sounds to me like he was learning how to make bombs.

AlfredJPruffock
7th February 2006, 15:11
According to your logic we can dig up Winston Churchill, we can put Thatcher on trial for the falklands, put Blair up again for Balkan civilians being killed, in fact anyone who has presided over any regime who's representatives have killed someone.

Au contraire.

Its according to your logic not mine.

Thatcher herself condemned Blair for going to War over unscientific facts and allegations over a non existant WMD program.

And I have never criticised Britain for defending the Falklands, and that is a fact.

Are you arguing against Mrs Thatcher ?

wobbegong
7th February 2006, 15:15
Don't you mean 2 hooks?

He lost his hands and one eye mysteriously during a trip in Afghanistan. Sounds to me like he was learning how to make bombs.

Don't they remove hands for stealing in certain Muslim countries?

Mailman
7th February 2006, 15:22
Don't you mean 2 hooks?

He lost his hands and one eye mysteriously during a trip in Afghanistan. Sounds to me like he was learning how to make bombs.

[funny indian accent]"honest to alah, I woke up and both hands and one eye was gone AND it had nothing to do with looking at that kiddie porn last night!" [/funny indian accent]

Mailman

hyperD
7th February 2006, 15:32
7 years, 7 years, 7 years...

He'll be out in 3 though. Wonder if he gets a special diet? Shared room?

sasguru
7th February 2006, 15:34
[funny indian accent]"honest to alah, I woke up and both hands and one eye was gone AND it had nothing to do with looking at that kiddie porn last night!" [/funny indian accent]

Mailman

You learn something every day. I had no idea Abu Hamza was Indian.
Jeez, I must be thick.

eternalnomad
7th February 2006, 15:34
7 years, 7 years, 7 years...

He'll be out in 3 though. Wonder if he gets a special diet? Shared room?


Pork chops on a Friday

Bet he is looking forward to it

wobbegong
7th February 2006, 15:34
He'll be out in 3 though.

Not if the Yanks get their extradition request granted.

NoddY
7th February 2006, 15:39
I love the fact that he worked as a civil engineer at Sandhurst!

Churchill
7th February 2006, 15:40
I love the fact that he worked as a civil engineer at Sandhurst!

I wonder if he was on the same litter duty as Threaded...

John Galt
7th February 2006, 16:02
Not sure if this has been picked up else where but Abu Hamza has been given 7 years with an order to serve at least 3.

xoggoth
7th February 2006, 20:06
Don't get hung up on the extremism or otherwise of individual Muslims, look at the religion itself.

Islam is the only true religion, we are all born Muslims and Islam can have no national boundaries. Islam aims to continue what the Prophet started by making an Islamic state of the world. In the "tolerant and democratic" Islamic state, Muslims and others have an equal say provided it is only about the interpretation of Islamic law. Other religions can worship freely provide they keep very quiet about it to avoid offending Muslims. Anything contrary to Islamic law, such as being gay, will not be permitted.

If we get an Islamic state it will purely down to the outcome of the subsequent power struggle as to whether the "moderates" or the fanatics are in charge. If we are lucky, gays and others will only be imprisoned, if we are not, gays and atheists and many others will be executed and life will be totally repressive. Either way there will no more individual freedom or democracy as we know it.

If we get an Islamic state it will be all those "moderate" people, by reason of their numbers, who will deliver it.

I suggest people do what I am doing. Ignore the ranters, check what it says on moderate Islamic websites. Griffin was right about Islam. We should not be opposing extremists, we should be opposing the whole religion.

AtW
7th February 2006, 20:10
He lost his hands and one eye mysteriously during a trip in Afghanistan. Sounds to me like he was learning how to make bombs.

He was fighting there against Soviet troops on money paid by USA - much like Bin Laden.

sappatz
7th February 2006, 21:51
why is this guy jailed after all ?
he is just telling what every muslim fundamentalist thinks. this is just hypocrisy from incompetent british authorities.
just read arab newspapers (so-called friendly countries) and you will know what i mean.

THIS GUY SHOULD NOT BE IN UK IN THE FIRST PLACE. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ARABS MUSLIMS IN WESTERN EUROPE. MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY DOES NOT WORK

Lucifer Box
7th February 2006, 22:37
He was fighting there against Soviet troops on money paid by USA - much like Bin Laden.
That's what he says to impress the hard of thinking. People who knew him as a young man say he was actually working on a building site and was involved in an accident.

AtW
7th February 2006, 22:53
That's what he says to impress the hard of thinking. People who knew him as a young man say he was actually working on a building site and was involved in an accident.

It seems to me that his current behavior is very much consistent with what he claims.

Lucifer Box
7th February 2006, 22:54
It seems to me that his current behavior is very much consistent with what he claims.
Don't believe me, check out his profile on the BBC website. It quite clearly agrees that he lost his eye/hands in a construction accident, not fighting the soviets.

privateeye
7th February 2006, 22:59
That's what he says to impress the hard of thinking. People who knew him as a young man say he was actually working on a building site and was involved in an accident.

No chance of him playing hookie from prison however he done it.

Fungus
7th February 2006, 23:00
Pork chops on a Friday

Bet he is looking forward to it

And stuffed rump most evenings ...

Fungus
7th February 2006, 23:01
No chance of him playing hookie from prison however he done it.

Will they take away his hooks to prevent him hanging himself?

privateeye
7th February 2006, 23:05
Will they take away his hooks to prevent him hanging himself?

I expect they will take them away as they can be used as an offensive weapon.

At least this is a terrorist who can't re-arm :D

Fungus
7th February 2006, 23:07
Don't get hung up on the extremism or otherwise of individual Muslims, look at the religion itself.

Islam is the only true religion, we are all born Muslims and Islam can have no national boundaries. Islam aims to continue what the Prophet started by making an Islamic state of the world. In the "tolerant and democratic" Islamic state, Muslims and others have an equal say provided it is only about the interpretation of Islamic law. Other religions can worship freely provide they keep very quiet about it to avoid offending Muslims. Anything contrary to Islamic law, such as being gay, will not be permitted.

If we get an Islamic state it will purely down to the outcome of the subsequent power struggle as to whether the "moderates" or the fanatics are in charge. If we are lucky, gays and others will only be imprisoned, if we are not, gays and atheists and many others will be executed and life will be totally repressive. Either way there will no more individual freedom or democracy as we know it.

If we get an Islamic state it will be all those "moderate" people, by reason of their numbers, who will deliver it.

I suggest people do what I am doing. Ignore the ranters, check what it says on moderate Islamic websites. Griffin was right about Islam. We should not be opposing extremists, we should be opposing the whole religion.

I've heard the same old racist nonsense from Jew haters, pointing out that Jews are Gods chosen people, etc. Yeah some extremist settlers believe that they are God's chosen people, that Israel is theirs by right, and so on. But most Jews are moderates. Same with Islam. Have you ever talked to any Muslims? Most here appreciate our open culture, and the freedoms they have, unlike in oppressive Arab countries, where most people live in fear.

Something I detest is blatant racism regardless of the individual.

The strength of this country is its ability to tolerate diversity of opinion (and no not the bastard multiculturalism bollox), though some scum bags such as Hamza have been allowed to get away with preaching murder for far too long. Why?

sappatz
7th February 2006, 23:29
Islam and christianity are messianic religions (they pretend to convert the whole world to their faith) thats why they will clash.
Dont forget that christianity was forced upon populations by colonial powers like the Bristish.

THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. in some countries, in the middle of nowhere you will find a brand new gigantic mosque financed by saudi wahabi regime (the so-called US friends) just besides the old christian church.
There is a war there, for the conversion of souls and influence.

islam is the main arm of arab imperialism.

xoggoth
7th February 2006, 23:32
I suggest Fungus that you do what I said, check out Islamic websites for yourself, not the ranting ones, but the moderate ones that believe they are presenting a positive view of Islam. THEN, when you've done that, come back and tell me I'm wrong about its ambitions.

Or maybe you think I should just totally ignore what I read and have a vague trust in the goodness of human nature. Of course there are Christians as bad, who would like to imprison homosexuals etc, (as we did only a few decades ago) the difference is that christianity is declining and that threat is receeding.

foritisme
8th February 2006, 13:09
Just been reading about him - he's only 47 !! Though he was in his sixties, and to think I was going to give up pork.

ratewhore
8th February 2006, 13:31
He was fighting there against Soviet troops on money paid by USA - much like Bin Laden.


He was marking out a safe route through an old minefiled working on a building project financed by the Saudis (I believe).

:cool2:

The Lone Gunman
8th February 2006, 13:32
Fungus (and others of the same opinion):

Like Xoggy, I have read the Koran a number of times, I have also followed the history of Islam, it all adds up to a frightening future.

Remember at all times that for a Muslim the Koran is the word of God. They can not be selective in which bits they believe and obey. It is all or nothing.

The Koran tells Muslims to be peaceful and moderate when living under a covenant of protection.
It tells them they must fight for Islam when they have the power to do so.
It tells them to kill Muslims who have turned from the path just the same as they must kill those who refuse to follow the path at all.

It does not matter how tolerant and peaceful we are or they are now, once Muslims hold sway they must follow the Koran.

As Xoggy says, go buy a copy and read it. Then read the traditions to get a feel for the wisdom of Islam and then make up your own mind. You can not listen to the moderates as it is their job to beguile. It is all in the Koran and the traditions.

AlfredJPruffock
8th February 2006, 13:56
While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security

It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty

Won't fall upon them naturally

Life sometimes
Must get lonely.

darmstadt
8th February 2006, 22:43
While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security

It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty

Won't fall upon them naturally

Life sometimes
Must get lonely.

"With regard to freedom of expression there are basically two
positions: you defend it vigorously for views you hate, or you
reject it in favor of Stalinist/Fascist standards."