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HMS Astute running aground

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    HMS Astute running aground

    Tulip happens but interesting point in the article in the Telegraph

    But there are some other big numbers to bear in mind - the first three Astute class submarines (HMS Astute, Ambush and Artful) cost the Government £3.8bn, according to last year's National Audit Office report, compared with an initial contract for £2.58bn.

    That report also showed the project was 47 months late, with an original in-service date for Astute of May 2005.

    What caused this four-year delay? The end of the Cold War and the gap between designing the Trafalgar class submarines meant a lot of nuclear submarine-building experience had disappeared, and contractor BAE Systems struggled with Astute's computer-aided design. Eventually, in 2003, the Ministry of Defence had to promise more money and help was enlisted from US submarine builder Electric Boat, owned by General Dynamics.
    Would that be BAE itself or the outsourced subbies struggling?

    Thought CAD was pretty old hat
    How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think

    #2
    Does it have to change its name to HMS Ditzy now?

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      #3
      Originally posted by Troll View Post
      Tulip happens but interesting point in the article in the Telegraph

      Would that be BAE itself or the outsourced subbies struggling?

      Thought CAD was pretty old hat
      Not the software suite that BAE use for designing subs, no.

      It's not the same stuff that Ikea use for their kitchens.

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        #4
        If it was on Sea Trials, then chances are they've turned something off to check something else and it went a bit wrong.

        It's like when the Trafalgar hit the bottom in 2002, they neglect to say it was actually the Perisher boat at the time and when they hit the bottom they were doing blind runs. Think 'Hunt for Red October'.

        These things don't just hit the bottom for no reason.
        "I hope Celtic realise that, if their team is good enough, they will win. If they're not good enough, they'll not win - and they can't look at anybody else, whether it is referees or any other influence." - Walter Smith

        On them! On them! They fail!

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          #5
          When they say computer-aided design, they mean it was designed to be computer-aided.
          I remember reading the BBC article about its launch and they were talking about the drive-by-wire navigation or similar like they have in aircraft.

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            #6
            It's captains job not to send boat where it can run ashore, unless there is fault in sonars etc it's the captain who is at fault here.

            HTH

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              #7
              Originally posted by Incognito View Post
              These things don't just hit the bottom for no reason.
              For what reason do two subs run into each other in the middle of the Atlantic?
              How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think

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                #8
                Originally posted by Troll View Post
                For what reason do two subs run into each other in the middle of the Atlantic?
                Usually because one is chasing the other (or both play this game) and they get too close.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  It's captains job not to send boat where it can run ashore
                  A submarine can hit the ground anywhere

                  Maybe they want to check how tough it is.

                  Maybe they're demonstrating what happens with budget cuts.
                  Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                  I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                  Originally posted by vetran
                  Urine is quite nourishing

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
                    Maybe they want to check how tough it is.
                    The usual way for subs to do it is to go deeper in the water

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