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RichardCranium
26th October 2010, 10:26
Every ClientCo I've been on where there's been Windows NT / 2000 / XP the Windows Defrag has been unavailable because you have to have admin rights to run it. Also, every one of these machines has had half a dozen profiles on it, shedloads of temporary files, and desperate need for a general tidy up and defrag.

Why are PCs configured such that the user cannot run the Windows Defrag?

SupremeSpod
26th October 2010, 10:30
Every ClientCo I've been on where there's been Windows NT / 2000 / XP the Windows Defrag has been unavailable because you have to have admin rights to run it. Also, every one of these machines has had half a dozen profiles on it, shedloads of temporary files, and desperate need for a general tidy up and defrag.

Why are PCs configured such that the user cannot run the Windows Defrag?

Now, why do you think a program that shuffles bits of data on a hard disk should be restricted to admin?

Mich the Tester
26th October 2010, 10:30
Every ClientCo I've been on where there's been Windows NT / 2000 / XP the Windows Defrag has been unavailable because you have to have admin rights to run it. Also, every one of these machines has had half a dozen profiles on it, shedloads of temporary files, and desperate need for a general tidy up and defrag.

Why are PCs configured such that the user cannot run the Windows Defrag?

Because in any organisation larger than 3 people a legion of jobsworths is employed to prevent you doing anything worthwhile.

Funny how the same answer can be used for multiple questions.

RichardCranium
26th October 2010, 10:43
Now, why do you think a program that shuffles bits of data on a hard disk should be restricted to admin?To make the people with admin rights feel important?

SupremeSpod
26th October 2010, 10:44
To make the people with admin rights feel important?

You've got it! :banana:

kandr
26th October 2010, 10:45
Now, why do you think a program that shuffles bits of data on a hard disk should be restricted to admin?

What like copying/moving/deleting files, that isn't restricted and that changes the logical layout of the file system, whereas defragging shouldn't

SupremeSpod
26th October 2010, 10:48
What like copying/moving/deleting files, that isn't restricted and that changes the logical layout of the file system, whereas defragging shouldn't

Have a think about what defragging a disk does to "so-called" deleted files...

Learn a little about computer hardware and file-systems then come back to me.

kandr
26th October 2010, 10:54
Have a think about what defragging a disk does to "so-called" deleted files...

Learn a little about computer hardware and file-systems then come back to me.

It removes any trace of them, so they can't be undeleted? But so to would copying loads of files, after deleting. The free space would be used. I can kinda see your point though, although once a file is deleted (not recycled) all bets are off whether you can recover it.

SupremeSpod
26th October 2010, 11:03
It removes any trace of them, so they can't be undeleted? But so to would copying loads of files, after deleting. The free space would be used. I can kinda see your point though, although once a file is deleted (not recycled) all bets are off whether you can recover it.

Not exactly true, specialist equipment can recover data sometimes.

Mich the Tester
26th October 2010, 11:04
Maybe RC needs to permanently remove the cookies from his pron surfing.

vetran
26th October 2010, 11:33
in any decent organisation this would be controlled centrally and scheduled.

Why admin - Defrag has to have rights to the whole drive, file copy delete has only rights where the admin allows you. If its set right it should be just your my documents and unless needed by programs nowhere else.

minestrone
26th October 2010, 11:58
Not exactly true, specialist equipment can recover data sometimes.

Yup, if your hard drive is big and the file is small, the data will be there for anyone to recover.

clientCo asked me to put in a request for the GWT plugin install which they did after 2 weeks, 2 weeks after they hired me as a GWT developer.

jame
27th October 2010, 07:54
I dont know the technicalities of it but in my work place, apparently the IT department has been able to successfully manage defrag jobs by setting one of the commercial completely automatic defrag utilities on the job. It seems that has almost eliminated the manual work involved in this.

swamp
27th October 2010, 09:11
Use an SSD.

gingerjedi
27th October 2010, 09:20
Use an SSD.

How would that help?

SupremeSpod
27th October 2010, 09:59
I dont know the technicalities of it but in my work place, apparently the IT department has been able to successfully manage defrag jobs by setting one of the commercial completely automatic defrag utilities on the job. It seems that has almost eliminated the manual work involved in this.

C:\defrag c: -f -v :bang:

Simples

RichardCranium
28th October 2010, 20:03
And ditto for ScanDisk.

Sysman
29th October 2010, 12:05
It causes me endless amusement that the two new machines in the lab are tied down so tightly that it won't run upgrades in the "managed software".

It downloaded an upgrade to Adobe this morning but didn't do anything with it because it requires admin rights to install.

Oh yes, if you have admin rights, you can't use the network.

It's sort of catch 22, you see.

This summer I was doing one day a week elsewhere. Every single week for 3 months Adobe did its download bit then couldn't install.

The answer to the original question is that the admins should set up defrag to run as a background job in the middle of the night, (or at some other time where machines are switched off overnight).

swamp
29th October 2010, 14:25
How would that help?

Solid State Disks don't need to be defragged.

gingerjedi
29th October 2010, 15:09
Solid State Disks don't need to be defragged.

Just been looking into this and it looks as though you are right! Although data does get spread (deliberately) the speed more than compensates and a defrag would just wear out the sectors by doing unnecessary read/writes.