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Francko
2nd November 2010, 09:04
Am I being the only one here who started to hate all consultant-based roles?

Problem is the request for consultants is increasing and the one for contractors is decreasing.

Anybody share the same hate? At the end you have the same insecurity as a contractor, the lack of team feeling and the salary of a permie.

Even worse when lots of travel is involved.

alreadypacked
2nd November 2010, 09:13
Am I being the only one here who started to hate all consultant-based roles?

Problem is the request for consultants is increasing and the one for contractors is decreasing.

Anybody share the same hate? At the end you have the same insecurity as a contractor, the lack of team feeling and the salary of a permie.

Even worse when lots of travel is involved.

I mainly do a consultant role, but normally short term. Come in get everything set-up bring the team up to speed then get out.

I like it really, I have several offers for next year. But I know my skills have a sell by date, I'm not sure how long they will last. But so far so good. :D

Every job has it's insecurities these days, for us it's more in your face that permies. But permies can get a false sense of security and loseing a job can really mess their lives up. for us it's just NEXT.

CheeseSlice
2nd November 2010, 09:20
Am I being the only one here who started to hate all consultant-based roles?

Problem is the request for consultants is increasing and the one for contractors is decreasing.

Anybody share the same hate? At the end you have the same insecurity as a contractor, the lack of team feeling and the salary of a permie.

Even worse when lots of travel is involved.

Are you a permie at the moment then?

I was in this situation before I started contracting. It was worse than a typical permie consultant role in that the company even stopped looking for new work for me. I was at a clientco where I was passed between several big name projects and the money just kept rolling in. Everyone else on these projects was a contractor on good rates, and I just got my permie salary pittance, whilst the consultancy rode the gravy train and some sales person who never showed his head got a nice fat sales commission for my renewals. :suicide:

Francko
2nd November 2010, 09:40
Are you a permie at the moment then?

I was in this situation before I started contracting. It was worse than a typical permie consultant role in that the company even stopped looking for new work for me. I was at a clientco where I was passed between several big name projects and the money just kept rolling in. Everyone else on these projects was a contractor on good rates, and I just got my permie salary pittance, whilst the consultancy rode the gravy train and some sales person who never showed his head got a nice fat sales commission for my renewals. :suicide:

Yes I guess the main problem is being a consultant permie within a consultancy company. I guess it's justified if it's one of the top (read micrsoft,ibm, oracle, tibco, etc.) just because it looks too good on the cv but for the others there is no point.

I would not see any problem to be a contractor consultant (though nowadays it doesn't pay much more than a permie role).

At least as a contractor you don't get to work when there is absolutely no work (and believe me, having to work when there is no work at all is worse than working).

Unfortunately the crisis is what it is and we can't be that picky at the end. But I'll still try to resist as much as I can not to take another consultant-permie job.

kandr
2nd November 2010, 09:47
Yes I guess the main problem is being a consultant permie within a consultancy company. I guess it's justified if it's one of the top (read micrsoft,ibm, oracle, tibco, etc.) just because it looks too good on the cv but for the others there is no point.

I would not see any problem to be a contractor consultant (though nowadays it doesn't pay much more than a permie role).

At least as a contractor you don't get to work when there is absolutely no work (and believe me, having to work when there is no work at all is worse than working).

Unfortunately the crisis is what it is and we can't be that picky at the end. But I'll still try to resist as much as I can not to take another consultant-permie job.

I am not a consultant but a contractor, and have been assigned to a dead project, no-one taking ownership of it (at PM level), I'm just seeing out the last month and don't expect to do any more work. Ah well an invoice is an invoice.

SupremeSpod
2nd November 2010, 09:51
Am I being the only one here who started to hate all consultant-based roles?

Did anyone else here read this in a "It ain't half hot mum!" stylee?

Pondlife
2nd November 2010, 09:52
I would not see any problem to be a contractor consultant (though nowadays it doesn't pay much more than a permie role)

Why would you think that? Maybe it's slightly limited to SAP .net but often contractors are alongside IBM/Accidenture doing the same roles.

alreadypacked
2nd November 2010, 09:55
Why would you think that? Maybe it's slightly limited to SAP .net but often contractors are alongside IBM/Accidenture doing the same roles.

Some of us a setting up stuff for Accidenture and getting them up to speed :D

Francko
2nd November 2010, 09:56
Did anyone else here read this in a "It ain't half hot mum!" stylee?

Hi Spod,

you still hold a grudge after years and years. I suspect it's time for you to grow up, isn't it?

Peace?

SupremeSpod
2nd November 2010, 10:00
Hi Spod,

you still hold a grudge after years and years. I suspect it's time for you to grow up, isn't it?

Peace?

I was attempting to being humourous. Stop being so defensive!

Francko
2nd November 2010, 10:12
I was attempting to being humourous. Stop being so defensive!

Ok that was mildly funny. You are on probation out of my ignore list. :laugh

Aman
2nd November 2010, 23:11
Am I being the only one here who started to hate all consultant-based roles?

Problem is the request for consultants is increasing and the one for contractors is decreasing.

Anybody share the same hate? At the end you have the same insecurity as a contractor, the lack of team feeling and the salary of a permie.

Even worse when lots of travel is involved.

All but two of the consultancy roles I have worked in have been working within a team of consultants.

My first consultant position was a staff one I was transferred to from another role. I was barely months out of uni and probably didn't know my anus from my olecranon. At the time I only wanted to be a team member, get some training and learn as much as possible on both the hard side and soft side of the telecom / IT profession. I was incredibly nervous to begin with, not confident I knwew enough to deal with people up to director level. I had more questions than answers and apparently that was a good thing.

I've been dropped in it many more times as a contractor than as a consultant, including abroad when there aren't colleagues around to help out. Middle management are worse to deal with than people at board level, so I'd take a similar consultancy role to my frst one over a contracting role, any day.

MarillionFan
3rd November 2010, 07:04
Am I being the only one here who started to hate all consultant-based roles?

Problem is the request for consultants is increasing and the one for contractors is decreasing.

Anybody share the same hate? At the end you have the same insecurity as a contractor, the lack of team feeling and the salary of a permie.

Even worse when lots of travel is involved.

The only issue with it is, that the client expects more blood out of a stone & you to hit the floor even faster than usual. Started yesterday on a consultancy role, I was out of the car and in to 6 straight meetings.

And now off for some more! Tatty bye!