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sunnysan
25th November 2010, 13:55
Howard Flight,

Tory peer claims welfare changes encourage poor to 'breed' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8159737/Tory-peer-claims-welfare-changes-encourage-poor-to-breed.html)

Being blunt and pragmatic is not a durable quality in politics apparently.

Just keep all the smarmy roundabout bulltulipers to feed the public a soundbite or two every now and then.

To be fair I rather fancy having a few indiscreet dinosaurs around who call a spade a spade

TimberWolf
25th November 2010, 14:04
Howard Flight,

Tory peer claims welfare changes encourage poor to 'breed' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8159737/Tory-peer-claims-welfare-changes-encourage-poor-to-breed.html)

Being blunt and pragmatic is not a durable quality in politics apparently.

Just keep all the smarmy roundabout bulltulipers to feed the public a soundbite or two every now and then.

To be fair I rather fancy having a few indiscreet dinosaurs around who call a spade a spade

:eek:

Clippy
25th November 2010, 19:07
Howard Flight,

Tory peer claims welfare changes encourage poor to 'breed' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/8159737/Tory-peer-claims-welfare-changes-encourage-poor-to-breed.html)

Being blunt and pragmatic is not a durable quality in politics apparently.

Just keep all the smarmy roundabout bulltulipers to feed the public a soundbite or two every now and then.

To be fair I rather fancy having a few indiscreet dinosaurs around who call a spade a spade

Trust the Tories to say it as it is. :yay:

Surely, its time for a return of Spitting Image too.

xoggoth
25th November 2010, 19:39
Never use the word "breed". Aside from that, the comments are entirely true and many of all classes would agree. The BBC news showed Milliband talking to some Tesco workers who did.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/3885661/Britains-generous-welfare-system-triggered-baby-boom.html


An academic study claims that an extra 45,000 babies were born to mothers who left school at 16 in the year after the "unprecedented" increase in the value of child benefits introduced by Labour.
...
The report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies concludes: "We have shown that more generous Government support coincided with an increase in births among the group most affected by the [welfare] reforms.

MrMark
25th November 2010, 20:21
As a believer in free speech, I think it's been a bad week.

AtW
25th November 2010, 20:28
As a believer in free speech, I think it's been a bad week.

It was a bad century ever since it became criminal offence to refuse to hand over decryption passwords when requested...

xoggoth
25th November 2010, 20:30
Quite. Within the obvious limits. How can we debate anything rationally if so many things, even when entirely true, are deemed off limits?

Clippy
25th November 2010, 20:30
As a believer in free speech, I think it's been a bad week.

What's the weather like in Brussels?

AtW
25th November 2010, 20:34
How can we debate anything rationally if so many things, even when entirely true, are deemed off limits?

This subject is also off limit :eyes

MrMark
25th November 2010, 20:35
What's the weather like in Brussels?

???

Wouldn't have the foggiest. But it's perishing cold here in London.