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AtW
9th January 2011, 22:27
Alan Johnson has been dogged by claims that he is not knowledgeable enough to be an effective opponent to George Osborne in times of economic hardship.

His latest slip was seized upon by both Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats as an example of his lightweight ability.

Mr Johnson appeared on Sky News on Sunday to criticise the Coalition Government’s announcement that VAT will rise to 20 per cent, a move he described as “fiscal fundamentalism”.

Labour wants to increase national insurance as a way of tackling the deficit.

Accused of being an economic “novice”, Mr Johnson said: “The accusation of economic novice is that when you take over a new job, you have to ensure that you bone up on these things.”
A few seconds later, presenter Dermot Murnaghan asked the shadow minister to give the current rate of employers’ national insurance contributions.

Mr Johnson tried to avoid the question before he said it would increase by one per cent, rising from 20 per cent to 21 per cent.

Mr Murnaghan interrupted, to say: “Sorry, National Insurance, employers' secondary class one-rate for employers, stands at the moment at …?”

There was an awkward pause where Mr Johnson appeared unable to answer before the presenter came to his rescue, telling him the figure of 12.8 per cent.

Mr Murnaghan went on: “Right, OK, I helped you out there. Just out of interest, there is still a lot to learn for you in terms of the job.”

The shadow chancellor replied: “There's not a lot to learn about how we tackle this deficit.”

Source: Alan Johnson struggles over National Insurance rates on live television - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/8249198/Alan-Johnson-struggles-over-National-Insurance-rates-on-live-television.html)

:rollin:

Shadow Chancellor does not know what NI rate is, but he wants to get it up by 1 per cent!!! :eyes

Freamon
9th January 2011, 22:30
Gordon Brown would have known the answer, but that doesn't mean he was a good Chancellor.

AtW
9th January 2011, 22:33
Gordon Brown would have known the answer, but that doesn't mean he was a good Chancellor.

No, but if you don't even know the answer to the tax rate you plan to increase then it makes you even worse than Gordon Brown.

HTH

RichardCranium
9th January 2011, 22:37
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/may2009/9/8/alan-johnson-pic-dm-732346568.jpg


Who is he, anyway?

Freamon
9th January 2011, 22:47
No, but if you don't even know the answer to the tax rate you plan to increase then it makes you even worse than Gordon Brown.

HTH
Sometimes (as I think you've demonstrated in the past) a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

AtW
9th January 2011, 23:00
Sometimes (as I think you've demonstrated in the past) a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Life is a dangerous thing - those who want to take #2 job in the country dealing with fundamental economic problems should at the very least be competent with core numbers, especially if they plan to change them - the guy is ex-postman, career politician who should have never ever been allowed to be ever remotely close to economic affairs.

He makes Osborne look professional and that says everything :frown

Freamon
9th January 2011, 23:08
Life is a dangerous thing
Whoosh.

- those who want to take #2 job in the country dealing with fundamental economic problems should at the very least be competent with core numbers, especially if they plan to change them - the guy is ex-postman, career politician who should have never ever been allowed to be ever remotely close to economic affairs.

He makes Osborne look professional and that says everything :frown
In case you hadn't noticed, I wasn't defending him.

AtW
9th January 2011, 23:26
In case you hadn't noticed, I wasn't defending him.

I know, you can't even defend yourself :eyes

RichardCranium
9th January 2011, 23:43
Who is he, anyway?To answer my own question:

Proper lower-class upbringing, via grammar school which he did not complete, shelf stacker then postie. Politics to the far left, worked his way up the union structure (a good way of avoiding work which, even as a postie, is occasionally expected) to General Secretary of the Communication Workers Union.

So, apart from teenage years as a shelf-stacker, has not really done any real work; he is a "professional politician". I.e. parasite.

Was Parliamentary Private Secretary to 'our special friend' Dawn Primarolo in 1997. :winker:

When in the Cabinet, did not seem able to hold a post for 12 months.

As Health Secretary, criticised a breast cancer patient for attempting to buy a cancer treatment which the NHS had denied her. (Silly arse.)

When the medical profession stood up to government and went public with the proof cannabis ain't good for the mental health and ecstasy shouldn't be classed the same as heroin, he was the bloke wot sacked the Chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, Professor David Nutt, because "I cannot have public confusion between scientific advice and government policy". That is, the professor refused to tell lies for the government. (Seven members of the Advisory Council then resigned.)

As Home Secretary, Johnson insisted that the torture of Guantanamo Bay detainees had been “baseless, groundless accusations” and he covered up earlier statements that the Security Service had failed to respect human rights and deliberately misled Parliament.


So, the man is an incompetent liar who has never held down either a proper job nor a political one, and his decisions are poor and politically motivated.

AtW
9th January 2011, 23:59
He makes Ed Balls look like a competent economist - he should have stuck to sorting out Royal Mail as he is supposedly competent as post delivery :eyes

CheeseSlice
10th January 2011, 06:55
those who want to take #2 job

Wasn't it a surprise appointment by Red Ed?

Johnson wasn't a likely shadow chancellor candidate by any means. If anything, I think this only highlights Eds poor judgement as leader of the opposition.

shaunbhoy
10th January 2011, 08:47
To answer my own question:

Proper lower-class upbringing, via grammar school which he did not complete, shelf stacker then postie. Politics to the far left, worked his way up the union structure (a good way of avoiding work which, even as a postie, is occasionally expected) to General Secretary of the Communication Workers Union.

So, apart from teenage years as a shelf-stacker, has not really done any real work; he is a "professional politician". I.e. parasite.

Was Parliamentary Private Secretary to 'our special friend' Dawn Primarolo in 1997. :winker:

When in the Cabinet, did not seem able to hold a post for 12 months.

As Health Secretary, criticised a breast cancer patient for attempting to buy a cancer treatment which the NHS had denied her. (Silly arse.)

When the medical profession stood up to government and went public with the proof cannabis ain't good for the mental health and ecstasy shouldn't be classed the same as heroin, he was the bloke wot sacked the Chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, Professor David Nutt, because "I cannot have public confusion between scientific advice and government policy". That is, the professor refused to tell lies for the government. (Seven members of the Advisory Council then resigned.)

As Home Secretary, Johnson insisted that the torture of Guantanamo Bay detainees had been “baseless, groundless accusations” and he covered up earlier statements that the Security Service had failed to respect human rights and deliberately misled Parliament.


So, the man is an incompetent liar who has never held down either a proper job nor a political one, and his decisions are poor and politically motivated.

Cut to the Chase RC. Do you rate him or not?

:laugh

VectraMan
10th January 2011, 09:57
Wasn't it a surprise appointment by Red Ed?

Johnson wasn't a likely shadow chancellor candidate by any means. If anything, I think this only highlights Eds poor judgement as leader of the opposition.

Ed's such a lightweight himself he really couldn't have afforded to have anyone halfway competent in such an important position as shadow chancellor.

SueEllen
10th January 2011, 11:02
Ed's such a lightweight himself he really couldn't have afforded to have anyone halfway competent in such an important position as shadow chancellor.

There's me thinking that the purpose of a good leader was surrounding yourself with competent people so you look good as well..................

RichardCranium
20th January 2011, 17:09
He's a goner.

Johnson 'quitting shadow Cabinet' (http://www.politics.co.uk/news/opinion-former-index/legal-and-constitutional/johnson-quitting-shadow-cabinet--$21386778.htm)

It was just announced on PM on Radio 4.

administrator
20th January 2011, 17:16
Oh joy. Replaced by Ed Balls. BoC's the lot of them.

suityou01
20th January 2011, 17:17
Oh joy. Replaced by Ed Balls. BoC's the lot of them.

:spel Bunch of bananas

RichardCranium
20th January 2011, 17:22
He's been sacked.

In full: Alan Johnson's resignation statement (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12243394)


Here is the full text of a statement from Alan Johnson on his resignation as shadow home secretary:

"I have decided to resign from the Shadow Cabinet for personal reasons to do with my family.Yeah. Sacked.
I have found it difficult to cope with these personal issues in my private life whilst carrying out an important frontbench role.I.e. sacked.
I am grateful to Ed Miliband for giving me the opportunity to serve as Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.Definitely sacked.
He is proving to be a formidable leader of the Labour Party and has shown me nothing but support and kindness.Kind enough to let him say he resigned.
My time in Parliament will now be dedicated to serving my constituentsThat'll be a novel experience for him
and supporting the Labour Party.Serve himself, more like, as he has always done.
I will make no further comment about this matter."Good. Clear off.

cojak
20th January 2011, 17:49
He's been sacked.

In full: Alan Johnson's resignation statement (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12243394)

Yeah. Sacked.I.e. sacked.Definitely sacked.Kind enough to let him say he resigned.That'll be a novel experience for himServe himself, more like, as he has always done.Good. Clear off.
:laugh
I'm expecting to see you as a roving reporter on Ten O'Clock Live with that concise and insightful analysis and conclusion.... :D

MrMark
20th January 2011, 21:06
Is AtW really Ed Miliband? Spooky...

Doggy Styles
20th January 2011, 22:55
Is AtW really Ed Miliband? Spooky...Does AtW like cheese? Big clue if he does.

Platypus
21st January 2011, 09:49
He's been sacked.

Also seems like his missus was shagging her police protection officer :laugh

TimberWolf
21st January 2011, 09:51
Also seems like his missus was shagging her police protection officer :laugh

Practising safe sex?