There's an interesting example here of a climate change dogmatist trying to browbeat skeptic Prof Freeman Dyson.
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Originally posted by suityou01 View PostWhat happened to the revelation that climate data had been falsified and emails bounding around from the pro agw scientists admitting this? How this even still has legs is beyond me
let's say that I've never seen an elephant, so I don't believe in them. In order to convince me that elephants exist, you send me loads of photos of elephants. However, it turns out that one of the photos of elephants isn't genuine. It's a photo of an empty zoo cage, with a very realistic drawing of an elephant photoshopped into it. Maybe you knew that, and maybe you didn't. It still doesn't make all your other photos any less valid or convincing.
The UEA emails are interesting to some and might show some dodgy conduct, but they aren't essential to the whole debate.Comment
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Well if next winter is going to be as cold as this and last winter, I'm emigrating somewhere warm. Either that or putting some heating on.
Anyone else not used their central heating yet?*
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Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostDoes it contain the words moron, bedwetter and village idiot. If not, I'm not interested.
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Originally posted by AtW View PostYou forgot word "cretin".
HTHWhat happens in General, stays in General.You know what they say about assumptions!Comment
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostWell if next winter is going to be as cold as this and last winter, I'm emigrating somewhere warm. Either that or putting some heating on.
Anyone else not used their central heating yet?*
*only open to UK residentsDoing the needful since 1827Comment
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Originally posted by thunderlizard View PostWell,
let's say that I've never seen an elephant, so I don't believe in them. In order to convince me that elephants exist, you send me loads of photos of elephants. However, it turns out that one of the photos of elephants isn't genuine. It's a photo of an empty zoo cage, with a very realistic drawing of an elephant photoshopped into it. Maybe you knew that, and maybe you didn't. It still doesn't make all your other photos any less valid or convincing.
The people who send you the photos have never seen one either. They 'know' it exists because they have a computer model that proves that there are small animal, bigger animals, much bigger animals, so therefore there must be a VERY big animal.
plus they have found a great big massive heap of steaming sh1te. now, where did THAT come from. Its unprecedented, no animal EVER has produced such a heap. therefore there must be a big animal.
except we know that there did used to be big animals, we can prove it.
So there is a large area of doubt. Now you are admitting that these guys are dodgy to boot and they want £10000000000 ? for a cage
hmmm. I will wait till you catch one TL if its all the same to you
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Is Steve Connor - the science editor of the Independant - a scientist? Has he had any scientific training? I'd guess not, as he seems to be following the usual humanities degree approach to what scientific proof actually means, and what experimental evidence is.
In history, for example, the "truth" is determined by consensus. What most people who have studied it think, and agree is the truth of what happened. In science it's not. If it's verifiable or falsifiable, then evidence will show whether it's likely to be true. If it's neither - it isn't science.
I note that Steve Connor has a rather uncomplimentary entry in badscience.net
So - journalist vs scientist over a question of science. Journalist is a pillock for picking the fight.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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