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    Mervyn King's interview with the Telegraph shows that the intellectual and emotional gap between the governor of the Bank of England and the UK's big banks is now of almost unimaginable size.

    His view of what they do and how they do it is a universe away from their own self-image.

    It is where he compares the banks with manufacturers that he is particularly damning.

    Many manufacturers, for King, " care deeply about their workforce, about their customers and, above all, are proud of their products". But what about banks? "There isn't that sense of longer-term relationships. There's a different attitude towards customers. Small and medium firms really notice this: they miss the people they know," he says.



    The financial industry, he claims, is poisoned by the idea that "if it's possible to make money out of gullible or unsuspecting customers, particularly institutional customers, that is perfectly acceptable". And he contrasts that attitude with decent businesses which "keep a clear vision of who their customers are, and are run by people who don't think they should simply maximise profits next week".

    He also returns to his theme of the investment banks as gamblers in a casino, complaining that over the past 25 years, banks have increasingly "taken bets with other people's money" and where the "the rules of the game are that they get bailed out if it all goes wrong".

    In the frantic taxpayer-subsidised casino, all trust between the players evaporated: "Financial services don't like the word 'casino', but instruments were created and traded only within the financial community. It was a zero sum game. No one knew which ones were winners when the crisis hit. Everyone became a suspect. Hence, no one would provide liquidity to any of those institutions."

    Source: BBC - Peston's Picks: Is entente impossible between governor and banks?

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    Well well, isn't that nice for him to say the obvious? It's as if he wasn't Govt of Bank of England for the last few years and did exactly fook all about it.

    It seems to me that "independent" BoE just does things that suits current Govt.

    #2
    The BoE exists for the benefit of the big banks. Merv is just trying to distract attention from this, apparently with some success.
    "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester Freamon

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      #3
      Originally posted by Freamon View Post
      The BoE exists for the benefit of the big banks. Merv is just trying to distract attention from this, apparently with some success.
      Aye.

      HSBC reveals plans to quit London for Hong Kong - Telegraph

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        #4
        And? The BoE is not the govt.
        "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester Freamon

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          #5
          Originally posted by Freamon View Post
          The BoE is not the govt.
          You are correct yet again.

          BoE is not the Govt, it is Govts sockpuppet.

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            #6
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            You are correct yet again.

            BoE is not the Govt, it is Govts sockpuppet.
            Not really, in fact the opposite is true, that's the point I was making when I said that the BoE exists solely for the benefit of the big banks.

            Bank Charter Act 1844 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester Freamon

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              #7
              Originally posted by Freamon View Post
              Not really, in fact the opposite is true, that's the point I was making when I said that the BoE exists solely for the benefit of the big banks. Bank Charter Act 1844 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
              B0llox. Just most of other stuff on economics that you post.

              BoE has got exclusive rights to print money, so what? That's common in most countries.

              What's more important is who calls the shots, ie who really makes decision whether to change rates, or to print money - until some time recently there was an illusion that BoE was doing it because it was supposedly "independent", I always thought it was a steaming pile of bulltulip - it is obvious now even to andyW that BoE is anything but independent: they are a puppet of the Govt like they used to be before their supposed "independence".

              Why? Because nobody gives independence just like this - it has to be earned in blood just like Americans did, only after that freedom is truly valued.

              HTH

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                #8
                Originally posted by AtW View Post
                B0llox. Just most of other stuff on economics that you post.

                BoE has got exclusive rights to print money, so what? That's common in most countries.

                What's more important is who calls the shots, ie who really makes decision whether to change rates, or to print money - until some time recently there was an illusion that BoE was doing it because it was supposedly "independent", I always thought it was a steaming pile of bulltulip - it is obvious now even to andyW that BoE is anything but independent: they are a puppet of the Govt like they used to be before their supposed "independence".

                Why? Because nobody gives independence just like this - it has to be earned in blood just like Americans did, only after that freedom is truly valued.

                HTH
                Any evidence to support this at all? Thought not.
                "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester Freamon

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Freamon View Post
                  Any evidence to support this at all? Thought not.
                  BoE's job is to ensure inflation is in check - they've got very specific target in this respect. The tools that are available to them is interest rates: even if you accept that prior to crisis they could not technically raise rates because Govt excluded cost of rent/mortgages from inflation figures, but later when even official inflation gone through the roof they MUST have done their job: raise rates instead of dropping them.

                  Now that would certainly be against Govts wishes - both old Labour and new Conservative. I don't think Merv is incompetent - he is just obeying orders (who cares if they are unwritten - this country lives by unwritten constitution) and his actions speak louder than his words.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by AtW View Post
                    BoE's job is to ensure inflation is in check - they've got very specific target in this respect. The tools that are available to them is interest rates: even if you accept that prior to crisis they could not technically raise rates because Govt excluded cost of rent/mortgages from inflation figures, but later when even official inflation gone through the roof they MUST have done their job: raise rates instead of dropping them.

                    Now that would certainly be against Govts wishes - both old Labour and new Conservative. I don't think Merv is incompetent - he is just obeying orders (who cares if they are unwritten - this country lives by unwritten constitution) and his actions speak louder than his words.
                    The whole interest rate setting MPC "inflation" targeting process is a massive smokescreen. Rates aren't low because the BoE is keeping them low. Rates are low because there is no demand from businesses to borrow money, because businesses are not expanding. This isn't what the govt wants, as benign economic growth is contrary to their aims of staying in power. So if the BoE had any influence here, and was in the govt's pocket, you can bet they would prefer rates to go higher. Low rates, on the other hand, suits the banks very nicely as it allows them to recapitalise.

                    0.5% base rates are a symptom of a sick economy, and this is entirely against the govt's wishes. They'd much rather have rates at 5% and have a good economic recovery - govts are much more popular in those circumstances.

                    Meanwhile, the BoE continues a massive power-grab in the form of QE, and now owns 25% of the uk govt debt market. Think for a second about the power this gives them over the idiots in Westminster.

                    And behind the scenes, they continue to lobby on behalf of the banks and the corporation of London.
                    "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester Freamon

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