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MarillionFan
7th March 2011, 15:57
Are Tom & Katie a pair of dummies? | The Sun |Showbiz|Bizarre (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3451517/Are-Tom-Katie-a-pair-of-dummies.html)

"Opinions differ on the subject but it's generally accepted that children should not use a dummy much past the age of six months. "

What a load of rubbish.

You must breast feed a child otherwise you will do them harm
Must be quiet at the table and not take them to a restaurant where other miserable people may be eating
They mustn't be too thin or too fat
Cannot suck their thumb as that's bad for their teeth.
Shouldn't have a bottle after a certain age.
Must read at age 4

Plus, just had to get a form signed by the teacher at the local school that says I am allowed to take my four year old daughter out of school, but if absences are not recorded than I am committing a legal offense!!!!!!!!!

Who the **** do these people think they are????!!!!!

MF in (can't be bothered to post this on Mumsnet as they're all a little too nasty while compared to fluffy bunny posters on CUK) Mode.

cailin maith
7th March 2011, 15:59
I wish they would leave that child alone.

FiveTimes
7th March 2011, 16:02
and you have to send a letter in to the school saying that your child will be wearing goggles during the class swimming lessons.

FFS the goggles were recommended by the swim club they go to. But for some reason you need to send a letter in to school to "protect" them in case something happens.

sasguru
7th March 2011, 16:04
Send them to public school.
Next!

MarillionFan
7th March 2011, 16:06
Send them to public school.
Next!

(See post about Public School earlier) :winker:'s

MaryPoppins
7th March 2011, 16:34
Are Tom & Katie a pair of dummies? | The Sun |Showbiz|Bizarre (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3451517/Are-Tom-Katie-a-pair-of-dummies.html)

"Opinions differ on the subject but it's generally accepted that children should not use a dummy much past the age of six months. "


But, but...dummies shut them up?

2BIT
7th March 2011, 16:41
[url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3451517/Are-Tom-Katie-a-pair-of-dummies.html]

Cannot suck their thumb as that's bad for their teeth.


to be fair my sister sucked her finger when she was young and it acted like a reverse-brace and pushed her teeth out so she was buck-toothed, she then wore a brace for about 4 years to correct them

DimPrawn
7th March 2011, 16:44
Are Tom & Katie a pair of dummies? | The Sun |Showbiz|Bizarre (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3451517/Are-Tom-Katie-a-pair-of-dummies.html)

"Opinions differ on the subject but it's generally accepted that children should not use a dummy much past the age of six months. "

What a load of rubbish.

You must breast feed a child otherwise you will do them harm
Must be quiet at the table and not take them to a restaurant where other miserable people may be eating
They mustn't be too thin or too fat
Cannot suck their thumb as that's bad for their teeth.
Shouldn't have a bottle after a certain age.
Must read at age 4

Plus, just had to get a form signed by the teacher at the local school that says I am allowed to take my four year old daughter out of school, but if absences are not recorded than I am committing a legal offense!!!!!!!!!

Who the **** do these people think they are????!!!!!

MF in (can't be bothered to post this on Mumsnet as they're all a little too nasty while compared to fluffy bunny posters on CUK) Mode.

I might be reading this wrong, but I have a feeling MF has a house full of illiterate, fat, dummy sucking, anti-social, buck toothed kids.

Churchill
7th March 2011, 16:46
I might be reading this wrong, but I have a feeling MF has a house full of illiterate, fat, dummy sucking, anti-social, buck toothed kids.

Well, he is a yank :winker:

MarillionFan
7th March 2011, 16:47
But, but...dummies shut them up? Exactly!


I might be reading this wrong, but I have a feeling MF has a house full of illiterate, fat, dummy sucking, anti-social, buck toothed kids.

Now Dim, pop this in your mouth and we can all get some rest.

http://pictures.directnews.co.uk/liveimages/Dummy_554_18189992_0_0_14317_300.jpg

(It's one of Suityou's he spat out)

MarillionFan
7th March 2011, 16:48
Well, he is a yank :winker:

We're discussing thumb sucking here Churchy, you're in the wrong thread, bedwetting is next door.

Churchill
7th March 2011, 16:50
We're discussing thumb sucking here Churchy, you're in the wrong thread, bedwetting is next door.

Does your wife know you're on the charlie when you're supposed to be looking after the kids?

EternalOptimist
7th March 2011, 17:15
Does your wife know you're on the charlie when you're supposed to be looking after the kids?

<snort>

Incognito
8th March 2011, 09:58
Are Tom & Katie a pair of dummies? | The Sun |Showbiz|Bizarre (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/3451517/Are-Tom-Katie-a-pair-of-dummies.html)

"Opinions differ on the subject but it's generally accepted that children should not use a dummy much past the age of six months. "

What a load of rubbish.

Who the **** do these people think they are????!!!!!

MF in (can't be bothered to post this on Mumsnet as they're all a little too nasty while compared to fluffy bunny posters on CUK) Mode.

It's well documented that extended periods of dummy / digit sucking can hamper the development of children's teeth and may require corrective treatment later.

The BDA recommend limited use of dummies and to try and wean children off them at a young age.

However no doubt you know best Ham Shank.

TimberWolf
8th March 2011, 10:02
It's well documented that extended periods of dummy / digit sucking can hamper the development of children's teeth and may require corrective treatment later.

The BDA recommend limited use of dummies and to try and wean children off them at a young age.

However no doubt you know best Ham Shank.

It never did this child any harm
http://www.testmonkeydesigns.com/blogPhotos/buck-teeth.jpg

TykeMerc
8th March 2011, 10:04
What does AIBU stand for? Seen it posted a couple of times and I've no idea what it's supposed to mean.

Pondlife
8th March 2011, 10:07
What does AIBU stand for? Seen it posted a couple of times and I've no idea what it's supposed to mean.

Am I Being Unreasonable. It turned up after we went on holiday to mumsnet I think.


As for the OP. It's probably the least of this kids' issues.

EternalOptimist
8th March 2011, 10:10
It never did this child any harm
http://www.testmonkeydesigns.com/blogPhotos/buck-teeth.jpg


eek. you got me there.
I had to do a double take on that one:emb




:rolleyes:

TimberWolf
8th March 2011, 10:18
eek. you got me there.
I had to do a double take on that one:emb




:rolleyes:

Here's another little darling

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F1F_HHfCPWQ/SPPv6IVlHyI/AAAAAAAAAEw/gRNOm0bSXQg/s320/Buck+Teeth.JPG

EternalOptimist
8th March 2011, 10:20
Here's another little darling

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F1F_HHfCPWQ/SPPv6IVlHyI/AAAAAAAAAEw/gRNOm0bSXQg/s320/Buck+Teeth.JPG

I gotta get me a novelty dummy. Do they do them for cats ? that would really sh1t the missus up, hehhe


:rolleyes:

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 10:20
Plus, just had to get a form signed by the teacher at the local school that says I am allowed to take my four year old daughter out of school, but if absences are not recorded than I am committing a legal offense!!!!!!!!!

To be fair to the teacher, the form wasn't given to any other parents, so it sounds like well-targeted risk management, rather than nanny state.

TykeMerc
8th March 2011, 10:20
Am I Being Unreasonable. It turned up after we went on holiday to mumsnet I think.

Ah thanks, that particular acronym has passed me by.

TimberWolf
8th March 2011, 10:23
I gotta get me a novelty dummy. Do they do them for cats ? that would really sh1t the missus up, hehhe


:rolleyes:

Dunno, but they do do them for naked mole-rats:

http://michna.com/images/molerat_handheld.jpg

Not sure why they're called "naked" mole rats :rolleyes:
Naked Mole Rats (http://michna.com/molerats.htm)

Women, you may wince now.

2BIT
8th March 2011, 10:24
I gotta get me a novelty dummy. Do they do them for cats ? that would really sh1t the missus up, hehhe
:

good luck with getting your cat to wear a dummy :happy

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 10:24
To be fair to the teacher, the form wasn't given to any other parents, so it sounds like well-targeted risk management, rather than nanny state.

If you want to take your children out of school during term time you must fill in a request form and get a teacher to sign it. You are only allowed to take your kids out of school for two weeks in any year, and the school can reject the request. WHO THE **** DO THEY THINK THEY ARE??

They get Inset days(5 per year), 6 weeks in the summer, numerous half terms, strike at the drop of a hat and finish at 3.30. ******* spongers. Come the revolution teachers, estate agents, traffic wardens and hairdressers are all top of my list.

EternalOptimist
8th March 2011, 10:25
Dunno, but they do do them for naked mole-rats:

http://michna.com/images/molerat_handheld.jpg

Not sure why they're called "naked" mole rats :rolleyes:
Naked Mole Rats (http://michna.com/molerats.htm)

Women, you may wince now.

thats your saus with a novelty 'japs eye' dummy

confess


:rolleyes:

Cliphead
8th March 2011, 10:25
good luck with getting your cat to wear a dummy :happy

Which end?

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 10:27
If you want to take your children out of school during term time you must fill in a request form and get a teacher to sign it. You are only allowed to take your kids out of school for two weeks in any year, and the school can reject the request. WHO THE **** DO THEY THINK THEY ARE??

They get Inset days(5 per year), 6 weeks in the summer, numerous half terms, strike at the drop of a hat and finish at 3.30. ******* spongers. Come the revolution teachers, estate agents, traffic wardens and hairdressers are all top of my list.

No, really, it's just you. They've assessed your anger management issues.

2BIT
8th March 2011, 10:27
They get Inset days(5 per year), 6 weeks in the summer, numerous half terms, strike at the drop of a hat and finish at 3.30. ******* spongers. Come the revolution teachers, estate agents, traffic wardens and hairdressers are all top of my list.

why hairdressers? I would rather cull postal workers...

When I worked at a school it was unarguable that the teachers there worked very hard and many did a lot of extra-curricular activities as well so worked evenings and weekends - that said they are a very institutionalised bunch the younger ones fresh from uni seemed to have had no exposure to a world outside of education - made them a rather strange and insular bunch - but hard workers! :grin

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 10:30
why hairdressers? I would rather cull postal workers...

When I worked at a school it was unarguable that the teachers there worked very hard and many did a lot of extra-curricular activities as well so worked evenings and weekends - that said they are a very institutionalised bunch the younger ones fresh from uni seemed to have had no exposure to a world outside of education - made them a rather strange and insular bunch - but hard workers! :grin

£12 for a trim! £60 to do a perm for a women. ******* shysters. Line them up. Line them up I say!!!

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 10:34
£12 for a trim! £60 to do a perm for a women. ******* shysters. Line them up. Line them up I say!!!

You've got in the wrong way round. Come my revolution, first up against the wall will be Rolf Harris holding a poorly little kitten. Then you will all know that I mean business.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 10:35
You've got in the wrong way round. Come my revolution, first up against the wall will be Rolf Harris holding a poorly little kitten. Then you will all know that I mean business.

It goes without saying that the Aussies and kittens will be first against the wall.

TimberWolf
8th March 2011, 10:57
thats your saus with a novelty 'japs eye' dummy

confess


:rolleyes:

How could you possibly associate a naked mole rat with a saus? I bet the women all want one now. They like burrows.

http://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/02/090224133328.jpg

EternalOptimist
8th March 2011, 10:59
How could you possibly associate a naked mole rat with a saus? I bet the women all want one now. They like burrows.

http://images.sciencedaily.com/2009/02/090224133328.jpg

jeez. it would take some woman to get the wrinkles out of THAT rascal



:rolleyes:

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:00
If you want to take your children out of school during term time you must fill in a request form and get a teacher to sign it. You are only allowed to take your kids out of school for two weeks in any year, and the school can reject the request. WHO THE **** DO THEY THINK THEY ARE??

They get Inset days(5 per year), 6 weeks in the summer, numerous half terms, strike at the drop of a hat and finish at 3.30. ******* spongers. Come the revolution teachers, estate agents, traffic wardens and hairdressers are all top of my list.

Funny I used to think that until I started going out with a primary school teacher. She doesn't get home until 7 of an evening and then she's sat marking books and planning the lesson for tomorrow. By the time she's off the laptop it's past ten at night.

The better part of Sunday night is spent scheduling the week as well. It doesn't help she has year six which apparently is Sats hell.

Who'd be a teacher, you'd have some wanky yank** moaning at you because they want to take their kids out of school during term time because the tat shop hasn't been generating top dollar and so they can't afford holidays during the statutory holiday season. Then complaining because their kid flunks their Sats because they were sunning it up in Benidorm instead of learning about angles and fractions.

Oh and if his kids want to suck a dummy at the age of four then they damn will suck a dummy at the age of four because he's an American and he knows his rights goddammit.

:eyes

** entirely fictional person and author does not intend this to reflect on any poster past or present on this here messageboard.

TimberWolf
8th March 2011, 11:01
jeez. it would take some woman to get the wrinkles out of THAT rascal



:rolleyes:

First job is to get the teeth out...

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:04
First job is to get the teeth out...

You are Wayne Rooney and I claim my free interview with Sir Alex....

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 11:08
Some bollocks
:eyes

Oh woe is me. Incognito once managed to get his leg over with a primary school teacher and is now an expert on the world of teaching.

It's not rocket science. Bit of colouring in, counting to ten, making sure they don't fall in the sandpit. To be a primary school teacher you need to have the educational equivalent of a C at GCSE , be able to gurn at small children and be handy with crayons. I can see why she was attracted to you. :eyes

TimberWolf
8th March 2011, 11:11
Oh woe is me. Incognito once managed to get his leg over with a primary school teacher and is now an expert on the world of teaching.

It's not rocket science. Bit of colouring in, counting to ten, making sure they don't fall in the sandpit. To be a primary school teacher you need to have the educational equivalent of a C at GCSE , be able to gurn at small children and be handy with crayons. I can see why she was attracted to you. :eyes

I think that's applicable to university lecturers these days too.

Coalman
8th March 2011, 11:19
Oh woe is me. Incognito once managed to get his leg over with a primary school teacher and is now an expert on the world of teaching.

It's not rocket science. Bit of colouring in, counting to ten, making sure they don't fall in the sandpit. To be a primary school teacher you need to have the educational equivalent of a C at GCSE , be able to gurn at small children and be handy with crayons. I can see why she was attracted to you. :eyes

You really don't have a clue do you?

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:20
Oh woe is me. Incognito once managed to get his leg over with a primary school teacher and is now an expert on the world of teaching.

It's not rocket science. Bit of colouring in, counting to ten, making sure they don't fall in the sandpit. To be a primary school teacher you need to have the educational equivalent of a C at GCSE , be able to gurn at small children and be handy with crayons. I can see why she was attracted to you. :eyes

Not quite, she's one of those new fangled Maths specialists the last government pushed through. Course seems to have a lot of emphasis on child psychology as well.

You keep scrabbling away at the tat son.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:22
You really don't have a clue do you?

Meet MF, he has many guises you'll soon get to know them. Basic test -> if the character is irritating then chances are he's pulling the strings.

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 11:23
You really don't have a clue do you?

He definitely doesn't.

Even better he can try teaching around one of those sh*tholes around London where people think it's acceptable to send their children to school at age 4 in nappies, unable to eat with cutlery, unable to talk and with a dummy.

BTW it's amazing how many parents don't know that shouting "Shut the **** up" to their child doesn't equal engaging in conversation with them.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 11:24
He definitely doesn't.

Even better he can try teaching around one of those sh*tholes around London where people think it's acceptable to send their children to school at age 4 in nappies, unable to eat with cutlery, unable to talk and with a dummy.

Oh. So you've met Incognito as well. Small world.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 11:25
He definitely doesn't.

Even better he can try teaching around one of those sh*tholes around London where people think it's acceptable to send their children to school at age 4 in nappies, unable to eat with cutlery, unable to talk and with a dummy.

You clearly haven't seen his CRB report.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:27
Oh. So you've met Incognito as well. Small world.

You're losing this one, quick throw in some random comment about licking chutney spoons, that one went down a treat quite well last time you used it.

:eyes

2BIT
8th March 2011, 11:30
£12 for a trim! £60 to do a perm for a women. ******* shysters. Line them up. Line them up I say!!!

heh heh, fair play - I do my own so it's free!

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 11:30
You're losing this one, quick throw in some random comment about licking chutney spoons, that one went down a treat quite well last time you used it.

:eyes

You really are quite clueless. :eyes

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 11:30
Oh. So you've met Incognito as well. Small world.

No darling being female I have quite a few teacher friends plus friends and acquaintances who work in the social work and medical child development and abuse areas. I also had the pleasure of house sharing with some teachers (male and female) a few years back.

All I learnt if you want to do that shit job in the public sector then teach in a Girls' secondary school in a wealthy area if you want an easy life.

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 11:31
heh heh, fair play - I do my own so it's free!

You do your own perm :eek:

2BIT
8th March 2011, 11:34
You do your own perm :eek:

damn scooby! why not? although to call it a perm would be an insult to Michael Bolton, it's more of a crimp :puke:

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:34
You really are quite clueless. :eyes

Yes, I'm the one without a clue.

:eyes

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 11:35
No darling being female I have quite a few teacher friends plus friends and acquaintances who work in the social work and medical child development and abuse areas. I also had the pleasure of house sharing with some teachers (male and female) a few years back.

All I learnt if you want to do that tulip job in the public sector then teach in a Girls' secondary school in a wealthy area if you want an easy life.

Jeez. I only said I think that being a Primary school teacher is only a step up from being a childminder and you get rounded on. It's not like I put a cat in a bin is it?

Sheesh.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:36
Jeez. I only said I think that being a Primary school teacher is only a step up from being a childminder and you get rounded on. It's not like I put a cat in a bin is it?

Sheesh.

You're just an easy target, deal with it.

:winker:

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 11:41
Jeez. I only said I think that being a Primary school teacher is only a step up from being a childminder and you get rounded on. It's not like I put a cat in a bin is it?

Sheesh.

Well if you make comments without speaking to more than one person who deals with the children that shit parents drag up in this country what do you expect?

Even being wealthy is no guarantee that your child won't act like a shit. One of my mates got threatened by a 7 year old because she told him off. He was going to set his dad - a doctor on her. Luckily she worked in a school where the parents didn't retaliate. In another of my mate's schools it was common to have the police in everyday due to the parents threatening the teachers.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 11:47
Well if you make comments without speaking to more than one person who deals with the children that tulip parents drag up in this country what do you expect?

Even being wealthy is no guarantee that your child won't act like a tulip. One of my mates got threatened by a 7 year old because she told him off. He was going to set his dad - a doctor on her. Luckily she worked in a school where the parents didn't retaliate. In another of my mate's schools it was common to have the police in everyday due to the parents threatening the teachers.

I didn't say that there are not crappy kids in the world, I said it's a piss easy job, consisting of colouring in and making hats out of paper with lots of time off and that you need the educational standard of someone who would be interested in getting their leg over with Incognito and who are they to tell me when I can take my kids out of school when I pay there wages.

Anyway I'm in the right, but as you're a women I apologise.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 11:48
Who needs a holiday in Mumsnet eh

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 11:51
Who needs a holiday in Mumsnet eh

I think we all do.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 11:53
I think we all do.

Do I need to get Sue Ellen to sign off the absence form?

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 11:54
Do I need to get Sue Ellen to sign off the absence form?

:tongue

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 11:54
Do I need to get Sue Ellen to sign off the absence form?

You do, yes.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 11:56
I didn't say that there are not crappy kids in the world, I said it's a piss easy job, consisting of colouring in and making hats out of paper with lots of time off and that you need the educational standard of someone who would be interested in getting their leg over with Incognito and who are they to tell me when I can take my kids out of school when I pay there wages.


Well for a start I hope they're teaching your children all about homophones and the correct context in which to use them.

To think, you're trying to make a point on other people's educational standards. Oh the ironing. (TM Churchill)

:eyes

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 12:01
Well for a start I hope they're teaching your children all about homophones and the correct context in which to use them.

Well considering his children still use dummies and are noisy in restaurants they probably being told why they don't need a dummy (without damaging their self-esteem) plus how to sit down at a table, use cutlery and engage in polite conversation at the dinner table at an appropriate volume.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:03
Well considering his children still use dummies and are noisy in restaurants they probably being told why they don't need a dummy (without damaging their self-esteem) plus how to sit down at a table, use cutlery and engage in polite conversation at the dinner table at an appropriate volume.

Have you got / met small kids, SueEllen?!

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 12:07
Well considering his children still use dummies and are noisy in restaurants they probably being told why they don't need a dummy (without damaging their self-esteem) plus how to sit down at a table, use cutlery and engage in polite conversation at the dinner table at an appropriate volume.

My children are happy, healthy, intelligent and loud. A chip off the old block.

Later today I will be teaching them on how to spot Liberal bedwetters and Nanny State Nazis. If both yourself and the deluded idiot above would like to PM me your linkedin accounts I can show them real pictures instead of using the Daily Mail insert.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:07
Have you got / met small kids, SueEllen?!

I have friends whose kids are impeccably well behaved. I also have friends whose kids are terrors. All in the parenting I suppose, but I'm not there yet so can't really say.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 12:09
Have you got / met small kids, SueEllen?!

But it's a continuum, isn't it? Imagine what MF's are like.

'Can I have a fag, Dad?'

'No, fack off and wait 'til you're five, like your brothers.'

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 12:10
But it's a continuum, isn't it? Imagine what MF's are like.

'Can I have a fag, Dad?'

'No, fack off and wait 'til you're five, like your brothers.'

Don't be ridiculous. Smoking is bad for them.

They do want to meet Uncle Charlie that daddy is always talking about though.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:11
My children are happy, healthy, intelligent and loud. A chip off the old block.



An entirely subjective view and bound to be skewed. I for instance think you are quite a good stereotypical example of a prize cock and the forum was a better place when you weren't here. An old assertion I know, but I'm sure you've heard it quite a few times by now it's almost getting like a mantra.

Is that not telling you something CyberMan?

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:13
I have friends whose kids are impeccably well behaved. I also have friends whose kids are terrors. All in the parenting I suppose, but I'm not there yet so can't really say.

Sure, sure - but it's always fun to guess I suppose.

Are you SueEllen's sockie then?

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 12:16
An entirely subjective view and bound to be skewed. I for instance think you are quite a good stereotypical example of a prize cock and the forum was a better place when you weren't here. An old assertion I know, but I'm sure you've heard it quite a few times by now it's almost getting like a mantra.

Is that not telling you something CyberMan?

The door is over there. Don't let it hit on you on the way out. :wave:

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 12:16
Don't be ridiculous. Smoking is bad for them.

They do want to meet Uncle Charlie that daddy is always talking about though.

Do you scare them off to bed with your flappy septum?

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:20
Sure, sure - but it's always fun to guess I suppose.

Are you SueEllen's sockie then?

I can confirm that SueEllen has never had her hand up me jacksie.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 12:23
I can confirm that SueEllen has never had her hand up me jacksie.

Not for the want of trying, eh?

Yesterday she wanted to do something like this :bang: to my private bits :eek

Coalman
8th March 2011, 12:23
No - let MF take his kids out of school in term time - it is actually illegal but not always enforced.

Permission for Child's Time Off in Term Time Due to Holiday - Education Letters (UK) (http://www.educationletters.co.uk/permission-for-childs-time-off-term-time-due-holiday.html)

BTW I am a parent and my wife is a primary school teacher so I do know a little bit about this subject.

And I also know that MF is a complete windup merchant and the forum cock but this attitude to teaching does piss me off.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:26
I can confirm that SueEllen has never had her hand up me jacksie.

I was just confused as to why you'd answered a question directed at her!

My point simply being (as per the original thread on the matter) that taking small kids into a non child friendly restaurant is not really appropriate, given the very fact that it's rather difficult to force small children to use cutlery and engage in polite conversation at the dinner table at an appropriate volume.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 12:31
I was just confused as to why you'd answered a question directed at her!

My point simply being (as per the original thread on the matter) that taking small kids into a non child friendly restaurant is not really appropriate, given the very fact that it's rather difficult to force small children to use cutlery and engage in polite conversation at the dinner table at an appropriate volume.

Ok, define "small" as an age.

My parents used to take my brother and I to restaurants certainly when I was 4 and my brother is 15 months younger than I am.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:33
I was just confused as to why you'd answered a question directed at her!

My point simply being (as per the original thread on the matter) that taking small kids into a non child friendly restaurant is not really appropriate, given the very fact that it's rather difficult to force small children to use cutlery and engage in polite conversation at the dinner table at an appropriate volume.

Where did she say non child friendly restaurant?

I replied as I happen to agree with her.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:34
Ok, define "small" as an age.

My parents used to take my brother and I to restaurants certainly when I was 4 and my brother is 15 months younger than I am.

I was thinking two and under, really. Teeny totters.

I could take my mate's little four year old anywhere, she's reached an age where it's possible to explain things like this to her. And bribe her.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 12:35
No - let MF take his kids out of school in term time - it is actually illegal but not always enforced.

Permission for Child's Time Off in Term Time Due to Holiday - Education Letters (UK) (http://www.educationletters.co.uk/permission-for-childs-time-off-term-time-due-holiday.html).

And that's the point. Illegal. You deem to take your children out of school, then this is deemed illegal.

So what happens if you did decide to take them out of school. Firstly you ask the permission of the school, they say no. Some teacher deems it unnecessary and says 'No'. So you go against that, and do so. It's illegal remember.

So the next thing, do you have social services around? Do they turn up mob handed to read you the riot act? You take a quick trip to Benidorm for the week in a nice all expenses 3 star hotel. What next, they take the kids off you? It's ******* stupid. My point is, the letter I was given made a big issue about it.

As it happens the school will allow a child to be out for two weeks in term time. In our case we are going last week of the school holidays and a week after(which fits in with my contracts). The cost of the holiday is £4.5k, if out of term time it's £2.5k. Either way I can afford it, but the point is, it is illegal in the UK to take a four year old out of school, while in Scotland they don't even start until five.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:37
Ok, define "small" as an age.

My parents used to take my brother and I to restaurants certainly when I was 4 and my brother is 15 months younger than I am.

I think we are talking about over 4 years old as this all started because MF was bitching that he couldn't take his kids out of school.

In my opinion, at the age of four children should be using cutlery. Keeping children entertained at a dinner table is a different argument all together. Whatever is done to entertain them shouldn't be disruptive, that's bad manners. However it seems manners is a dying concept in the UK.

cailin maith
8th March 2011, 12:37
I was thinking two and under, really. Teeny totters.

I could take my mate's little four year old anywhere, she's reached an age where it's possible to explain things like this to her. And bribe her.

4 is a good age where the kids can understand being bribed and of course the death stare that means they'll be put in the cupboard under the stairs if they are bold.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:38
Where did she say non child friendly restaurant?

I replied as I happen to agree with her.

She didn't. She was referring to a previous thread on kids and restaurants.

It's a brilliant feeling being a parental expert without kids isn't it? I remember those days fondly.

cailin maith
8th March 2011, 12:38
And that's the point. Illegal. You deem to take your children out of school, then this is deemed illegal.

So what happens if you did decide to take them out of school. Firstly you ask the permission of the school, they say no. Some teacher deems it unnecessary and says 'No'. So you go against that, and do so. It's illegal remember.

So the next thing, do you have social services around? Do they turn up mob handed to read you the riot act? You take a quick trip to Benidorm for the week in a nice all expenses 3 star hotel. What next, they take the kids off you? It's ******* stupid. My point is, the letter I was given made a big issue about it.

As it happens the school will allow a child to be out for two weeks in term time. In our case we are going last week of the school holidays and a week after(which fits in with my contracts). The cost of the holiday is £4.5k, if out of term time it's £2.5k. Either way I can afford it, but the point is, it is illegal in the UK to take a four year old out of school, while in Scotland they don't even start until five.

I thought you were going to the Canaries, not Benidorm :confused:

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:38
I was thinking two and under, really. Teeny totters.

I could take my mate's little four year old anywhere, she's reached an age where it's possible to explain things like this to her. And bribe her.

Ah, that's where we all seem to be on a tangent. I'm definitely thinking four and over.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:41
She didn't. She was referring to a previous thread on kids and restaurants.

It's a brilliant feeling being a parental expert without kids isn't it? I remember those days fondly.

I'm not a parental expert, I have my views. That may change as I have children.

However, in life you have good parents and bad parents and I believe the behaviour of a child is a reflection on the parenting.

Coalman
8th March 2011, 12:41
And that's the point. Illegal. You deem to take your children out of school, then this is deemed illegal.

So what happens if you did decide to take them out of school. Firstly you ask the permission of the school, they say no. Some teacher deems it unnecessary and says 'No'. So you go against that, and do so. It's illegal remember.

So the next thing, do you have social services around? Do they turn up mob handed to read you the riot act? You take a quick trip to Benidorm for the week in a nice all expenses 3 star hotel. What next, they take the kids off you? It's ******* stupid. My point is, the letter I was given made a big issue about it.

As it happens the school will allow a child to be out for two weeks in term time. In our case we are going last week of the school holidays and a week after(which fits in with my contracts). The cost of the holiday is £4.5k, if out of term time it's £2.5k. Either way I can afford it, but the point is, it is illegal in the UK to take a four year old out of school, while in Scotland they don't even start until five.

I agree with you on the starting at 4 business, as does a lot of the education system (apart from the law makers who have no experience of teaching).

I don't care whether you take your kids out of school - that is your issue with the school (and yes we have done it for the odd day here and there as well). The school can sometimes be financially penalised if their attendance record is not at the level required by the local education authority. This means that you taking your child out of school could potentially effect other kids education.

Oh well, typical MF.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:41
Ah, that's where we all seem to be on a tangent. I'm definitely thinking four and over.

Yes - SE referred to the old thread which is the only reason I mentioned the teeny kids.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 12:43
I'm not a parental expert, I have my views. That may change as I have children.

However, in life you have good parents and bad parents and I believe the behaviour of a child is a reflection on the parenting.

I think you may find that isn't the case either. Mine are quite well behaved, but we have friends where 2/3 children are all well behaved and the other is a little shit. I believe that's what they term ADD and another as a child slightly autistic. In both cases you would assume they were little shits and blame the parent.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:44
I think you may find that isn't the case either. Mine are quite well behaved, but we have friends where 2/3 children are all well behaved and the other is a little tulip. I believe that's what they term ADD and another as a child slightly autistic. In both cases you would assume they were little tulips and blame the parent.

Well in that particular example I'd be wrong, however I'm studying law and I'm always taught to remain objective. Which means I'm still right.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 12:48
Well in that particular example I'd be wrong, however I'm studying law and I'm always taught to remain objective. Which means I'm still right.

Hang on. I'm not a women, you can't use that line on me. :wink

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 12:48
I'm not a parental expert, I have my views. That may change as I have children.

However, in life you have good parents and bad parents and I believe the behaviour of a child is a reflection on the parenting.

That's my point. Before you have kids you assume it is as black and white as that.

I did, definitely. I sneered at the idiots who couldn't control their kids in supermarkets etc; assumed that because I have good morals and intentions, it would all be fine if I ever reproduced.

I can honestly say that as my offspring reaches that mystical 'terrible two' age bracket, in reality it's fooking carnage on a day to day basis. :happy

Churchill
8th March 2011, 12:53
That's my point. Before you have kids you assume it is as black and white as that.

I did, definitely. I sneered at the idiots who couldn't control their kids in supermarkets etc; assumed that because I have good morals and intentions, it would all be fine if I ever reproduced.

I can honestly say that as my offspring reaches that mystical 'terrible two' age bracket, in reality it's fooking carnage on a day to day basis. :happy

Take my advice, a day without beating your child is a day wasted!

YMMV :wink

Incognito
8th March 2011, 12:53
That's my point. Before you have kids you assume it is as black and white as that.


There is no grey.

:tongue


Hang on. I'm not a women, you can't use that line on me. :wink

Oh okay then, how about "do you come here often?" :wink

cailin maith
8th March 2011, 13:00
Take my advice, a day without beating your child is a day wasted!

YMMV :wink

:confused:

Churchill
8th March 2011, 13:01
:confused:

YMMV - "Your Methods May Vary"

cailin maith
8th March 2011, 13:04
YMMV - "Your Methods May Vary"

Oh... ta :smile

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 13:21
That's my point. Before you have kids you assume it is as black and white as that.

I did, definitely. I sneered at the idiots who couldn't control their kids in supermarkets etc; assumed that because I have good morals and intentions, it would all be fine if I ever reproduced.

I can honestly say that as my offspring reaches that mystical 'terrible two' age bracket, in reality it's fooking carnage on a day to day basis. :happy

You don't control kids you reward them or punish them as appropriate. They choose which they want and generally they learn with me if they want to be taken out again* they behave. Behaving includes purposely getting lost in museums when I've told them what to do if they get lost. :laugh

Oh and I would have a tantrum in a supermarket too. They are horrid places particularly if you are not allowed to touch anything, everyone is bigger than you and you aren't allowed to do some "shopping". Coming out with 3 different types of apples or some odd fruit you never tasted is a small price worth paying to keep the peace. ;)

*Punishment is not being taken out to the same place again and sticking to your word.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 13:24
You don't control kids you reward them or punish them as appropriate. They choose which they want and generally they learn with me if they want to be taken out again* they behave. Behaving includes purposely getting lost in museums when I've told them what to do if they get lost. :laugh

Oh and I would have a tantrum in a supermarket too. They are horrid places particularly if you are not allowed to touch anything, everyone is bigger than you and you aren't allowed to do some "shopping". Coming out with 3 different types of apples or some odd fruit you never tasted is a small price worth paying to keep the peace. ;)

*Punishment is being hobnailed. Rewarded is not being hobnailed.

Ftfy :D

Ignis Fatuus
8th March 2011, 13:26
...Come the revolution teachers, estate agents, traffic wardens and hairdressers are all top of my list.“A hundred years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove...but the world may be different because I was important in the life of a child.”

Sounds like a contrast between IT contractors and teachers. Better stand against the wall yourself.

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 13:32
“A hundred years from now it will not matter what my bank account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of car I drove...but the world may be different because I was important in the life of a child.”

Sounds like some shit Mother Teresa or Princess Diana would say. :sick

Seriously if you invented mass produce soap, engineered or constructed the sewers, worked out a way to clean drinking water or similar you are damn important. As without you most people wouldn't be around to reproduce.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 13:36
You don't control kids you reward them or punish them as appropriate. They choose which they want and generally they learn with me if they want to be taken out again* they behave. Behaving includes purposely getting lost in museums when I've told them what to do if they get lost. :laugh

Oh and I would have a tantrum in a supermarket too. They are horrid places particularly if you are not allowed to touch anything, everyone is bigger than you and you aren't allowed to do some "shopping". Coming out with 3 different types of apples or some odd fruit you never tasted is a small price worth paying to keep the peace. ;)

*Punishment is not being taken out to the same place again and sticking to your word.

Right. Cheers for that. :eyes

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 13:47
Right. Cheers for that. :eyes

I think she's saying your a bad parent.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 13:49
I think she's saying your a bad parent.

MP is (from the sound of it but correct me if I'm wrong) a single parent, and therefore some kind of super hero. I can't imagine what that must be like.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 13:52
MP is (from the sound of it but correct me if I'm wrong) a single parent, and therefore some kind of super hero. I can't imagine what that must be like.

Try wearing your underpants outside of your trousers and rescue a cat
from a tree.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 13:57
Try wearing your underpants outside of your trousers and rescue a cat
from a tree.

You're thinking of 'superhero', not 'super hero'. It's a shame that you're so determined that your little ones should be 'chips off the old block' in the illiteracy department.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:00
You're thinking of 'superhero', not 'super hero'. It's a shame that you're so determined that your little ones should be 'chips off the old block' in the illiteracy department.

Childline beckons!

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 14:03
Childline beckons!

Great retort springs to mind :eyes

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 14:07
Childline beckons!

Esther Rantzen has to this day never formally denied that she lures these poor vulnerable kids and turns them into to tins of London Grill.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:08
Great retort springs to mind :eyes

Like I give a damn. You're an unpleasant individual and as has been mentioned by others the forum was a better place without you.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:09
Esther Rantzen has to this day never formally denied that she lures these poor vulnerable kids and turns them into to tins of London Grill.

Blessed relief I should imagine given some of the parenting skills prevalent in some of todays society.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 14:11
Like I give a damn. You're an unpleasant individual and as has been mentioned by others the forum was a better place without you.

Incognito has your bandwagon at the moment. If you hang on for 1/2 an hour he may let you have it back. :eyes

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 14:12
Blessed relief I should imagine given some of the parenting skills prevalent in some of todays society.

But then they get fed to the next generation as an unhealthy meal and the cycle of deprivation continues. At least if they were made into lean ham slices, we'd have a chance of improving society. But then, where would Esther get next year's crop from?

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:15
But then they get fed to the next generation as an unhealthy meal and the cycle of deprivation continues. At least if they were made into lean ham slices, we'd have a chance of improving society. But then, where would Esther get next year's crop from?

If only it was thus. Then we could probably get rid of a whole trenche of society.

The one hope we do have though on a serious note is that some of the kids of bad parents will know first hand how not to ***** things up when they have kids.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 14:17
The one hope we do have though on a serious note is that some of the kids of bad parents will know first hand how not to ***** things up when they have kids.

Then things are worse than I feared.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 14:20
If only it was thus. Then we could probably get rid of a whole trenche of society.

The one hope we do have though on a serious note is that some of the kids of bad parents will know first hand how not to ***** things up when they have kids.

But it's that cycle that continues. The argument is around education and wealth.

Whereas you can come from a poor, ill-educated background, with most likely only one parent and have a good decent up bringing, we are led to believe that lack of access to money, education & two parents is what leads us to bad kids. That is why, in the first point of this thread, the nanny state believes it can interfere in every small facet of your lives.

It is of course a load of BS, and within the UK, this is down to a lack of moral guidance caused by an atheist agenda IMO.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:25
But it's that cycle that continues. The argument is around education and wealth.

Whereas you can come from a poor, ill-educated background, with most likely only one parent and have a good decent up bringing, we are led to believe that lack of access to money, education & two parents is what leads us to bad kids. That is why, in the first point of this thread, the nanny state believes it can interfere in every small facet of your lives.

It is of course a load of BS, and within the UK, this is down to a lack of moral guidance caused by an atheist agenda IMO.

Ah the fear of God.

Do you not think that a man can have morals without a belief in God?

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 14:25
But it's that cycle that continues. The argument is around education and wealth.

Whereas you can come from a poor, ill-educated background, with most likely only one parent and have a good decent up bringing, we are led to believe that lack of access to money, education & parenting leads is what leads to bad kids. That is why, in the first point of this thread, the nanny state believes it can interfere in every small facet of your lives.

It is of course a load of BS, and within the UK, this is down to a lack of moral guidance caused by an atheist agenda.

Of course there are badly brought up rich kids. They express their anti-social / sociopathic attributes by going into banking, and rarely trouble the crime statisitcs.

Of course this is not caused by an atheist agenda, but by the brave new world Mrs T brought in where we all have to look out for ourselves and f%ck everyone else.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:27
Of course there are badly brought up rich kids. They express their anti-social / sociopathic attributes by going into banking, and rarely trouble the crime statisitcs.

Of course this is not caused by an atheist agenda, but by the brave new world Mrs T brought in where we all have to look out for ourselves and f%ck everyone else.

You're blaming Margaret Thatcher for todays lack of moral fibre?

FFS, what next?

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 14:28
Ah the fear of God.

Do you not think that a man can have morals without a belief in God?

I believe that moral guidance stems from religion. I believe man can have morals without a belief in God, but it is religion that has drafted it and man benefits from it. Like it or not. True.


Of course there are badly brought up rich kids. They express their anti-social / sociopathic attributes by going into banking, and rarely trouble the crime statisitcs.

Of course this is not caused by an atheist agenda, but by the brave new world Mrs T brought in where we all have to look out for ourselves and f%ck everyone else.

Ah!. The worship of Mammon. :wink:

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 14:30
You're blaming Margaret Thatcher for todays lack of moral fibre?

FFS, what next?

We've got kids, parenting, religion & politics in the mix so far. What else is there to throw in? :rollin:

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 14:30
You're blaming Margaret Thatcher for todays lack of moral fibre?

FFS, what next?

Of course. Don't tell Dodgy, though, as he gets all upset.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:33
Of course. Don't tell Dodgy, though, as he gets all upset.

Dodgy is the bastard offspring of a drunken rutting between Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbitt, he's a little biased. It's not his fault.

His wallet is in the right place.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 14:35
Dodgy is the bastard offspring of a drunken rutting between Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbitt, he's a little biased. It's not his fault.

His wallet is in the right place.

It's kind of wrong that he fancies them both.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:36
It's kind of wrong that he fancies them both.

I never said he wasn't "a little confused"!

Anyway, he's hedging his bets.

SueEllen
8th March 2011, 14:38
I think she's saying your a bad parent.

Where the **** did I say that about MP?

Now I have implied that about you.

Churchill
8th March 2011, 14:40
Where the **** did I say that about MP?

Now I have implied that about you.

Oi MF! She called your pint a poofter!

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 15:38
MP is (from the sound of it but correct me if I'm wrong) a single parent, and therefore some kind of super hero. I can't imagine what that must be like.

It's better than being stuck with the turd that fathered him, in all honesty. :happy

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 15:41
It's better than being stuck with the turd that fathered him, in all honesty. :happy

But even so, parenthood has made Mrs OG and me in absolute awe of single parents. We can barely manage as it is and at least we can set up a rota system for emotional breakdowns. You always have to be on form.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 15:45
But even so, parenthood has made Mrs OG and me in absolute awe of single parents. We can barely manage as it is and at least we can set up a rota system for emotional breakdowns. You always have to be on form.

Look out Mary. It's a trap!

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 18:07
But even so, parenthood has made Mrs OG and me in absolute awe of single parents. We can barely manage as it is and at least we can set up a rota system for emotional breakdowns. You always have to be on form.

I don't know any different, so it's a lot easier for me than a single mother who's previously had the support of a partner.

I have to admit (in a rare moment of honesty) that it was a pretty bleak time when he was a tiny baby - it's much easier now.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 18:26
I don't know any different, so it's a lot easier for me than a single mother who's previously had the support of a partner.

I have to admit (in a rare moment of honesty) that it was a pretty bleak time when he was a tiny baby - it's much easier now.

I remember having a similar conversation with a mother of new twins.

'How do you manage?'

'What is the alternative?'

DodgyAgent
8th March 2011, 18:35
Dodgy is the bastard offspring of a drunken rutting between Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbitt, he's a little biased. It's not his fault.

His wallet is in the right place.

And what's more I got to watch the conception too

mudskipper
8th March 2011, 18:36
I don't know any different, so it's a lot easier for me than a single mother who's previously had the support of a partner.

I have to admit (in a rare moment of honesty) that it was a pretty bleak time when he was a tiny baby - it's much easier now.

:hug:

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 18:51
And what's more I got to watch the conception too

Did Maggie strap it on then Norm sh1t you out?

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 19:00
:hug:

See, who needs mumsnet?

doodab
8th March 2011, 19:20
But, but...dummies shut them up?

So do tits.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 19:25
So do tits.

Dummies are probably a bit easier when on the move though.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 19:26
:hug:

Ooh, you'll make me blush :o

Incognito
8th March 2011, 19:29
Seriously if you invented mass produce soap, engineered or constructed the sewers, worked out a way to clean drinking water or similar you are damn important. As without you most people wouldn't be around to reproduce.

Don't you bring the Romans into this.

What did the bloody Romans ever do for us.

DaveB
8th March 2011, 19:33
But, but...dummies shut them up?

There's a reason Calpol sells so well.... :rolleyes:

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 19:41
There's a reason Calpol sells so well.... :rolleyes:

and/or whiskey

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 19:41
and/or whiskey

and grandmothers.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 19:50
It is of course a load of BS, and within the UK, this is down to a lack of moral guidance caused by an atheist agenda IMO.

Where the **** do you grasp that believing in some mythical omnipotent bearded man bestows on you the concept of morality?

Pedophile priests, 9/11, Omagh bombing, Waco tragedy, Srebrenica massacre. Notice the link?

Hitler was a Catholic, Saddam Hussein was a Muslim, Jim Jones was a Protestant. Were they all moral?

A little quote for you:


With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil — but for good people to do evil — that takes religion.

You can google who said it.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 19:53
Notice the link?



Terrible grammar?

doodab
8th March 2011, 19:54
You're blaming Margaret Thatcher for todays lack of moral fibre?

Damn right


FFS, what next?

Is there such a thing as moral weetabix?

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:07
Terrible grammar?

For the pedant.

Pedophile priests, 9/11, Omagh bombing, Waco tragedy(,) and the Srebrenica massacre (serial comma included seeing how you are quite old).

Although being pedantic myself, terrible grammar didn't link those incidents; there was a single mistake. If you're going to try and be a smartarse then try and get it right.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:09
For the pedant.

Pedophile priests, 9/11, Omagh bombing, Waco tragedy(,) and the Srebrenica massacre (serial comma included seeing how you are quite old).

Although being pedantic myself, terrible grammar didn't link those incidents; there was a single mistake. If you're going to try and be a smartarse then try and get it right.

Could we have British English spelling please?

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:13
Could we have British English spelling please?

I'd have to translate for MF. Much easier this way.

If I was going to construct it in my native tongue then my reply to her would have been something along the lines of:


Away an fuk yerself ye smartarse

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 20:15
Could we have British English spelling please?

If the poster believed in God, then an Angel would have come down and corrected his spelling before he pressed 'Submit'.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:17
If the poster believed in God, then an Angel would have come down and corrected his spelling before he pressed 'Submit'.

It was correct actually. Pedophile / Paedophile are both correct spellings.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:17
If the poster believed in God, then an Angel would have come down and corrected his spelling before he pressed 'Submit'.

He did. God is American.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:19
It was correct actually. Pedophile / Paedophile are both correct spellings.

I'll be the judge of that.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:19
He did. God is American.

All hail the mighty dollar.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:21
I'll be the judge of that.

Whatever.

Definition of pedophile noun from Cambridge Dictionary Online: Free English Dictionary and Thesaurus (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/pedophile)

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:33
Whatever.

Definition of pedophile noun from Cambridge Dictionary Online: Free English Dictionary and Thesaurus (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/pedophile)

Definition of paedophile noun from Cambridge Dictionary Online: Free English Dictionary and Thesaurus (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/paedophile)

'paedophile
noun UK (US pedophile)'

Good job I'm in charge or standards would slip badly.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:36
Definition of paedophile noun from Cambridge Dictionary Online: Free English Dictionary and Thesaurus (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/paedophile)

'paedophile
noun UK (US pedophile)'

Good job I'm in charge or standards would slip badly.

It's in the Cambridge dictionary, which means it's a legitimate scrabble word. Handy if you're missing the 'a'.

I'm not disputing it is the American spelling, I am claiming it is spelled correctly. Difference.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:37
It's in the Cambridge dictionary, which means it's a legitimate scrabble word. Handy if you're missing the 'a'.

:tongue

That won't wash with us paedants.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:39
That won't wash with us paedants.

Very good. You quoted me mid edit though.

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:41
It's in the Cambridge dictionary, which means it's a legitimate scrabble word. Handy if you're missing the 'a'.

I'm not disputing it is the American spelling, I am claiming it is spelled correctly. Difference.

We like British English spellings here.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 20:51
We like British English spellings here.

Is that the proverbial 'we'?

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 20:53
Is that the proverbial 'we'?

I represent the Cabal on spelling matters.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 21:05
It was correct actually. Pedophile / Paedophile are both correct spellings.

Are you saying you're an expert on this subject?

Wodewick
8th March 2011, 21:06
I represent the Cabal on spelling matters.

Is he the Frog Rugby player CM fancies?

Incognito
8th March 2011, 21:07
I represent the Cabal on spelling matters.

I didn't know there was that many Jews on this site.

Don't let EC2Y root you out.

doodab
8th March 2011, 21:08
Are you saying you're an expert on this subject?

He had it drilled into him as a child.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 21:08
Are you saying you're an expert on this subject?

I'm not the religious one.

:eyes

Cliphead
8th March 2011, 21:10
He had it drilled into him as a child.


I'm not the religious one.

:eyes

No access to priests then :laugh

Incognito
8th March 2011, 21:16
No access to priests then :laugh

In more ways than one. :D

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 22:04
We like British English spellings here.

(and posters with a sense of humour)

Incognito
8th March 2011, 22:18
(and posters with a sense of humour)

It wasn't funny. :wink

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 22:21
(and posters with a sense of humour)

But not humor.

MarillionFan
8th March 2011, 22:23
But not humor.

Well that's how it's spelt?

Don't you start coloring it any other way.

Cliphead
8th March 2011, 22:28
Well that's how it's spelt?

Don't you start coloring it any other way.

I have to email in septic, lots of z's instead of s's :eyes

Old Greg
8th March 2011, 22:31
It wasn't funny. :wink

I'll be the judge of that.

MaryPoppins
8th March 2011, 22:32
It wasn't funny. :wink

You're the expert.

Incognito
8th March 2011, 23:15
You're the expert.

I am indeed.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 07:00
Where the **** do you grasp that believing in some mythical omnipotent bearded man bestows on you the concept of morality?

Pedophile priests, 9/11, Omagh bombing, Waco tragedy, Srebrenica massacre. Notice the link?

Hitler was a Catholic, Saddam Hussein was a Muslim, Jim Jones was a Protestant. Were they all moral?

A little quote for you:

You can google who said it.

There is order in the universe, and that order came from a source, and that source was called God.

Man has to live by a moral code, the Bible is as good as any, and better than most.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 07:18
There is order in the universe, and that order came from a source, and that source was called God.

Man has to live by a moral code, the Bible is as good as any, and better than most.

Don't think we haven't spotted your Freemasonry twaddle. And when it comes to moral codes, can we have one without 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.' (Exodus 22.18)?

There's a witch living down the road. Am I sinning by not killing her?

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 07:24
I am indeed.

An expert on what's not funny?

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 07:27
There's a witch living down the road. Am I sinning by not killing her?

Not a sin. But if the milk goes sour andnyour
Crops fail you only have yourself to blame.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 07:28
An expert on what's not funny?

I can confirm this is the case.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 07:32
Not a sin. But if the milk goes sour andnyour
Crops fail you only have yourself to blame.

I'll just skim the cream off the top of the milk of human kindess, and I'll be fine.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 08:10
There is order in the universe, and that order came from a source, and that source was called God.

Man has to live by a moral code, the Bible is as good as any, and better than most.


Don't think we haven't spotted your Freemasonry twaddle. And when it comes to moral codes, can we have one without 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.' (Exodus 22.18)?

There's a witch living down the road. Am I sinning by not killing her?

How do you know she's a Witch, does she weigh the same as a duck?

As for Freemasonry twaddle, the first line regarding order in the Universe is a quote from one of Tom Clancy's books "The Bear and the Dragon".

The latter was from the "Books to Read" section of an employee manual from a company I used to work for.

How foolish do you sound?

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 09:14
How do you know she's a Witch, does she weigh the same as a duck?

As for Freemasonry twaddle, the first line regarding order in the Universe is a quote from one of Tom Clancy's books "The Bear and the Dragon".

The latter was from the "Books to Read" section of an employee manual from a company I used to work for.

How foolish do you sound?

Freemasonry twaddle, I say. How does that quotation align with the Freemason views of the supreme being as 'Great Architect of the Universe'? The quotation may come from elsewhere but the concept is the same.

And, I still need your advice. You've promoted the bible as a moral code but I'm still not clear on the 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'. She proclaims herself a witch and practises witchcraft, so it's as open and shut a case as the Witch of Endor.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 09:32
Freemasonry twaddle, I say. How does that quotation align with the Freemason views of the supreme being as 'Great Architect of the Universe'? The quotation may come from elsewhere but the concept is the same.

And, I still need your advice. You've promoted the bible as a moral code but I'm still not clear on the 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'. She proclaims herself a witch and practises witchcraft, so it's as open and shut a case as the Witch of Endor.

You mean she's a Pagan.

Also there are many forms of 'witchcraft'. What type does she profess to practice?

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 09:39
You mean she's a Pagan.

Also there are many forms of 'witchcraft'. What type does she profess to practice?

Who cares. Let's burn her.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 09:44
An expert on what's not funny?

Exactly, right now you're hitting all the right buttons.

:eyes

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 09:45
Who cares. Let's burn her.

That's not very Christian is it? Or is it!

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 09:45
You mean she's a Pagan.

Also there are many forms of 'witchcraft'. What type does she profess to practice?

She's Wiccan and calls herself a Witch.

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 09:46
Exactly, right now you're hitting all the right buttons.

:eyes

Glad to hear it darling.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 09:50
Freemasonry twaddle, I say. How does that quotation align with the Freemason views of the supreme being as 'Great Architect of the Universe'? The quotation may come from elsewhere but the concept is the same.

And, I still need your advice. You've promoted the bible as a moral code but I'm still not clear on the 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'. She proclaims herself a witch and practises witchcraft, so it's as open and shut a case as the Witch of Endor.

Why pick on Freemasonry? That twaddle could be the beginning of an epic film about any of the major 'barking at the moon' rituals peddled to the easily influenced. What's your beef with Freemasonry. Bigot!

I thought it was the Ewoks that were from Endor. Were the witches not from Eastwick?

Incognito
9th March 2011, 09:51
Glad to hear it darling.

Yup, you've still got it baby.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 09:53
She's Wiccan and calls herself a Witch.

Well in that case, point her in my direction, I sell these doormats

http://www.fredfabulous.co.uk/ekmps/shops/fredfabulous/images/neighbourhood-witch-coir-doormat-882-p.jpg

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 09:53
That's not very Christian is it? Or is it!

Who cares, I'm evil don't forget.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 10:00
Well this hit 20 pages quite quickly didn't it.

Good trolling MF. What next?

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 10:04
Well this hit 20 pages quite quickly didn't it.

Good trolling MF. What next?

I've just applied for a shotgun license as it happens and need some advice on what make to go for and where to put the gun cabinet? Will ask the advice of the board later.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 10:08
I've just applied for a shotgun license as it happens and need some advice ... where to put the gun cabinet? Will ask the advice of the board later.

Would the gun cabinet fit up SasG's arse?

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:14
Why pick on Freemasonry? That twaddle could be the beginning of an epic film about any of the major 'barking at the moon' rituals peddled to the easily influenced. What's your beef with Freemasonry. Bigot!

I thought it was the Ewoks that were from Endor. Were the witches not from Eastwick?

But the twaddle was being promoted by a Freemason, so he needs to be teased.

The Witch of Endor was from Endor.

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 10:22
Well this hit 20 pages quite quickly didn't it.

Good trolling MF. What next?

You sound jealous.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 10:28
You sound jealous.

I think Incognito is someones 'wannabe' sockie troll. It's been poor so far though.

2/10. Could do better, but coloring in is very good.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:29
I think Incognito is someones 'wannabe' sockie troll. It's been poor so far though.

2/10. Could do better, but coloring in is very good.

'Colouring', not 'coloring'.

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 10:33
'Colouring', not 'coloring'.

'colouring' not 'Colouring'



:wink

Churchill
9th March 2011, 10:35
Freemasonry twaddle, I say. How does that quotation align with the Freemason views of the supreme being as 'Great Architect of the Universe'? The quotation may come from elsewhere but the concept is the same.

And, I still need your advice. You've promoted the bible as a moral code but I'm still not clear on the 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live'. She proclaims herself a witch and practises witchcraft, so it's as open and shut a case as the Witch of Endor.

Look to your conscience.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:35
'colouring' not 'Colouring'



:wink

I capitalised because it was as the beginning of my sentence fragment.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 10:36
She's Wiccan and calls herself a Witch.

Is she in it just for the sex?

A lot of 'em are.

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 10:37
I capitalised because it was as the beginning of my sentence fragment.

:spel

at

Churchill
9th March 2011, 10:38
But the twaddle was being promoted by a Freemason, so he needs to be teased.

The Witch of Endor was from Endor.

Epic fail. :wink

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:39
Look to your conscience.

That's what I normally do! Then you started saying I need a moral code and that the bible might help with that. So I looked at the bible and it told me not to suffer a witch to live. Rather than act on that immediately, I thought I would ask for clarification. Now you tell me to look to my conscience. Can I do away with the moral code and instead suffer the witch to live, as my conscience dictates? Where does this leave the bible as a moral code?

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:40
:spel

at

Good work!

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:40
Epic fail. :wink

It was only a gentle tease between friends.

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 10:41
Good work!

I thank you.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 10:41
It was only a gentle tease between friends.

Hence the :wink

speling bee
9th March 2011, 10:42
Well done, everyone.

MaryPoppins
9th March 2011, 10:43
It was only a gentle tease between friends.

That's how it starts. You'll be asking what he's wearing in no time.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:44
Hence the :wink

I thought it was a masonic sign.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:44
That's how it starts. You'll be asking what he's wearing in no time.

No need - trousers with one leg rolled up and a silly apron.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 10:51
No need - trousers with one leg rolled up and a silly apron.

Another fail. :p

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 10:52
Another fail. :p

Getting near the truth, are we?

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 10:59
No need - trousers with one leg rolled up and a silly apron.

If Churchy has one trouser leg up too far it's probably because CM has had his work trousers on a hot wash again.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 10:59
Getting near the truth, are we?

You'll never know. You may guess, you may have an opinion but and here's the good bit, you'll never know.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 11:02
You'll never know. You may guess, you may have an opinion but and here's the good bit, you'll never know.

Who ever truly knows anything?

Churchill
9th March 2011, 11:05
Who ever truly knows anything?

God, he knows everything. For instance he knows that MarillionFan is sat in front of his monitor watching youporn with one hand on his mouse, the other on his todger.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 11:06
God, he knows everything. For instance he knows that MarillionFan is sat in front of his monitor watching youporn with one hand on his mouse, the other on his todger.

Not when I'm in the office I don't :eek

Churchill
9th March 2011, 11:08
Not when I'm in the office I don't :eek

There's no point lying to God. He sees all. :eyes

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 11:09
There's no point lying to God. He sees all. :eyes

Cool. I like being watched. :wink:

Wilmslow

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 11:10
God, he knows everything. For instance he knows that MarillionFan is sat in front of his monitor watching youporn with one hand on his mouse, the other on his todger.

We all know that, so that is not a test.

I suspect that you are unable to prove this god, so all we have is something that you and other people happen to believe in and which is not impossible. We'll park it with the elves.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 11:13
We all know that, so that is not a test.

I suspect that you are unable to prove this god, so all we have is something that you and other people happen to believe in and which is not impossible. We'll park it with the elves.

So you deny the possibility of 'A God' or 'Universal' power?

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 11:16
So you deny the possibility of 'A God' or 'Universal' power?

What part of 'which is not impossbile' do you not understand? I know you're thick, sweetie, but really!

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 11:22
What part of 'which is not impossbile' do you not understand? I know you're thick, sweetie, but really!

Oh I do love the feeble minded. Please explain to me why, with 100% certaintity you can discount that the universe was created by Margaret Thatcher on the back of a Purple Dragon powered on Cheerios.

You cannot discount it. Same as I cannot prove it. Which means that it is an interderminate result, which in turn means a possibility.

Come back when you are all omnipotent and tell me I'm wrong then. :eyes

(Misread the bit above where you agreed with me, but my post was so good I'm not going to change it) :-)

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 11:30
Oh I do love the feeble minded. Please explain to me why, with 100% certaintity you can discount that the universe was created by Margaret Thatcher on the back of a Purple Dragon powered on Cheerios.

You cannot discount it. Same as I cannot prove it. Which means that it is an interderminate result, which in turn means a possibility.

Come back when you are all omnipotent and tell me I'm wrong then. :eyes

(Misread the bit above where you agreed with me, but my post was so good I'm not going to change it) :-)

Dear oh dear - the feeble minded indeed. My point was clearly stated - that we can say that it is possible that God exists. So we categorise the possibility that God exists, with the possibility that elves exist etc. etc. And then we get on with our lives.

Getting back on topic for the thread, I can very much see why your child's teacher is keen (with a view to giving your child the best possible educational start in life) to minimise the amount of time s/he spends with you.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 11:34
What part of 'which is not impossbile' do you not understand? I know you're thick, sweetie, but really!

Grammar, the list is not infinite therefore the correct question is:


Which part of 'which is not impossible' do you not understand?

You'll note I've corrected your spelling as well. Just call me the Paedant.

:eyes

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 11:35
Grammar, the list is not infinite therefore the correct question is:



You'll note I've corrected your spelling as well. Just call me the Paedant.

:eyes

Good work!

Incognito
9th March 2011, 11:59
Oh I do love the feeble minded. Please explain to me why, with 100% certaintity you can discount that the universe was created by Margaret Thatcher on the back of a Purple Dragon powered on Cheerios.

You cannot discount it. Same as I cannot prove it. Which means that it is an interderminate result, which in turn means a possibility.

Come back when you are all omnipotent and tell me I'm wrong then. :eyes

(Misread the bit above where you agreed with me, but my post was so good I'm not going to change it) :-)

That's a bit of a silly analogy. You can determine the proportion of the radioactive carbon-14 to the stable isotope carbon-12 within the cells of MT's cortex and from that prove how old she is. If MT age < 100 then I'm pretty certain you can discount her creating the Universe.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 12:00
Good work!

Thanks, you don't know how much your praise means to me.

:rolleyes:

shaunbhoy
9th March 2011, 12:16
Thanks, you don't know how much your praise means to me.

:rolleyes:

Should that not be...."You can't be certain just how much your praise means to me"??

:wink

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 12:41
That's a bit of a silly analogy. You can determine the proportion of the radioactive carbon-14 to the stable isotope carbon-12 within the cells of MT's cortex and from that prove how old she is. If MT age < 100 then I'm pretty certain you can discount her creating the Universe.

But it is logically possible that the Universe was created with isotopes that gave the illusion of age. During the age of discovery of fossils, what we would now call 'young earth creationists' sometimes put forward the view that fossils were placed in the rock strata at the creation as a test of the unwary.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 12:45
But it is logically possible that the Universe was created with isotopes that gave the illusion of age. During the age of discovery of fossils, what we would now call 'young earth creationists' sometimes put forward the view that fossils were placed in the rock strata at the creation as a test of the unwary.

In which case, let's all get the mats out and pray to god CUK is not the answer to life.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 12:45
Thanks, you don't know how much your praise means to me.

:rolleyes:


Should that not be...."You can't be certain just how much your praise means to me"??

:wink

I believe that mainstream epistemology would view certainty as a core component of knowledge (along with truth and belief). So the first statement (IMHO) stands.

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 12:46
In which case, lets all get the mats out and pray to god CUK is not the answer to life.

No, we ignore it all and get along with life as if none of it were true.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 12:46
But it is logically possible that the Universe was created with isotopes that gave the illusion of age. During the age of discovery of fossils, what we would now call 'young earth creationists' sometimes put forward the view that fossils were placed in the rock strata at the creation as a test of the unwary.

How many people are you hoping to convert to your crazy cult?

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 12:47
How many people are you hoping to convert to your crazy cult?

The cult of lots of things are logically possible, but we should ignore them all?

Churchill
9th March 2011, 12:49
The cult of lots of things are logically possible, but we should ignore them all?

I don't know what it is. I'm not paying attention really. :emb

I'm just making polite conversation.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 12:50
How many people are you hoping to convert to your crazy cult?

That crazy cult of his subscribe to the same belief in the same bearded old man that you goat fondlers adhere to my friend.

:wink

Old Greg
9th March 2011, 12:52
I don't know what it is. I'm not paying attention really. :emb

I'm just making polite conversation.

That's OK. I'd rather talk with someone who's not listening than with cretin-boy.

Incognito
9th March 2011, 12:54
That's OK. I'd rather talk with someone who's not listening than with cretin-boy.

That's a bit harsh. MF hasn't really been that obtuse.

Churchill
9th March 2011, 12:54
That crazy cult of his subscribe to the same belief in the same bearded old man that you goat fondlers adhere to my friend.

:wink

What bearded old man would that be?

God
Allah
Budha
Vishnu
etc.

Pick yer deity and admit your lack of knowledge in all things Goat Fondling.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 12:55
The cult of lots of things are logically possible, but we should ignore them all?

This cult of 'Lots of Things' you've created. What do you believe in?How much is it to join? Do I get a return on any investments? And do I get a discount on the grey list?

I maybe interested.

MarillionFan
9th March 2011, 12:56
What bearded old man would that be?

God
Allah
Budha
Vishnu
etc.

Pick yer deity and admit your lack of knowledge in all things Goat Fondling.

I'm fairly certain that Buddha and Allah were clean shaven. Show me a picture of Allah where he has a beard?

Incognito
9th March 2011, 12:58
What bearded old man would that be?

God
Allah
Budha
Vishnu
etc.

Pick yer deity and admit your lack of knowledge in all things Goat Fondling.

My family were all Masons and I'm a Rangers fan who travels on a very large supporters bus where the sole purpose in life seems to be signing people up to the Lodge of both flavours.

You really thing I know nothing about your fondling ways?

:wink