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**Clog II The Avenger** · 18 March 2006, 21:18

Ideology

Originally posted by Mailman

Lots of Communists out in force today to support the anti-war protest. Rather ironic when you consider that during the 20th century their "ideology" is responsible for most of the suffering inflicted upon the world

Mailman

Where do you get your facts from? There are two small communist parties in the UK. The number of members who turn out on these marches is at maximum 50. I see nothing wrong with communist ideology i.e everyone should work and contribute to society in an equal manner. The problem is that human nature gets in the way (greed and corruption) hence why the system fails.

A communist party in one country does not mean that it agrees with the policies of a communist party in another country, just as capitalist Germany may not agree with capitalist USA’s policies

**xoggoth** · 19 March 2006, 00:03

What is wrong with communism is exactly that, it is does not accord with human nature.

**mcquiggd** · 19 March 2006, 04:21

A bit like SAP/R3. You change human nature to suit the system.

**stackpole** · 19 March 2006, 08:54

Originally posted by Clog II The Avenger

I see nothing wrong with communist ideology i.e everyone should work and contribute to society in an equal manner. The problem is that human nature gets in the way (greed and corruption) hence why the system fails.

No, not greed and corruption. I think you'll find that the greed and corruption was at the top.

No, that's a load of b0ll0cks. What gets in the way is the fact that communism is unnatural, abnormal. It stifles self-reliance, ambition, individualism and freedom.

**Fungus** · 19 March 2006, 09:30

Originally posted by stackpole

No, not greed and corruption. I think you'll find that the greed and corruption was at the top.

No, that's a load of b0ll0cks. What gets in the way is the fact that communism is unnatural, abnormal. It stifles self-reliance, ambition, individualism and freedom.

Yup. The way that you encourage a farmer to produce is to let him purchase the title to his land. In a collective what motivation is there? The idea of to each according to their needs is idealistic clap trap.

**Mailman** · 19 March 2006, 11:10

Originally posted by stackpole

No, that's a load of b0ll0cks. What gets in the way is the fact that communism is unnatural, abnormal. It stifles self-reliance, ambition, individualism and freedom.

For a second there I thought you were talkin bout Teflon Blair!

Mailman

**Mailman** · 19 March 2006, 11:13

Originally posted by Clog II The Avenger

A communist party in one country does not mean that it agrees with the policies of a communist party in another country, just as capitalist Germany may not agree with capitalist USA’s policies

How many millions were murdered throughout Europe by the benevolent Communists? What about those millions murdered throughout Russia? What about the millions murdered throughout China in the name of Communism? And the rest of the millions that suffered through out the rest of Asia?

Different countries may have different versions of communism but the end result remains the same, low productivity, high central government control, high mortality rates...and the list goes on.

Mailman

**xoggoth** · 19 March 2006, 11:13

By way of balance it also has to be said that the unbridled capitalism so many espouse is hardly any more in tune with human nature.

All that is ever pushed is economic progress but human nature has many other needs too. It is capitalism that has given us globalisation where individuals don't matter and uncontrolled immigration that has destroyed any sense of nationhood.

**Fungus** · 19 March 2006, 11:39

Originally posted by xoggoth

By way of balance it also has to be said that the unbridled capitalism so many espouse is hardly any more in tune with human nature.

All that is ever pushed is economic progress but human nature has many other needs too. It is capitalism that has given us globalisation where individuals don't matter and uncontrolled immigration that has destroyed any sense of nationhood.

Indeed, but at least Western capitalism can change. We now have laws that protect workers from the sort of abuses that were commonplace 100 years ago.

Whereas Communism is a one party state that serves only to enrich the party faithful. The idea that everyone was equal was never true in Russia, or China. And the hundreds of thousands of Chinese peasants displaced from their land to create the Ynagtse dam testifies to the kindness of the Communists.

And as mentioned Mao and Stalin murdered millions of people, all in the name of the people.

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