Rates Are Depressing

[DeludedAussie]

Just look at this
Java Developer Ipswich, Suffolk Contract IT Job

£300 for a senior Java developer - I came into contracting thinking I could earn 550 a day and work with very little time of in between contracts

On the perm side things are even worse

Systems Engineer (Service Delivery) London Permanent IT Job

[russell]

Just look at this
Java Developer Ipswich, Suffolk Contract IT Job

£300 for a senior Java developer - I came into contracting thinking I could earn 550 a day and work with very little time of in between contracts

On the perm side things are even worse

Systems Engineer (Service Delivery) London Permanent IT Job

This is due to the bobs coming in with plenty cheapness. I am looking to move to a more specialised skillset that clients would be unwilling to hand out to a bob.

[moorfield]

Just look at this
Java Developer Ipswich, Suffolk Contract IT Job

£300 for a senior Java developer

That will be BT then, which explains the Bob rate.

I came into contracting thinking I could earn 550 a day and work with very little time of in between contracts

Even at an IB with Java + some niche skills + previous experience you'd be competing hard for that against Bobs 'n' Grads 'n' Benchers.

[scooterscot]

Is it not more to do with supply and demand?

New technologies are always going to pay well, however there's a risk, easily accessible subjects mean many more can jump on the band wagon, inevitably depressing rates.

Find a niche charge what you like.

[Magic]

Much cheapness

This is due to the bobs coming in with plenty cheapness. I am looking to move to a more specialised skillset that clients would be unwilling to hand out to a bob.

Do not kid yourself based on your other thread I have been doing 'Data Warehousing' since 1994 so lots of experience and worked in every role possible.

My experience over the last few years is that more managers are less technical and keep pushing the 'outsource' & 'offshore'. Just this week I was explaining to one said manager the difference between 'unit testing' & 'integration testing' to the program manager 'what a logical model was' why it might be an idea to have one especially as there is a lot of business change happening at the moment.

Maybe I have just come encountered some poorly run companies but feedback from others, it seems to be heading the same way.... much crapness, much speed and much cheapness.

I am working on my own software projects in my spare time, you got to be working on a plan B as there is going to be bugger all left in 5 to 10 years.

Plan C is to retrain as a heart surgeon, outsource that you b$%^&. Most probably B&Q will stock a DIY kit from China just as I qualify knowing my luck with buy 2 get one free.

[centurian]

On the perm side things are even worse

Systems Engineer (Service Delivery) London Permanent IT Job

"Role/Culture: If you played Star Trek as a kid, you would have been Dr Spock, every time"



Anyway, it isn't Dr Spock (who was a real person - Dr Benjamin Spock). If they're going to quote sci-fi techy tulipy stuff - at least getting the bloody facts right

[BlasterBates]

Plan C is to retrain as a heart surgeon, outsource that you b$%^&. Most probably B&Q will stock a DIY kit from China just as I qualify knowing my luck with buy 2 get one free.

You can fly to Eastern Europe and get a good quality surgeon dirt cheap. Nothing´s safe not even heart surgery.

[russell]

Do not kid yourself based on your other thread I have been doing 'Data Warehousing' since 1994 so lots of experience and worked in every role possible.

My experience over the last few years is that more managers are less technical and keep pushing the 'outsource' & 'offshore'. Just this week I was explaining to one said manager the difference between 'unit testing' & 'integration testing' to the program manager 'what a logical model was' why it might be an idea to have one especially as there is a lot of business change happening at the moment.

Maybe I have just come encountered some poorly run companies but feedback from others, it seems to be heading the same way.... much crapness, much speed and much cheapness.

I am working on my own software projects in my spare time, you got to be working on a plan B as there is going to be bugger all left in 5 to 10 years.

Plan C is to retrain as a heart surgeon, outsource that you b$%^&. Most probably B&Q will stock a DIY kit from China just as I qualify knowing my luck with buy 2 get one free.

I work in IB, and my experience is that only the low level roles go to bobs, not Architects or specialised roles. If you have been doing "Data Warehousing" for that long and can still be replaced by a bob I guess you have been doing more SQL scripting type roles for web sites etc, rather than overall architecture of a company's data. If I am wrong then I apologise.

[Magic]

I work in IB, and my experience is that only the low level roles go to bobs, not Architects or specialised roles. If you have been doing "Data Warehousing" for that long and can still be replaced by a bob I guess you have been doing more SQL scripting type roles for web sites etc.

No, even though I still code now and then, pretty much Architect role for the last ten, mainly now trying to put some in where it was thrown together by the clueless. See it happening more and more over the last few years. Managers who think 'Open Source' means you can just plug and play and it will work.

[russell]

No, even though I still code now and then, pretty much Architect role for the last ten, mainly now trying to put some in where it was thrown together by the clueless. See it happening more and more over the last few years. Managers who think 'Open Source' means you can just plug and play and it will work.

Yeah I have seen that happening, however I think more and more clients are seeing that open source + bobs != cheapness in the long run. The plus side is they hire you to sort it out.