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Wilmslow
14th September 2011, 20:09
By the skin on my teeth, but passed.

The question is, now what?

Got ITIL Service Management, ISEB testing Foundation and Intermediate.

I see this as a reasonably good balance.

Would be looking to consider moving into project management for the right opportunity. Currently working with projects in a governance capacity, although not actually running projects, but regardless very familiar and actively involved with the management of BAU projects, also projects as part of a major programme.

Are there any other quals work getting like MSP, Risk, advancing ITIL etc, or are there any thoughts about side-stepping into project management itself?

AtW
14th September 2011, 20:12
The question is, now what?

Start prepping for Prince3.

HTH

BA to the Stars
14th September 2011, 20:57
Well done. :yay:

You could also consider BA work.

MarillionFan
14th September 2011, 20:57
I did my final level in Prince some years back. Boy it was difficult.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAHfBoxyx8&feature=related

AtW
14th September 2011, 21:03
I did my final level in Prince some years back. Boy it was difficult.

You probably played for Jaffar!!!

MarillionFan
14th September 2011, 21:13
You probably played for Jaffar!!!

Pot. Kettle? How many children do you have exactly?

cojak
14th September 2011, 21:24
Well done. :yay:

You could also consider BA work.

Nah, that's boring. Go for Project Management, that's interesting and the pay's better.

You can always hire BA's to do the hard work for you...

http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-whistle-2.gif (http://www.smiley-faces.org)

DimPrawn
14th September 2011, 21:26
http://freespace.virgin.net/stuart.henson/rock/prince2.jpg

MarillionFan
14th September 2011, 21:28
Nah, that's boring. Go for Project Management, that's interesting and the pay's better.

You can always hire BA's to do the hard work for you...

http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-whistle-2.gif (http://www.smiley-faces.org)

Nah! Go for BA work. You ITIL and PM people always seem to be benched. No point getting an extra £50 per day if you spend 9 months a year on the bench.

beaker
15th September 2011, 04:01
By the skin on my teeth, but passed.

The question is, now what?

Got ITIL Service Management, ISEB testing Foundation and Intermediate.

I see this as a reasonably good balance.

Would be looking to consider moving into project management for the right opportunity. Currently working with projects in a governance capacity, although not actually running projects, but regardless very familiar and actively involved with the management of BAU projects, also projects as part of a major programme.

Are there any other quals work getting like MSP, Risk, advancing ITIL etc, or are there any thoughts about side-stepping into project management itself?

I can't believe you joined CUK in August 2007...

Wilmslow
15th September 2011, 06:26
I can't believe you joined CUK in August 2007...

Back then just had the ISEB Foundation, so not done toooo bad out of training for a permie.

Oh, forgot the HP Administrators Course in HP Quality Center, and the internal training course on conflict management where they taught me how to hunt down conflict, but not how to deal with it. Rock and roll.........

Churchill
15th September 2011, 06:39
Oi Wilmslow, if you barely passed by the skin of your teeth, may I ask if you did the Practitioners Course?

If so, where? Because either you're completely dense or the course was crap as it's sole purpose is to get you through the exam.

Oh well.

BA to the Stars
15th September 2011, 07:36
Back then just had the ISEB Foundation, so not done toooo bad out of training for a permie.

Oh, forgot the HP Administrators Course in HP Quality Center, and the internal training course on conflict management where they taught me how to hunt down conflict, but not how to deal with it. Rock and roll.........

From some of your posts you seem to have been very successful in hunting down and finding conflict

:eyes

craig1
15th September 2011, 07:58
Well done. Prince2 Practitioner qualifies you to make the tea for the proper project managers ;)

sasguru
15th September 2011, 08:04
By the skin on my teeth, but passed.

The question is, now what?

Got ITIL Service Management, ISEB testing Foundation and Intermediate.

I see this as a reasonably good balance.

Would be looking to consider moving into project management for the right opportunity. Currently working with projects in a governance capacity, although not actually running projects, but regardless very familiar and actively involved with the management of BAU projects, also projects as part of a major programme.

Are there any other quals work getting like MSP, Risk, advancing ITIL etc, or are there any thoughts about side-stepping into project management itself?

No wonder the country's going to the dogs when people learn such airy-fairy garbage. Being a developer on one large project will teach you more than any of this BS.
I think Prince, ITIL and the like are for intellectually challenged people who can't do anything useful.
And the stats bear me out, the vast majority of projects fail, IMO because the PMs haven't got a feel (or a clue) about development issues.

Wilmslow
15th September 2011, 08:09
Oi Wilmslow, if you barely passed by the skin of your teeth, may I ask if you did the Practitioners Course?

If so, where? Because either you're completely dense or the course was crap as it's sole purpose is to get you through the exam.

Oh well.

I did two preparation days – One was with Spoce who I really recommend – this was a one day preparation day with really good revision summary of the process, as well as exam prep.

I did this as self funded believing I had only three weeks notice for the practitioner exam before I was deployed to Israel and had plenty of breathing space.

The QA practitioner prep was really not worth bothering with – there was very little review of the process, certainly nothing on powerpoint or handouts, it was only going through a sample paper. There is always one person in every course asking silly questions which the instructor was not able to manage, so we made little progress. However, as I already had this sample paper, this was not adding any real benefit to me. This is 2 days of money making in my opinion. The instructor invigilated the exam while clacking noisily on her laptop and playing with her phone, which was not exactly helping the exam vibes.

The problem I had in the exam was time management of the types of questions. I should have cherry picked the easy straight questions, then spent more focussed time working on the paired matching questions, but blindly followed the questions from number one onwards. This meant I had very little time to review the answers, only 5 minutes, but enough to amend a couple to get the pass mark.

If anyone is planning to take Prince2, I would not recommend leaving a year from foundation to the practitioner, do this in the one week. Also, get the sample papers, plus any other Prince2 primer course type questions and literally lock yourself in a room for 2.5 hours with nothing but the book to master the question formats.

Bloody annoyed with myself as I know the process inside and out, just the crazy exam format that nearly cooked me!

Mich the Tester
15th September 2011, 08:15
No wonder the country's going to the dogs when people learn such airy-fairy garbage. Being a developer on one large project will teach you more than any of this BS.
I think Prince, ITIL and the like are for intellectually challenged people who can't do anything useful.
And the stats bear me out, the vast majority of projects fail, IMO because the PMs haven't got a feel (or a clue) about development issues.

whs, ...and managers who don't understand anything about human beings.

Churchill
15th September 2011, 08:56
whs, ...and managers who don't understand anything about human beings.

mov ax,ds:[WMTTS]
adc ax,1
mov ds:[WMTTS],ax
mov ax,4c00
int 21

JayLondon
15th September 2011, 13:53
I completed and passed my PRINCE2 exams a few months back. I would say it was easier for me since I used a PRINCE2 eLearning package from prince2-online. I didn't even read much in the PRINCE2 manual...

Churchill
15th September 2011, 14:15
I completed and passed my PRINCE2 exams a few months back. I would say it was easier for me since I used a PRINCE2 eLearning package from prince2-online. I didn't even read much in the PRINCE2 manual...

lmfao!

Blatant or what?

Oi Referee!!!

DodgyAgent
15th September 2011, 14:17
Why dont you have a crack at a GCSE ?

cojak
15th September 2011, 14:19
lmfao!

Blatant or what?

Oi Referee!!!

Hey, I stripped the URL. I always like to nuance of allowing 'internet marketers' see their lovingly crafted missives butchered by Mods, it's much more satisfying that simply deleting the posts and banning the numpties (I' can do that later... ) :happy

AtW
15th September 2011, 14:27
mov ax,ds:[WMTTS]
adc ax,1
mov ds:[WMTTS],ax
mov ax,4c00
int 21

*sigh*

Still stuck in 16 bit code-land?

Churchill
15th September 2011, 14:29
*sigh*

Still stuck in 16 bit code-land?

Admit it, you syntax checked it, didn't you? Go on nobody will(can) think any the less of you.

Project Monkey
15th September 2011, 14:42
Passing the Prince2 exam is a piece of piddle, applying the theory is another matter. Prince2 is useful, but it shouldn't be your entry point to PM.

Its like studying a development metyhodology in the hope that it'll teach you to write code.

Mich the Tester
15th September 2011, 14:44
Its like studying a development metyhodology in the hope that it'll teach you to write code.

You mean it won't?

doh, silly me

Churchill
15th September 2011, 14:45
Passing the Prince2 exam is a piece of piddle, applying the theory is another matter. Prince2 is useful, but it shouldn't be your entry point to PM.

Its like studying a development metyhodology in the hope that it'll teach you to write code.

Not according to our Wilmslow, he said it was proper hard core! It could be that Wilmslow is a bit thick - he is a permy, after all is said and done...

AtW
15th September 2011, 14:55
Admit it, you syntax checked it, didn't you? Go on nobody will(can) think any the less of you.

I've compiled it to make sure it works, googled x86 reference to make sure inc ax isn't going to be better than adc ax and considered challenging you to another asm competition but decided since it's 2:0 anyway I don't need to prove anything and I got no time to waste with proving the obvious. ;)

Liamxtype
15th September 2011, 16:09
[QUOTE=Wilmslow;1392821]I did two preparation days – One was with Spoce who I really recommend – this was a one day preparation day with really good revision summary of the process, as well as exam prep.

+1 for Spoce, I passed the Prince2 Practitioner in August with them.