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    Rating Agencies

    Pinched this from Reuters...

    Oct. 20 (Bloomberg) -- The European Union may ban credit- ratings companies from making assessments of nations receiving European or international bailouts as part of plans for tougher regulation of the industry.

    “We are actively considering suspending or banning ratings” in cases where nations are making “full efforts” to implement assistance programs, Michel Barnier, the EU’s financial services commissioner, told reporters in Brussels today. The measure may be included in a draft law that Barnier will present in November.

    The EU may also force the companies to disclose the internal analyses they use when they decide to cut a government’s rating, according to Barnier, who said that he wanted to ensure “there is a clear method” behind such downgrades.

    EU governments have criticized decisions by ratings companies to downgrade Greek, Irish and Portuguese sovereign debt even though the countries are receiving international assistance, saying that the decisions are unjustified and exacerbate the region’s fiscal crisis.

    The European Commission said that a four-level cut of Portugal’s credit rating in July by Moody’s Investors Service added “an additional element of uncertainty” to the country’s situation.

    “Based on news reports” the commission’s planned measures “appear to include allowing regulators to interfere with credit-rating agencies’ views and even forbidding CRAs to publish sovereign ratings,” Daniel Piels, a spokesman for Moody’s said in a phone interview.

    Increase Volatility

    “Proposals such as these will undermine investors’ confidence in European credits, disrupt access to capital markets for sovereign and corporate issuers and increase volatility in the European credit market,” Piels said.

    Barnier said today the plans “are not final” and that a decision still has to be taken on them by the commission. They would then need to be approved by national governments in the EU and the European Parliament before they can take effect.

    Barnier said last week the measures are likely to include ways to increase diversity in the ratings market without creating a new European ratings company.

    The Financial Times reported that the EU officials are considering forcing issuers of financial products in Europe to regularly change the ratings company they use, to open up competition and avoid conflicts of interest, according to a draft of the proposal seen by the newspaper.

    “The credit ratings agency engaged should not be in place for more than three years or for more than a year if it rates more than ten consecutive rated debt instruments of the issuer,” the newspaper quoted the draft as saying.
    Looks like the Ratings agencies may be in for a bit of a

    #2
    Typical EU. We don't like what you're saying so we'll ban you.
    ...my quagmire of greed....my cesspit of laziness and unfairness....all I am doing is sticking two fingers up at nurses, doctors and other hard working employed professionals...

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      #3
      Originally posted by Lockhouse View Post
      Typical EU. We don't like what you're saying so we'll ban you.
      Or could they have a point? Just how "neutral" are the Ratings Agencies?

      I can see why they'd want to stop the clock while the sh!t is sorted out, no-one wants to chase a rolling ball down a hill.

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        #4
        Watch Inside Job for how rating agencies are embroiled in the whole financial scam. That film is truly eye opening.

        IIRC One rating agency was in court after the 2008 crisis and their excuse for rating sub-prime mortgages (nicely repackaged to conceal that fact) as AAA:

        "Our rating is just an opinion and shouldn't be relied on when making financial decisions".

        I call that 'doing a ratner'.
        Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
        Feist - I Feel It All
        Feist - The Bad In Each Other (Later With Jools Holland)

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          #5
          Originally posted by Churchill View Post
          Or could they have a point? Just how "neutral" are the Ratings Agencies?

          I can see why they'd want to stop the clock while the sh!t is sorted out, no-one wants to chase a rolling ball down a hill.

          WHS

          Ratings agencies are crock of Septic tulipe

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            #6
            Originally posted by PAH View Post
            Watch Inside Job for how rating agencies are embroiled in the whole financial scam. That film is truly eye opening.

            IIRC One rating agency was in court after the 2008 crisis and their excuse for rating sub-prime mortgages (nicely repackaged to conceal that fact) as AAA:

            "Our rating is just an opinion and shouldn't be relied on when making financial decisions".

            I call that 'doing a ratner'.
            Watched "Margin Call" at the weekend, a bit disappointed not much real information in the movie, like how did the start? how much did they make or lose in the end?
            Guess the script was redacted to less than 10 pages, when it got back from the lawyer

            Margin Call (2011) - IMDb
            Fiscal nomad it's legal.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Lockhouse View Post
              Typical EU. We don't like what you're saying so we'll ban you.
              Or; we don't like charlatans who are at best clueless and at worst corrupt speculating on the future of countries they don't understand and couldn't give a tulip about, especially when they've already fooked over most of the world by stamping 'AAA solid gold investment' on gold coloured boxes containing nothing but dogtulip.

              It's a good job for those ratings agencies and their staff that the average bod in the street doesn't know what they do or what they did and what effect it's had on nearly everybody's investments and pensions, because if Joe Average understood it the ratings agencies staff wouldn't be able to enter or leave their offices safely without half the bloody SAS guarding them.
              Last edited by Mich the Tester; 25 October 2011, 11:33.
              And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                #8
                Which is why only mugs rob banks with a shotgun these days. The biggest criminals work in the financial industry and do it all 'legally'.


                I'm seriously thinking of freezing my pension. I can see all those monthly contributions being worth feck all by the time I'm at retirement age, which will probably be 100+ soon.
                Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
                Feist - I Feel It All
                Feist - The Bad In Each Other (Later With Jools Holland)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PAH View Post
                  Which is why only mugs rob banks with a shotgun these days. The biggest criminals work in the financial industry and do it all 'legally'.


                  I'm seriously thinking of freezing my pension. I can see all those monthly contributions being worth feck all by the time I'm at retirement age, which will probably be 100+ soon.

                  I realised a while ago, that most pension funds would not be able to pay out by the time I retire, so I don't have a pension.

                  Inorder for pension funds to pay out, they would have to make changes to the retirement age, 20 years ago. They are making changes now but it's too late.
                  Fiscal nomad it's legal.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by alreadypacked View Post
                    I realised a while ago, that most pension funds would not be able to pay out by the time I retire, so I don't have a pension.

                    Inorder for pension funds to pay out, they would have to make changes to the retirement age, 20 years ago. They are making changes now but it's too late.
                    Is it 'coz you is too old?

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