I have just managed to wind up these people. Most recent exchange is at the top
it goes like this:
DA: So I am right then you don't do anything or never have done anything
other than take money from the labours of other people.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Art Uncut <[email protected]> wrote:
You have no idea what my job is or what my motivation are. If you must know, we are an independent protest group comprised of a philosophy lecturer and a vicar who used to be Councillor in the Corporation of London.
Stop letting your imagination carry you away with pointless speculation about why people are doing what they are doing, and read the specific concerns we have very carefully set out on our website.
DA
wrote:
Pear philip,
I agree that the "ad hominen argument" is always relevant to how
people debate. It does however legitimise the concept of looking at
the agendas of the people making the arguments. I still maintain that
you and your fellow supporters are individuals with "issues" and are
driven more by petty envy and self guilt than by any genuine concern
for the greater good.
Having said that I agree that you have a very strong point about
corruption and the concentration of too much power in too few hands.
The problem I have is that you are the wrong people to make the
argument. You are perceived as anti capitalist which as far as most
people are concerned means anti freedom to do what one likes to do
which includes the freedom to exchange goods and services using money
to execute transactions. You also contribute nothing to the tax purse
yet you get quite hysterical when you think someone else is failing to
pay their tax dues.
If you were to set yourselves away from the arrogant sanctity of your
views and the obvious culture of "entitlement" that goes with it and
to be even handed in your points then we might take you seriously. for
example up there with the worst excesses of capitalism is the
appalling corruption and incompetence within the public services. The
fact that employment laws are compiled to "protect" these workers is a
disgrace.
Let us have an agenda of making public services and employment less
secure as well as asking questions about the subjects that you are so right about.
> best Regards
DA
Dear DodgyAgent,
Our occupations have no bearing on the rights and wrongs of the issue.
I suggest you google "ad hominem argument".
Best wishes
Philip
As a small business owner in London I demand to know
what contributions you and your fellow "protesters" make to the exchequer in terms of taxes? How many people you have been directly responsible for employing? Thank you
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Art Uncut <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Anti-Cuts activists have focused on banker greed and tax dodgers (the symptoms). Now it's time to focus on The City itself (the disease)" Reclaim the City In the same week that OccupyLSX demands democratic reform of the Corporation of London, Art Uncut has launched 'Reclaim the City', a campaign with the same goal. The campaign will be launched with an Alternative Lord Mayor's parade to coincide with the real Lord Mayor's Parade. Occupy London protest issues demands to democratise City of London | UK news | guardian.co.uk
- Reclaim the City
Follow us on Twitter (#ReclaimtheCity & Facebook)
Saturday 12th November
Alternative Lord Mayor's Show
At 11am at Mansion House, where the Lord Mayors Show begins, Reclaim the City will set out their three concrete demands for democratic reform.
There will then be an Alternative Lord Mayor's Parade to the Occupation at St. Paul's, where an Alternative Lord Mayor for the people will be elected and acclaimed. https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=188837511191277 > Our Demands
We demand that the local council representing the Square Mile be chosen solely by the votes of the Citizens of London.
We demand that the Corporation of London publishes its secret City Cash account held in trust for the Citizens of London.
We demand that the Lord Mayor of London once again serve the interests of the Citizens of London rather than the interests of finance.
it goes like this:
DA: So I am right then you don't do anything or never have done anything
other than take money from the labours of other people.
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Art Uncut <[email protected]> wrote:
You have no idea what my job is or what my motivation are. If you must know, we are an independent protest group comprised of a philosophy lecturer and a vicar who used to be Councillor in the Corporation of London.
Stop letting your imagination carry you away with pointless speculation about why people are doing what they are doing, and read the specific concerns we have very carefully set out on our website.
DA
wrote:
Pear philip,
I agree that the "ad hominen argument" is always relevant to how
people debate. It does however legitimise the concept of looking at
the agendas of the people making the arguments. I still maintain that
you and your fellow supporters are individuals with "issues" and are
driven more by petty envy and self guilt than by any genuine concern
for the greater good.
Having said that I agree that you have a very strong point about
corruption and the concentration of too much power in too few hands.
The problem I have is that you are the wrong people to make the
argument. You are perceived as anti capitalist which as far as most
people are concerned means anti freedom to do what one likes to do
which includes the freedom to exchange goods and services using money
to execute transactions. You also contribute nothing to the tax purse
yet you get quite hysterical when you think someone else is failing to
pay their tax dues.
If you were to set yourselves away from the arrogant sanctity of your
views and the obvious culture of "entitlement" that goes with it and
to be even handed in your points then we might take you seriously. for
example up there with the worst excesses of capitalism is the
appalling corruption and incompetence within the public services. The
fact that employment laws are compiled to "protect" these workers is a
disgrace.
Let us have an agenda of making public services and employment less
secure as well as asking questions about the subjects that you are so right about.
> best Regards
DA
Dear DodgyAgent,
Our occupations have no bearing on the rights and wrongs of the issue.
I suggest you google "ad hominem argument".
Best wishes
Philip
As a small business owner in London I demand to know
what contributions you and your fellow "protesters" make to the exchequer in terms of taxes? How many people you have been directly responsible for employing? Thank you
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Art Uncut <[email protected]>
wrote:
"Anti-Cuts activists have focused on banker greed and tax dodgers (the symptoms). Now it's time to focus on The City itself (the disease)" Reclaim the City In the same week that OccupyLSX demands democratic reform of the Corporation of London, Art Uncut has launched 'Reclaim the City', a campaign with the same goal. The campaign will be launched with an Alternative Lord Mayor's parade to coincide with the real Lord Mayor's Parade. Occupy London protest issues demands to democratise City of London | UK news | guardian.co.uk
- Reclaim the City
Follow us on Twitter (#ReclaimtheCity & Facebook)
Saturday 12th November
Alternative Lord Mayor's Show
At 11am at Mansion House, where the Lord Mayors Show begins, Reclaim the City will set out their three concrete demands for democratic reform.
There will then be an Alternative Lord Mayor's Parade to the Occupation at St. Paul's, where an Alternative Lord Mayor for the people will be elected and acclaimed. https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=188837511191277 > Our Demands
We demand that the local council representing the Square Mile be chosen solely by the votes of the Citizens of London.
We demand that the Corporation of London publishes its secret City Cash account held in trust for the Citizens of London.
We demand that the Lord Mayor of London once again serve the interests of the Citizens of London rather than the interests of finance.
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