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    Debt and the Germans

    Theree seems to be a popular notion that somehow the Germans are very prudent when it comes to borrowing but is that really he case ?

    From todays Guardian online


    Albrecht Ritschl, an economics professor at the London School of Economics, argues the Germans have no claim on the higher moral ground.


    He points out that Germany ran up the largest debts of any nation during the 20th century in pursuit of its ambitions and was forgiven almost all of them.

    Two post-war deals, one in 1948 and another in 1953 wrote off most of Germany's debts from the two world wars and 1930s depression and delayed the remainder for almost 40 years.

    In 1990, when war loans were on the agenda again, the newly reconstituted German nation said it had no relationship with Imperial Germany of the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s and therefore owed nothing. An agreement with the US and UK allowed Germany to wriggle free with a near 100% haircut on the last debts.

    Last year year it paid the last tiny amounts of leftover war loan

    According to Ritschl, Germany in 1953 was "like Argentina on steroids".


    There is a history in Germany of high debts and not knowing what to do about them, which means it cannot lecture other countries without denying its past.

    #2
    True. Their current GDP/debt ratio isn't very good either.
    Hard Brexit now!
    #prayfornodeal

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      #3
      Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock View Post
      Theree seems to be a popular notion that somehow the Germans are very prudent when it comes to borrowing but is that really he case ?

      From todays Guardian online


      Albrecht Ritschl, an economics professor at the London School of Economics, argues the Germans have no claim on the higher moral ground.


      He points out that Germany ran up the largest debts of any nation during the 20th century in pursuit of its ambitions and was forgiven almost all of them.

      Two post-war deals, one in 1948 and another in 1953 wrote off most of Germany's debts from the two world wars and 1930s depression and delayed the remainder for almost 40 years.

      In 1990, when war loans were on the agenda again, the newly reconstituted German nation said it had no relationship with Imperial Germany of the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s and therefore owed nothing. An agreement with the US and UK allowed Germany to wriggle free with a near 100% haircut on the last debts.

      Last year year it paid the last tiny amounts of leftover war loan

      According to Ritschl, Germany in 1953 was "like Argentina on steroids".


      There is a history in Germany of high debts and not knowing what to do about them, which means it cannot lecture other countries without denying its past.
      No wonder they don't like taking about ze war.
      Science isn't about why, it's about why not. You ask: why is so much of our science dangerous? I say: why not marry safe science if you love it so much. In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired. - Cave Johnson

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        #4
        They've got away with murder. Literally.
        Hard Brexit now!
        #prayfornodeal

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          #5
          I think GB is the only country that paid back its war debts!
          Just saying like.

          where there's chaos, there's cash !

          I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong!

          Lowering the tone since 1963

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            #6
            That's why the markets like the UK, it's never defaulted AFAIK.
            Hard Brexit now!
            #prayfornodeal

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              #7
              Originally posted by sasguru View Post
              That's why the markets like the UK, it's never defaulted AFAIK.
              Many would argue the UK is defaulting on it's debts right now.

              England has defaulted on three occasions, although the last time was 1594 so maybe it's been forgotten about now. Germany has defaulted five times since the 1600's (including twice in the last hundred years), ironically enough the same number of times as Greece.

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                #8
                Originally posted by bingobob View Post
                Many would argue the UK is defaulting on it's debts right now.
                On what basis would anyone argue that? As far as I know the UK isn't defaulting at all.

                Defaulting and increasing debt by running a deficit are two very different things.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Doggy Styles View Post
                  On what basis would anyone argue that? As far as I know the UK isn't defaulting at all.

                  Defaulting and increasing debt by running a deficit are two very different things.
                  An investor that lent the UK government 1,000 USD or 1,000 EUR 5 years ago would only receive back around 700 USD or 700 EUR today. The UK government has intentionally manipulated the value of sterling for exactly this reason, hence many would argue it has defaulted and continues to default on it's debts.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by bingobob View Post
                    An investor that lent the UK government 1,000 USD or 1,000 EUR 5 years ago would only receive back around 700 USD or 700 EUR today. The UK government has intentionally manipulated the value of sterling for exactly this reason, hence many would argue it has defaulted and continues to default on it's debts.
                    Strangely enough though, British bonds are amongst the most popular after German and US ones.
                    Hard Brexit now!
                    #prayfornodeal

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