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pacharan
28th November 2011, 10:24
On the way in this morning.

Slow truck ahead with 6 cars between me and it.

Nobody attempting to overtake even though there are opportunities.

So, shifted down a couple of gears and overtook 3 cars before I had to get in again.

Then the :winker: I overtook put his foot down and closed the gap leaving me in the face of oncoming traffic.

Slammed on the anchors and ended up getting back in where I started. At the back.

What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

TheFaQQer
28th November 2011, 10:27
Then the :winker: I overtook put his foot down and closed the gap leaving me in the face of oncoming traffic.

He probably knew who you are, and hoped you'd die horribly.

fullyautomatix
28th November 2011, 10:27
I hate it when drivers do this and when it is deliberate. Can easily cause a nasty accident. Having said that, I myself have done it a few times to teach some assh*le a lesson. :smile

Troll
28th November 2011, 10:28
On the way in this morning.

Slow truck ahead with 6 cars between me and it.

Nobody attempting to overtake even though there are opportunities.

So, shifted down a couple of gears and overtook 3 cars before I had to get in again.

Then the :winker: I overtook put his foot down and closed the gap leaving me in the face of oncoming traffic.

Slammed on the anchors and ended up getting back in where I started. At the back.

What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

I would have gone into the side of him rather than have a head on but it helps if you have a 4x4
Also Highway Code says leave a gap sufficient for a car overtaking to cut in

Troll
28th November 2011, 10:29
I hate it when drivers do this and when it is deliberate. Can easily cause a nasty accident. Having said that, I myself have done it a few times to teach some assh*le a lesson. :smileWhat is the lesson you would be teaching?

SimonMac
28th November 2011, 10:31
On the way in this morning.

Slow truck ahead with 6 cars between me and it.

Nobody attempting to overtake even though there are opportunities.

So, shifted down a couple of gears and overtook 3 cars before I had to get in again.

Then the :winker: I overtook put his foot down and closed the gap leaving me in the face of oncoming traffic.

Slammed on the anchors and ended up getting back in where I started. At the back.

What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

In summary, you tried, you chickened out, and you failed?!

http://www.emoticons.gr/albums/uploads/glassy/loser.gif

Lesson Learnt: Must try harder last time, we expect nothing less than death or glory!

MrRobin
28th November 2011, 10:33
Slow truck ahead with 6 cars between me and it.

Have patience, relax, enjoy the scenery. It's not a race, drive safely.

PAH
28th November 2011, 10:43
Either get a faster car so you could have taken all the cars and the truck, or learn to chillout and let the numpties go and kill themselves in head on collisions.

Though you also need to protect yourself as best you can against said numpty colliding with you head on. For that reason I try to avoid:

a. the front of a convoy when on a fast A road where idiots are likely to be on your side of the road

b. the back of a slow convoy (e.g. held up by a tractor or truck) where idiots are likely to be racing around a blind bend you've just gone around.

c. overtaking a long line of cars when it's likely one of them may also decide to pull out to overtake without checking if anyone's already tearing up alongside.

Peoplesoft bloke
28th November 2011, 14:11
What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

You were both driving BMWs

russell
28th November 2011, 14:16
I would have forced him off the road, he is trying to kill you so return the favour. Then claim his (or his next of kin's) insurance for obstruction. If you haven't got the bottle to do this, then stay at the back and wait for a easier opportunity.

BrilloPad
28th November 2011, 14:22
What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

Do we have an experts on anything here?

I always thought was someone who learned from the mistakes of others - and I will certainly learn from the incident you posted. Cheers.

BoredBloke
28th November 2011, 14:22
On the way in this morning.

Slow truck ahead with 6 cars between me and it.

Nobody attempting to overtake even though there are opportunities.

So, shifted down a couple of gears and overtook 3 cars before I had to get in again.

Then the :winker: I overtook put his foot down and closed the gap leaving me in the face of oncoming traffic.

Slammed on the anchors and ended up getting back in where I started. At the back.

What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

Stop driving like a :winker: So you overtake a few cars to get half way up the queue. Supposing that you get past the truck, how much in the whole scheme of things would you have saved in terms of time? 10 secs? Instead you almost cause an accident

BrilloPad
28th November 2011, 14:26
Do we have an experts on anything here?

I always thought was someone who learned from the mistakes of others - and I will certainly learn from the incident you posted. Cheers.

Though I also nearly made the same mistake myself. On the Borough Green to Sevenoaks road. 1987. Wide lanes about to narrow. I had about 10 cars to make - so floored the capri. I then realized I was not going to make it. My girlfriend started to scream. I closed my eyes - too late to back off. Then I realized I was still alive! The person at front of the queue must have seen me and braked. I am eternally grateful - and I have driven alot more carefully since.

NotAllThere
28th November 2011, 14:46
What is the lesson you would be teaching?That the offender isn't the only moron on the road?

Drive defensively - you'll arrive pretty much at the same time, but much more relaxed. Driving aggressively may get you there a little quicker, but increases the risk of not getting there at all - and taking a few others out along with you.

chef
28th November 2011, 16:13
What are the opinions of our driving experts on this incident?

drive in Germany and then you only ever pull out if you're the fastest car on the road or else by the time you get passed the 1st car you have a lambo with headlights on (no matter the time of day) coming over the horizon and in 2 secs will be right up your @rse.

Germans, drive well (i.e they use the 3 lanes wisely and not in the USA sense of "all 3 lanes go the same speed"), however, when it goes wrong it causes some serious multi car pileups and a lot of delays

Troll
28th November 2011, 16:23
That the offender isn't the only moron on the road?

Drive defensively - you'll arrive pretty much at the same time, but much more relaxed. Driving aggressively may get you there a little quicker, but increases the risk of not getting there at all - and taking a few others out along with you.How is wanting to overtake an act of aggression?
No one seems to have been taught these days how and when to overtake, so are content to sit behind a slow moving vehicle in an ever increasing line of cars and await a dual carriageway.
If you are going to do it then putting your foot down and completing the maneuver in the shortest time is the safest way of doing so.

Troll
28th November 2011, 16:29
...but the worst accident I have seen is on a single carriageway where a vehicle is overtaking a line of traffic on the other side of the road and a car joining from a junction on the right pulls up to the give way marking, checks right (but not left) and then turns left into the path of the overtaking vehicle.
I still see lots of people joining roads after only checking the traffic coming from the right..

Always wondered how Plod would apportion blame for that accident

Spacecadet
28th November 2011, 16:33
No one seems to have been taught these days how and when to overtake, so are content to sit behind a slow moving vehicle in an ever increasing line of cars and await a dual carriageway.

As soon as you do hit the dual carriage way, every one who was behind the truck instantly moves into the second lane and you'd better hope that the driver in front makes some effort at overtaking the truck in a timely manner and pulling back in afterwards.

DimPrawn
28th November 2011, 16:35
...but the worst accident I have seen is on a single carriageway where a vehicle is overtaking a line of traffic on the other side of the road and a car joining from a junction on the right pulls up to the give way marking, checks right (but not left) and then turns left into the path of the overtaking vehicle.
I still see lots of people joining roads after only checking the traffic coming from the right..

Always wondered how Plod would apportion blame for that accident

I've wondered this too. I suspect in theory it is the fault of the person pulling out of the junction, but I reckon once you are on the wrong side of the road, any accident and you are going to get a prison sentence for dangerous driving no matter what happens.

DodgyAgent
28th November 2011, 16:40
Stop driving like a :winker: So you overtake a few cars to get half way up the queue. Supposing that you get past the truck, how much in the whole scheme of things would you have saved in terms of time? 10 secs? Instead you almost cause an accident

That is exactly what old people say. It is the same mentality as those that whine about other people earning more money than they are, or the neighbour peering at next doors new car and checking that it does'nt cost more than theirs. People can leave their petty envies and egos at home and if they are not intending to overtake stop behaving like a flock of selfish sheep and leave gaps between themselves and the car in front.

PAH
28th November 2011, 16:46
If you are going to do it then putting your foot down and completing the maneuver in the shortest time is the safest way of doing so.


I'm sure I read in the Highway Code years ago that it's ok to break the speed limit while overtaking, as it reduces the time you're exposed to danger on the other side of the road.

If it's not there now then it's probably another thing changed when the Matrix had a service pack applied. :rolleyes:

Spacecadet
28th November 2011, 16:57
I'm sure I read in the Highway Code years ago that it's ok to break the speed limit while overtaking, as it reduces the time you're exposed to danger on the other side of the road.

If it's not there now then it's probably another thing changed when the Matrix had a service pack applied. :rolleyes:

Matrix glitch I'm afraid, speeding whilst overtaking has never been condoned

DimPrawn
28th November 2011, 16:59
Matrix glitch I'm afraid, speeding whilst overtaking has never been condoned

It is true you can stop and park anywhere, no matter how dangerous, as long as you put your hazards on.

I know this as I've seen thousands of motorists do it.

:rolleyes:

Spacecadet
28th November 2011, 17:02
It is true you can stop and park anywhere, no matter how dangerous, as long as you put your hazards on.

I know this as I've seen thousands of motorists do it.

:rolleyes:

Or if you're a van, park normally by the side of the road in a line of parked cars, then put your hazards on so that passing motorists will think you want to pull out and low down for no fecking reason :winker:

BoredBloke
28th November 2011, 17:24
That is exactly what old people say. It is the same mentality as those that whine about other people earning more money than they are, or the neighbour peering at next doors new car and checking that it does'nt cost more than theirs. People can leave their petty envies and egos at home and if they are not intending to overtake stop behaving like a flock of selfish sheep and leave gaps between themselves and the car in front.

I have no problem with people overtaking, but this idiot was trying to do a truck and 6 cars. That's a hell of a long line of traffic and the result was nearly an accident. Perhaps the others didn't try to overtake because it wasn't safe to do so.

DimPrawn
28th November 2011, 17:32
This is how you do it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxMpBN3GQKg

:laugh

Spacecadet
28th November 2011, 17:35
This is how you do it!

:laugh

check out the maniac driving through the lot and carrying on! Obviously a contractor on his way to invoice/work

BrilloPad
29th November 2011, 09:14
I'm sure I read in the Highway Code years ago that it's ok to break the speed limit while overtaking, as it reduces the time you're exposed to danger on the other side of the road.

If it's not there now then it's probably another thing changed when the Matrix had a service pack applied. :rolleyes:

Sounds unlikely to me. I know for certain that if you break the law while making way for an emergency vehicle then you are still guilty. Even entering a bus lane. Apparently you must pull over when safe to do so without breaking the law.

IMO that is stupid. But there we go.

PAH
29th November 2011, 13:08
I know for certain that if you break the law while making way for an emergency vehicle then you are still guilty.

Yep, seen a few reports where people have been done for 'jumping a red light' when they tried to move forward to let an ambulance through.

So you're supposed to just sit there and shrug your shoulders while someone may be dying somewhere. :rolleyes:

Don't think I could just sit there. I'd rather risk a fine then contest it in court, and if the judge upholds it I'd call him a :winker: then get sent down for contempt. Then I'd get really pissed off and it would end in a murder charge. :mad

BrilloPad
29th November 2011, 13:15
Don't think I could just sit there. I'd rather risk a fine then contest it in court, and if the judge upholds it I'd call him a :winker: then get sent down for contempt. Then I'd get really pissed off and it would end in a murder charge. :mad

If its a red light then you will get your chance in front of a judge - and I can't see a judge upholding it. But bus lanes don't need a judge. You will get a fine then baliffs round.

Its an area of the law that needs changing.

doodab
29th November 2011, 13:19
...but the worst accident I have seen is on a single carriageway where a vehicle is overtaking a line of traffic on the other side of the road and a car joining from a junction on the right pulls up to the give way marking, checks right (but not left) and then turns left into the path of the overtaking vehicle.
I still see lots of people joining roads after only checking the traffic coming from the right..

Always wondered how Plod would apportion blame for that accident

You shouldn't be overtaking when approaching a junction.

Overtaking (162-169) : Directgov - Travel and transport (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314)

Spacecadet
29th November 2011, 13:20
You shouldn't be overtaking when approaching a junction.

Overtaking (162-169) : Directgov - Travel and transport (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314)

You do get some unmarked junctions, especially out in the sticks.

doodab
29th November 2011, 13:22
You do get some unmarked junctions, especially out in the sticks.

If you can't see well enough to see that it's there, you can't see well enough to overtake.


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DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe.

Peoplesoft bloke
29th November 2011, 13:23
That is exactly what old people say. It is the same mentality as those that whine about other people earning more money than they are, or the neighbour peering at next doors new car and checking that it does'nt cost more than theirs. People can leave their petty envies and egos at home and if they are not intending to overtake stop behaving like a flock of selfish sheep and leave gaps between themselves and the car in front.

Yeah - old people, selfish envious socialist bastards, they are.

DodgyAgent
29th November 2011, 13:26
Yeah - old people, selfish envious socialist bastards, they are.

And the Tory ones simply pull out of the way "and let him get on"

doodab
29th November 2011, 13:56
That is exactly what old people say. It is the same mentality as those that whine about other people earning more money than they are, or the neighbour peering at next doors new car and checking that it does'nt cost more than theirs. People can leave their petty envies and egos at home and if they are not intending to overtake stop behaving like a flock of selfish sheep and leave gaps between themselves and the car in front.

It's telling that you explain almost everything in terms of envy. It's as if it were the only emotion you understood.

BoredBloke
29th November 2011, 13:58
If you take a ford focus as being a typical car length, then 6*4.33m = 25.98m for 6 car lengths. If they only left half a car length between them then that's 38.97m without even getting past the truck.

How, when the op was at the back, did he know that there was a sufficient gap to get his car into 3 cars ahead? I'm guessing that the truck was moving slowly, so the chances are that the cars might be bunched up.

If the truck was 8m in length (a complete guess) then the OP was trying to overtake almost 50m worth of moving traffic. What a pillock!

doodab
29th November 2011, 14:01
If you take a ford focus as being a typical car length, then 6*4.33m = 25.98m for 6 car lengths. If they only left half a car length between them then that's 38.97m without even getting past the truck.

How, when the op was at the back, did he know that there was a sufficient gap to get his car into 3 cars ahead? I'm guessing that the truck was moving slowly, so the chances are that the cars might be bunched up.

If the truck was 8m in length (a complete guess) then the OP was trying to overtake almost 50m worth of moving traffic. What a pillock!

Just be glad he wasn't on a lawnmower at the time.

Spacecadet
29th November 2011, 14:10
Just be glad he wasn't on a lawnmower at the time.

Or driving beam up