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DimPrawn
4th May 2006, 13:01
Anyone?

The Master
4th May 2006, 13:02
Who's

PRC1964
4th May 2006, 13:02
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DimPrawn
4th May 2006, 13:05
Who's

I realised my mistake seconds after posting.

Unlike Labour voters, who have taken 9 years.

Hart-floot
4th May 2006, 13:06
Anyone?

Should have put that bet on at Ladbrokes, that Labour get below 25% nationally
Odds were pretty good on Labour getting below 30% too

Lucifer Box
4th May 2006, 13:07
I realised my mistake seconds after posting.

Unlike Labour voters, who have taken 9 years.
:rollin: :yay:

wendigo100
4th May 2006, 13:10
Anyone?You can bet your bottom dollar some will, people with some sort of intelligence and insight. :freaky:

But not me.

Lucifer Box
4th May 2006, 13:12
You can bet your bottom dollar some will
Yes, most state employees, recipients of disability benefit, child tax credit, etc., etc.

wendigo100
4th May 2006, 13:15
Yes, most state employees, recipients of disability benefit, child tax credit, etc., etc.Even nurses 'n teachers?

Mordac
4th May 2006, 13:16
Anyone?

Nope. Not today, not ever.

wendigo100
4th May 2006, 13:20
Yes, most state employees...Even the armed forces, especially those in Iraq?

AtW
4th May 2006, 13:27
Even the armed forces, especially those in Iraq?

Do they also vote to elect local council?

wendigo100
4th May 2006, 13:32
Do they also vote to elect local council?If they have a home here I'd assume so.

Unless they get to vote in the Iraqi elections instead.

privateeye
4th May 2006, 13:34
Even the armed forces, especially those in Iraq?

I couldn't if I wanted to. Labour don't make a stand in Wokingham.

benn0
4th May 2006, 15:38
Of course.

More of the same please. Continued growth, low inflation, and close to full emplyment.

Much better than the dark days of the eighties.

Mordac
4th May 2006, 15:43
>close to full emplyment

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

As if by magic, the troll re-appeared.

benn0
4th May 2006, 15:52
>close to full emplyment

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

As if by magic, the troll re-appeared.


Like shooting fish in a barrel. Only the fish have better memories and more intelligence.

hyperD
4th May 2006, 16:13
>close to full emplyment

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

As if by magic, the troll re-appeared.
It's like chanting "Bloody Liebour, bloody liebour, bloody liebour" and the token socialist appears.

madhippy
4th May 2006, 16:19
i normally do ... today I wasted my vote (lib dems) - no fcking id card for me ...

DimPrawn
4th May 2006, 17:46
Of course.

More of the same please. Continued growth, low inflation, and close to full emplyment.

Much better than the dark days of the eighties.

Yes, my house is now rich and my boring old job has been donated to a 3rd world country (India I think).

Thank goodness for New Labour.

New Labour, New Saviour (que Chico).

Lucifer Box
4th May 2006, 17:56
Even nurses 'n teachers?
Of course they will. Despite all the grumbling they know who's responsible for the size of their wage packet. More likely they will stay at home today than suddenly become Tory voters.

benn0
4th May 2006, 18:00
Yes, my house is now rich and my boring old job has been donated to a 3rd world country (India I think).

Thank goodness for New Labour.

New Labour, New Saviour (que Chico).

Oh dear - Out of work????

Get on your bike then.

Now where have I heard that before????

PS - I am no socialist. I'm a realist. This country has never had it so good. Ask any builder. One of the trades twatcher rode roughshod over.

Bitch.

Fungus
4th May 2006, 18:14
Of course.

More of the same please. Continued growth, low inflation, and close to full emplyment.

Much better than the dark days of the eighties.

A minister whose husband is being investigated for fraud.

A minister who had a relationship with a subordinate and who has been accused of sexual harassment by another ex-subordinate.

A minister - Hewitt - who is presiding over chaos in the NHS due to rushing through major changes leading to massive job cuts.

A minister who presided over the release of ~1000 foreign prisoners who should have been deported and he gave incorrect information to parliament.
A PM who led us to war on false pretences.

Several ministers - Blunkett and Prescott - who are claiming tens of thousands of pounds expenses, without adequately accounting for it.

One minister - Beckett - who is head of the farming and fluffy bunny department, who proclaims her support for Kyoto etc, and yet is the government minister who has made the most flights as part of her job, including using the royal flight. Hypocrisy?

An increase in unemployment of 1 million over the last year, partly due to unrestricted immigration from new EU countries.

We are all equal but some New Liar ministers are more equal than others. Oink oink.

zathras
4th May 2006, 18:43
Has hell frozen over then?

hyperD
4th May 2006, 18:50
PS - I am no socialist. I'm a realist. This country has never had it so good. Ask any builder.
Well, there we go. The litmus test to the economy.

Thanks for that benn0, I can safely sleep in my bed knowing my little forints and sterling are sitting comfortable because Bazzer the builder decrees "all's well cos' Gordo says we've never had it so good".

benn0
4th May 2006, 19:18
Well, there we go. The litmus test to the economy.

Thanks for that benn0, I can safely sleep in my bed knowing my little forints and sterling are sitting comfortable because Bazzer the builder decrees "all's well cos' Gordo says we've never had it so good".


But isn't your little litmus test based around looking after number one as well. ie minimise my tax and bugger everyone else?

threaded
4th May 2006, 19:34
But isn't your little litmus test based around looking after number one as well. ie minimise my tax and bugger everyone else?
You make this strange conjunction, the fact is, if not just I, but everyone else, minimise their taxes everyone else benefits as well.

The issue is that you do not understand this, which is so incrediably sad.

For example, you'd rather, instead of us, spending the money on a nice holiday, take it in taxes, and give the money direct to the leader of that country to stash away in a swiss bank account. Which, to me personally, is probably one of the most disgusting outcomes of state 'charity'.

vista
4th May 2006, 19:49
Anyone?


The 52% of the electorate that labour have gerrymandered with various handouts who's only value to humanity is that they vote to keep getting handouts from the scum.

DimPrawn
4th May 2006, 20:17
whose

hyperD
4th May 2006, 20:28
But isn't your little litmus test based around looking after number one as well. ie minimise my tax and bugger everyone else?
I'll back up threaded's post: I simply do not understand why you think creating wealth as an individual automatically implies the suffering of many.

It does smell of student leftiness: once you grow up and gain responsibility, it all becomes a meaningless ideal.

Just let go of your decades of hate benn0, extinguish that black candle from your heart and move on. FFS, you guys that "hate Thatch" are like old COBOL programmers, shaking your fists at how hard it was to keep your punch cards dry etc

Take a leaf out of Milan's book: .NETory is the future - join the bandwagon of spondoolies...fill yer boots. Look at Prescott - your typical, working class lad. Given an eyefull of what it's all about, he was straight in there. Look at how he simply gorged on all those temptations to show exactly how duplicitous people can be.

In any case, straight-talking Tone, the Mad Messiah, has spoke unto us:

"If you **** up, it's OK, you just need to invoke the old "lessons learned" and everything will be alright again"

Fungus
4th May 2006, 20:46
Under Saint Margaret even the lowliest citizen of this country could distinguish between who's and whose. A fish rots head first.

DodgyAgent
4th May 2006, 21:02
Benn0 is your typical selfish greedy self serving hypocrite who votes labour. What he and his ilk refuse to acknowledge is that the values behind conservative ideology are the very values that create wealth in the first place. Those values are freedom of the individual to choose, the acceptance of responsibility and the dynamics of capitalism. Therefore the main reason why we have never had it so good is not because of socialism but because of Margaret Thatcher. There is no economy in the world that has ever thrived on socialism and today we are faced with our own economy regressing.

The hypocrisy of which Benn0 and his ilk are guilty is that whilst they are quite happy to reap the rewards of the free market they think that by voting and supporting socialism they are somehow giving themselves some sort of moral integrity; that they care about the poor and the less fortunate. So by voting labour they are not only grasping the vast riches that are available but they are also showing that they have a conscience.

If voting for a socialist government was actually the best way of looking after the least fortunate in society then maybe he would have a point. However the reverse, in his own words "practically" is true. Nothing that a socialist government does works, socialism is evil. Socialism is a tool for the incompetent to gain power. We read stories daily of incompetence from ministers and the public services. These people want more power, they want more of us to fall under their umbtrella of incompetence, corruption and unaccountability. These are the people who the champagne socialists support, why? because they are cowards. They are not the slightest bit interested in helping the poor. What these people actually want their tax to pay for is to keep the problems of the poor away from their doorsteps and away from the embrace of their responsibility.

If Polly Toynbee, Melvin Bragg, Benn0 really gave a shit then they might just engage in a debate that actually discusses the most effective way of delivering public services. How to harness the power of choice, accountability, self interest and freedom in such a way that everyone has a proper education, good housing and good healthcare.

There is no morality about socialism at all.

Lucifer Box
4th May 2006, 21:22
:yay:

hyperD
4th May 2006, 21:28
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Dodgy Agent contemplating the next blue chip PSL contract...

"Mr Anderson.....('s Consulting)..."

Lucifer Box
4th May 2006, 21:50
Gentlepersons of the Congregation, I have given the matter much thought and have decided that in addition to the entire Parliamentry Liebour Party, Benn0 should be ceremonially stabbed too.
Twice.

DimPrawn
5th May 2006, 08:48
In answer to my original question, not many it seems.

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New Lie, New :wave:

benn0
5th May 2006, 09:06
OK.

I'm going to vote conservative.

Does that mean my income tax / council tax bills will fall and IR35 will be repealed?

Does that mean all ministers will be squeaky clean?

Will all public services be run effectively and be 100% efficient.

Will the manufacturing sector be booming?

Nope. Nothing will change. Accept it.

hyperD
5th May 2006, 09:13
OK.

I'm going to vote conservative. Excellent!

Does that mean my income tax / council tax bills will fall and IR35 will be repealed? Possibly / IR35: Yes

Does that mean all ministers will be squeaky clean? Are you mad? Of course not.

Will all public services be run effectively and be 100% efficient. Have they ever been? At least we won't waste quite so much tax on it.

Will the manufacturing sector be booming? What relevance does this have? It's 2006 not 1979 FFS!!

Nope. Nothing will change. Accept it.

Now you're getting it!



bye bye Tone...

DimPrawn
5th May 2006, 09:15
Get back under your bridge Benn0, your lover Bliar has had a whipping.

threaded
5th May 2006, 09:33
"Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Atlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana!!! Maggie Thatcher. Can you hear me Maggie Thatcher? Your boys took one hell of a beating. Your boys took one hell of a beating."

erm :D

DimPrawn
5th May 2006, 11:53
The economy is sound.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4976180.stm

More than 23,000 people became insolvent in England and Wales during the first three months of 2006 - 73% more than in the same period last year.
The figures from the government's Insolvency Service will add weight to the view that 2006 could see record levels of personal insolvency.

Experts have blamed the rise in insolvencies on greater personal debt and higher unemployment.

:rollin:

TheMonkey
5th May 2006, 12:42
Experts have blamed the rise in insolvencies on greater personal debt and higher unemployment.

Blame it on muppets - I know loads who are just too ******* lazy to get themselves out of the shit they got themselves into.

benn0
5th May 2006, 13:07
The economy is sound.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4976180.stm

More than 23,000 people became insolvent in England and Wales during the first three months of 2006 - 73% more than in the same period last year.
The figures from the government's Insolvency Service will add weight to the view that 2006 could see record levels of personal insolvency.

Experts have blamed the rise in insolvencies on greater personal debt and higher unemployment.

:rollin:

I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week. (How many people could say that in the eighties). On that basis the economy is sound. 23,000 muppets who aren't able to budget properly out of a 60million plus population is a drop in the ocean. Those idiots would be equally unable to budget properly under a tory government.

Lucifer Box
5th May 2006, 13:10
I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week.
Ah, the socialism of "I'm alright, Jack". On the other hand, how many other people only have a future of benefit dependency, McJobs or Tesco shelf stacking to look forward to, the real economic miracle of those 1,000,000 new jobs created?

DodgyAgent
5th May 2006, 13:10
I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week. (How many people could say that in the eighties). On that basis the economy is sound. 23,000 muppets who aren't able to budget properly out of a 60million plus population is a drop in the ocean. Those idiots would be equally unable to budget properly under a tory government.

As long as you are alright Jack. I am surprised you bothered to vote. At least by voting labour you you are clearly out to look after number1

benn0
5th May 2006, 13:51
I don't have an 'I'm alright jack' mentality at all

I'm simply pointing out that the economic outloook isn't half as gloomy as you lot would have it.

You've been forecasting a crash on these boards for the last six years and it still hasn't happened.

House prices continue to rise. The IT market is on its way back after the recession post Y2K. Nothing the tories could have done would have averted that because most companies blew years of IT budget on the issue. The building trade is buoyant. Inflation under control. If you want to work you can.

Booh f@cking hoo you pay tax. That's life I'm afraid.

The main problem I have in this country at the moment is the chav underclass cultured by years of tory mismanagement.

closely followed by the wannabe middle classes who are never satisfied.

DimPrawn
5th May 2006, 13:54
Oh well, no point arguing over what might be if the Tories were in.

We have our Tone and soon Gordon, so let's not get het up over it.

What's a bit of extra tax anyway, a few pence here and there, compared with the social and economic miracle?

AtW
5th May 2006, 13:55
I'm simply pointing out that the economic outloook isn't half as gloomy as you lot would have it.

That's because economy is steaming ahead on building more and more debt: one day it will have to be paid for and thats going to be very very painful - legacy of Brown will certainly be remembered in books on macroeconomics, probably not the way he would like it to be remembered.

Lucifer Box
5th May 2006, 13:56
I don't have an 'I'm alright jack' mentality at all
:rollin:

Benn0: I could leave my current job today, confident that I would be able to find another before this time next week.

Translation: I'm alright, Jack

DimPrawn
5th May 2006, 13:57
Another Champagne Socialist amongst us.

DodgyAgent
5th May 2006, 14:06
I don't have an 'I'm alright jack' mentality at all

I'm simply pointing out that the economic outloook isn't half as gloomy as you lot would have it.

You've been forecasting a crash on these boards for the last six years and it still hasn't happened.

House prices continue to rise. The IT market is on its way back after the recession post Y2K. Nothing the tories could have done would have averted that because most companies blew years of IT budget on the issue. The building trade is buoyant. Inflation under control. If you want to work you can.

Booh f@cking hoo you pay tax. That's life I'm afraid.

The main problem I have in this country at the moment is the chav underclass cultured by years of tory mismanagement.

closely followed by the wannabe middle classes who are never satisfied.

What else is it that we pay for that we dont ever question where it goes other than tax? the answer is nothing. Why is it? the answer is because paying tax eases people's consciences. If people actually cared about the poor then they would demand that those taxes would be properly spent. If tax was spent wisely then the chav underclass would cease to exist, reducing crime and unemployment and thus creating a better society.

It is selfish "I am alright Jack" spivs like Benn0 who actually dont give a fig. He and his ilk see tax as a means of giving themselves some moral integrity whilst sending their own kids to private school and ignoring the poor, disabled and less fortunate. In other words the payment of tax is nothing but a shallow pandering to their selfish guilt. There is a simple answer to the chav problem and that is to give them a decent education and take welfare away from them. If people like Benn0 were to ever to care then they would not only demand better use of taxpayers money but also bother to debate whether public services should be funded through taxation at all.

benn0
5th May 2006, 14:15
I find it incredibly amusing that you lot claim I'm looking for the moral high ground to sooth my consciance, I'm the one who's supposed to have some sort of selfish guilt. Yet who's being judged and who's doing the judging?

all I've stated is despite its faults, this country today now provides opportunities for those who want them, something that wasn't that case for a long long time during the period when tory rules decimated any sense of community.

I don't even class myself as a socialist, so how the chanpagne socialist tag can stick is beyond me.

Blinkered by your idealistic political views you really can't see how lucky you lot currently are. I find that sad.

DodgyAgent
5th May 2006, 14:43
I find it incredibly amusing that you lot claim I'm looking for the moral high ground to sooth my consciance, I'm the one who's supposed to have some sort of selfish guilt. Yet who's being judged and who's doing the judging?

all I've stated is despite its faults, this country today now provides opportunities for those who want them, something that wasn't that case for a long long time during the period when tory rules decimated any sense of community.

I don't even class myself as a socialist, so how the chanpagne socialist tag can stick is beyond me.

Blinkered by your idealistic political views you really can't see how lucky you lot currently are. I find that sad.

Quite apart from the fact that Tory/Thatcher policies create wealth and those associated with socialism do the reverse, the economy was doing better than it ever had been doing when the Tories were kicked out in 1997. So if you are basing your vote on the "never had it so good" rule then why did you vote labour?

And if New Labour is promoting "sense of community" about which you pretend to care (which you patently do not), then why are working Britis class communities (white and Black) voting for BNP?

And if the country is providing opportunities for everyone why is it that there are over 3 million unemployed?

There were a lot of people like you around in the 60s and 70s indulging in the destruction of capitalist values, what happened? maggie :)

Fungus
5th May 2006, 18:38
Hello benno

Did you know that this government are pushing foreign companies to invest in this country? A worthy aim. And did you know that the key asset of this country - according to New Liar - is that we have a de-regulated economy that makes us more competitive than the more sclerotic European economies. And we know why that is. Margaret Thatcher, Keith Joseph, Mr Norman On-Yer-Bike Tebbit, and the rest.

vista
5th May 2006, 21:36
Lets have lots more taxes.

1. the smallest car available = cost + £30K tax, sort out congestion, get the smeg off the roads and out of my way (then we can have many more nurses)

2. £50K minimum tax payable to vote, put the thickies back in their box where they belong, it'd be a kindness they only hurt themselves and everyone else.

3. Internet Access £25K a year, keep those that are hard of understanding out of the way and stop them wasting everybody elses time.

4. Tax NHS users so those that aren't smart enough to make enough money to pay the charges are removed from the gene pool, hard but fair.

Fungus
5th May 2006, 21:46
Lets have lots more taxes.

1. the smallest car available = cost + £30K tax, sort out congestion, get the smeg off the roads and out of my way (then we can have many more nurses)

2. £50K minimum tax payable to vote, put the thickies back in their box where they belong, it'd be a kindness they only hurt themselves and everyone else.

3. Internet Access £25K a year, keep those that are hard of understanding out of the way and stop them wasting everybody elses time.

4. Tax NHS users so those that aren't smart enough to make enough money to pay the charges are removed from the gene pool, hard but fair.

:banana:

Strangely appealing ...