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administrator
5th January 2012, 11:00
Can't believe no-one posted this yet:
BBC News - MP Diane Abbott in Twitter race row (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278)

Should she be given a £40K fine and a ban from the commons or are her comments fair enough?

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 11:07
Maybe all the posters here are white so are not allowed to comment.

Seriously - I think her comments should just be ignored. No point in giving them undue attention. At the end of the day we are all going to have to live together.

MrRobin
5th January 2012, 11:08
Another storm in a teacup. I wish people wouldn't get offended so easily.

Real racism exists in the world, this is not it.

DimPrawn
5th January 2012, 11:10
For me it's a big WGAS. Just mentioning race does not make something racist.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 11:11
Stone her!

But then again as Mr Robin say's storm in a tea cup, but people in the public profile should know better, if she is sacked fair enough she was stupid, if she keeps here job I won't loose sleep as we all know the sandman comes to us white-ies first

TimberWolf
5th January 2012, 11:13
Only some white people like to divide people. There are those that do and those that don't.

Spacecadet
5th January 2012, 11:15
as the others said WGAS? which probably explains why it wasn't posted

On the subject to which she was tweeting about though, I am getting a bit tired of this pandering to "communities" which typically consist of 2 or 3 local unelected loud mouths

fullyautomatix
5th January 2012, 11:17
Nobody has posted about it because nobody really cares about these bigotted Labour politicians.

HTH

DodgyAgent
5th January 2012, 11:22
Can't believe no-one posted this yet:
BBC News - MP Diane Abbott in Twitter race row (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278)

Should she be given a £40K fine and a ban from the commons or are her comments fair enough?

According to the rules of the people who play the race card then yes fine her. To suggest that playing the "divide and rule" game is a characteristic of being white suggests if anything that non white people are too stupid to adopt such tactics themselves.

She has also been having a say on kids getting fat, which is a bit rich. It is also socialist driven doctrine that has sought to remove the competitiveness from sport and it is "job protection" policies of the left that mean teachers work to rule and do not teach out of hours sports.

Let children play in the street to prevent them getting fat, says Diane Abbott | News (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24024817-let-children-play-in-the-street-to-prevent-them-getting-fat-says-abbott.do)

Troll
5th January 2012, 11:23
I am getting a bit tired of this pandering to "communities" which typically consist of 2 or 3 local unelected loud mouthsThat's a bit harsh on the Scots

DodgyAgent
5th January 2012, 11:25
Another storm in a teacup. I wish people wouldn't get offended so easily.

Real racism exists in the world, this is not it.

It is as racist as you get. She is stereotyping a whole race of people because of their colour. few people will be offended because the people she is criticising are white and most whites dont feel inferior because of their/our race.

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 11:26
Werd. Dat hoochy momma is right-on, dem honkies just don't play fair.

Troll
5th January 2012, 11:29
most whites dont feel inferior because of their/our race.so you're saying non whites feel inferior about their race........

RACIST!!!!

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 11:29
Werd. Dat hoochy momma is right-on, dem honkies just don't play fair.

Wigga?

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 11:29
Wigga?

You Uncle Bob.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 11:34
You Uncle Tom.

FTFY

MrRobin
5th January 2012, 11:34
It is as racist as you get. She is stereotyping a whole race of people because of their colour. few people will be offended because the people she is criticising are white and most whites dont feel inferior because of their/our race.

What I meant is that using generalisation in speech does not necessarily make you a racist, it's just lazy and dumb.

Personally, I can't stand the woman but she's as guilty of discrimination/hate as Jeremy Clarkson was over the public sector shooting suggestion.

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 11:39
FTFY

No. Bob.

I know what I wrote.

EternalOptimist
5th January 2012, 11:53
In my day you were a racist if you wanted to stick people in the ovens, or murder them at bus stops. If you wanted to make a sweeping generalisation you were a plonker or a d1ckhead

Abbot and people like her have made this particular bed, let her lie in it


:rolleyes:

Churchill
5th January 2012, 12:00
Only some white people like to divide people. There are those that do and those that don't.

Bollocks.

DodgyAgent
5th January 2012, 12:00
What I meant is that using generalisation in speech does not necessarily make you a racist, it's just lazy and dumb.

Personally, I can't stand the woman but she's as guilty of discrimination/hate as Jeremy Clarkson was over the public sector shooting suggestion.


The difference between her and Clarkson was that Clarkson was joking. She on the other hand is revealing a racist streak in her attitude-lazy and dumb it may be, but it is as racist as it gets. Just imagine if it had been a white MP generalising about black people, and saying that Black people are opportunistic and lazy for example.

Doggy Styles
5th January 2012, 12:04
I'm not too bothered about what Abbott said, or Suarez come to that.

There's still enough real unfair discrimination going on, whether racial, ageist or whatever, without spending thousands of hours of broadcasting and acres of newspaper print making sanctimonious mountains out of molehills.

administrator
5th January 2012, 12:09
In my day you were a racist if you wanted to stick people in the ovens, or murder them at bus stops. If you wanted to make a sweeping generalisation you were a plonker or a d1ckhead

Abbot and people like her have made this particular bed, let her lie in it


:rolleyes:

That's the crux of it IMO. She should have been more aware of what she was writing, to say it was taken out of context or that it was difficult to explain her true meaning in 140 characters is pretty lame.

vetran
5th January 2012, 12:15
Agree EO.

Treat other people etc. Lets see her be fined and embarrassed maybe it will make her think about her obviously racist views in future.

She made a derogatory remark based on colour, she is constantly referencing her colour like its a reason to feel hard done by, not proud. It just builds the feeling of injustice.

I'd like to see her telling the feckless to get off their butts and behave regardless of colour, not saying everyone is against them. She is in an ideal position to do this.

Unfortunately certain communities have minimal paternal involvement or regard for the law which leads to criminality that isn't a discrimination issue that's how that particular ethnic mix in that particular community behaves.

It isn't because 'they is Black' or oppressed, its because of the way they behave in that particular situation. Abbot should be encouraging them to follow the Indians and Chinese or even the respectable Afro Carribeans that have integrated well. These people behave differently and are on the whole seen as a valuable addition to the community by the majority but are just as obviously racially different.

Platypus
5th January 2012, 12:16
and it is "job protection" policies of the left that mean teachers work to rule and do not teach out of hours sports

Wrong.

I know quite a few teachers and all work very hard. Many more hours than they are contracted to do. None that I know conform to the short-days-long-holidays stereotype.

Many have given up "after hours" activities because they are now personally liable if anything should go wrong.

mrdonuts
5th January 2012, 12:24
Wrong.

I know quite a few teachers and all work very hard..

i notice that whenever the issue of lazy/useless stupid teachers/lecturers gets mentioned there are one or two on here who immediately claim to know a few who work quite hard ---who are they? go on lets have their names or some evidence - otherwise quite frankly i dont believe it

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 12:27
Its ok, she has apologised we can all go about our lives without having to descend into another Daily Mail like rant on non issues

administrator
5th January 2012, 12:28
My better half was a primary teacher before we had kids. I can vouch for how hard some (see, I am not falling into the Abbot trap!) of them work.

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 12:30
i notice that whenever the issue of lazy/useless stupid teachers/lecturers gets mentioned there are one or two on here who immediately claim to know a few who work quite hard ---who are they? go on lets have their names or some evidence - otherwise quite frankly i dont believe it

All teachers at my children's school work very hard. A couple of stupid ones. I would not swap with them.

EternalOptimist
5th January 2012, 12:30
i notice that whenever the issue of lazy/useless stupid teachers/lecturers gets mentioned there are one or two on here who immediately claim to know a few who work quite hard ---who are they? go on lets have their names or some evidence - otherwise quite frankly i dont believe it

Jack Wesby, the PE teacher worked hard, he used to take us to Tord Vale camping. Then there was Mr J* who ran the electrical group and watched diligently to make sure we all got clean in the showers afterwards


mind you, they've both been dead for 30 years so I suppose they dont count


:rolleyes:

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 12:31
My better half was a primary teacher before we had kids. I can vouch for how hard some (see, I am not falling into the Abbot trap!) of them work.


All teachers at my children's school work very hard. A couple of stupid ones. I would not swap with them.

Over-paid, under qualified and far too many holidays.

Don't know their born Primary School teachers.

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 12:32
My better half was a primary teacher before we had kids. I can vouch for how hard some (see, I am not falling into the Abbot trap!) of them work.

I think you were supposed to say how clever your wife is. Does she read the forum?

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 12:33
Don't know their born Primary School teachers.

Would you do the job?

russell
5th January 2012, 12:34
After the centuries of slavery, abuse and racism the blacks had to suffer at the hand of the white man, they are entitled to some payback mmmkay.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 12:35
Gotta love twitters response

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23whitepeopleblues


Woke up this morning/son was murdered/police responded promptly and killers have been apprehended #whitepeopleblues


Hate it when people offer you some bubbly, and it turns out to be just Cava. #whitepeopleblues

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 12:37
After the centuries of slavery, abuse and racism the blacks had to suffer at the hand of the white man, they are entitled to some payback mmmkay.

They are welcome to payback against you.

russell
5th January 2012, 12:39
They are welcome to payback against you.

I am a half cast from Hawaii, currently working in USA contract runs out end of this year, hoping to get a 4 year extension, if the new guy Mitt doesn't get it.

Coalman
5th January 2012, 12:40
i notice that whenever the issue of lazy/useless stupid teachers/lecturers gets mentioned there are one or two on here who immediately claim to know a few who work quite hard ---who are they? go on lets have their names or some evidence - otherwise quite frankly i dont believe it

My wife was a very hard working teacher before we had kids. You're attitude to teachers stinks of ignorance.

If you believe all teachers are lazy - go volunteer at a school for a day - then try and work out when the planning, marking, preparation for school trips, training, parents evenings, school plays, school governors meetings, SEN planning, music lessons, playground coverage, display preparations, policy reviews, clearing drug users needles from playgrounds, swimming lessons, etc, etc.

doodab
5th January 2012, 12:40
She should have said "rich and powerful" people.

The white poor were getting butt****ed by the rich long before the empire expanded to Africa and started making slaves. The fact that she has succeeded in pitching white against black when poor people are all in the same boat regardless of skin colour is a strong pointer as to which side of the struggle she's really on.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 12:43
After the centuries of slavery, abuse and racism the blacks had to suffer at the hand of the white man, they are entitled to some payback mmmkay.

What about the mental suffering we white man have to suffer at the hands of black men and their 12" white women stealing penises? Where's our 40 acres and a mule!

Coalman
5th January 2012, 12:44
She should have said "rich and powerful" people.

The white poor were getting butt****ed by the rich long before the empire expanded to Africa and started making slaves. The fact that she has succeeded in pitching white against black when poor people are all in the same boat regardless of skin colour is a strong pointer as to which side of the struggle she's really on.

Quite, the celts used white slaves. The Irish in the dark ages plundered Wales and Cornwall for slaves. The barbary pirates (arabs) raided both europe and sub sahara africa for slaves. The fuedal system in europe is based on slavery. Who should we all blame?

Spacecadet
5th January 2012, 12:45
Quite, the celts used white slaves. The Irish in the dark ages plundered Wales and Cornwall for slaves. The barbary pirates (arabs) raided both europe and sub sahara africa for slaves. The fuedal system in europe is based on slavery. Who should we all blame?

and there is still plenty of slavery in Africa

Churchill
5th January 2012, 12:47
Over-paid, under qualified and far too many holidays.

Don't know their born Primary School teachers.

:facepalm:

EternalOptimist
5th January 2012, 12:50
I love all this 'taken out of context' malarky as well


Abbot, you are a fat twat



now take THAT fckr out of context


:rolleyes:

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 12:53
My wife was a very hard working teacher before we had kids. You're attitude to teachers stinks of ignorance.

If you believe all teachers are lazy - go volunteer at a school for a day - then try and work out when the planning, marking, preparation for school trips, training, parents evenings, school plays, school governors meetings, SEN planning, music lessons, playground coverage, display preparations, policy reviews, clearing drug users needles from playgrounds, swimming lessons, etc, etc.

It's just colouring in, long coffee breaks, short hours, long holidays, massive pension and not having to put any effort into getting dressed each day.

Come the revolution primary school teachers and hairdressers will be first against the wall.

Coalman
5th January 2012, 12:55
It's just colouring in, long coffee breaks, short hours, long holidays, massive pension and not having to put any effort into getting dressed each day.

Come the revolution primary school teachers and hairdressers will be first against the wall.

Stick to things you know about - like sledges and :winker:

doodab
5th January 2012, 12:57
not having to put any effort into getting dressed each day.

:rollin::rollin::rollin:

Of course they do put effort in, they just look like they don't because they are poor and all their clothes come from primark.

They do work hard though. A few of my friends wives are teachers. I wouldn't do it.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 12:58
Of course they do put effort in, they just look like they don't because they are poor and all their clothes come from primark.

:rollin::rollin::rollin:

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 12:58
Stick to things you know about - like sledges and :winker:

As Mr Donuts said above, diss teachers and there are a number of posters on here who get all offended plus high and mighty about how hard they work. An ex-girlfriend was a primary school teacher and she used to bemoan the same. For Primary school it's a step above working in a nursery. Secondary school is much more difficult.

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 12:58
I love all this 'taken out of context' malarky as well


Abbot, you are a fat twat



now take THAT fckr out of context


:rolleyes:

That was very sizeist of you. She prefers to be referred to as "cuddly".

FiveTimes
5th January 2012, 13:03
Can't believe no-one posted this yet:
BBC News - MP Diane Abbott in Twitter race row (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278)

Should she be given a £40K fine and a ban from the commons or are her comments fair enough?

8 week ban, however i fully expect the full shadow cabinet to wear Abbott t-shirts to show their support

DodgyAgent
5th January 2012, 13:18
Wrong.

I know quite a few teachers and all work very hard. Many more hours than they are contracted to do. None that I know conform to the short-days-long-holidays stereotype.

Many have given up "after hours" activities because they are now personally liable if anything should go wrong.

What they say and what they do are totally different.

Coalman
5th January 2012, 13:24
As Mr Donuts said above, diss teachers and there are a number of posters on here who get all offended plus high and mighty about how hard they work. An ex-girlfriend was a primary school teacher and she used to bemoan the same. For Primary school it's a step above working in a nursery. Secondary school is much more difficult.

So this is general - WGAS. The reason I get aggrieved about MrDonuts' opinion is because it is plain wrong. I shouldn't as this is general and WGAS.

I don't get annoyed at your comments because its obvious that your're playing devils advocate and you're an idiot :tongue

Anyway - this is general - WGAS ( I know I should't).

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 13:27
So this is general - WGAS. The reason I get aggrieved about MrDonuts' opinion is because it is plain wrong. I shouldn't as this is general and WGAS.

I don't get annoyed at your comments because its obvious that your're playing devils advocate and you're an idiot :tongue

Anyway - this is general - WGAS ( I know I should't).

What a piss poor response. Must be a primary school teacher.:laugh

Spacecadet
5th January 2012, 13:34
So this is general - WGAS. The reason I get aggrieved about MrDonuts' opinion is because it is plain wrong. I shouldn't as this is general and WGAS.

I don't get annoyed at your comments because its obvious that your're playing devils advocate and you're an idiot :tongue

Anyway - this is general - WGAS ( I know I should't).

Good job it's not the second Thursday of the month when Just a Minute rules apply!

vetran
5th January 2012, 13:37
Uncle & Aunt were lifetime secondary school teachers, never saw them burning the midnight oil.
Retired early fifties and spend their entire life on holiday.

Bunk
5th January 2012, 13:39
Good job it's not the second Thursday of the month when Just a Minute rules apply!

He's like the Milibot when he was asked about strikes, stuck in a loop. We'll reboot him and he'll be fine tomorrow.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 13:40
What they say and what they do are totally different.

An agent speaking of the pit falls of hypocrisy?!

DodgyAgent
5th January 2012, 13:43
An agent speaking of the pit falls of hypocrisy?!

I am pleased to see that you think our integrity is at the same level as teachers :happy

northernladuk
5th January 2012, 13:48
I am pleased to see that you think our integrity is at the same level as teachers :happy

<cough>

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 13:48
I am pleased to see that you think our integrity is at the same level as teachers :happy

I've never seen a recruitment agent go on strike!

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 13:51
Uncle & Aunt were lifetime secondary school teachers, never saw them burning the midnight oil.
Retired early fifties and spend their entire life on holiday.

I bet they had no kids.

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 13:52
I've never seen a recruitment agent go on strike!

Would anyone notice?

MarillionFan
5th January 2012, 13:57
Would anyone notice?

Well you wouldn't. Agents don't phone you back regardless. :laugh :winker:

SimonMac
5th January 2012, 13:58
Well you wouldn't. Agents don't phone you back regardless. :laugh :winker:

Harsh but fair

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 14:04
It’s not racist if you’re talking about the honkies, claims Abbott (http://newsthump.com/2012/01/05/its-not-racist-if-youre-talking-about-the-honkies-claims-abbott/)

DimPrawn
5th January 2012, 14:07
Who here would?

Anyone?

A bit of leftie, roly-poly fun?

BrilloPad
5th January 2012, 14:14
Who here would?

Anyone?

A bit of leftie, roly-poly fun?

Apart from atw I don't think anyone would be that desperate.

Doggy Styles
5th January 2012, 14:22
Who here would?

Anyone?

A bit of leftie, roly-poly fun?What, divide and rule her pins? :eek

No I wouldn't. And I'm not fussy. Well OK, I probably wouldn't.

Spacecadet
5th January 2012, 14:26
Who here would?

Anyone?

A bit of leftie, roly-poly fun?

it's one off the list

darmstadt
5th January 2012, 15:50
I met here a few years back when she came to my grandfathers funeral, seemed quite a nice lady at the time...

SneakySimon
5th January 2012, 17:46
And being as I am white, I would divide and rule her.

:igmc:

Hill Station Murthy
5th January 2012, 17:58
well to be honest I think she has performed many tasks in the name of improving racial qualities in this country but [I] also think she is as villunous as many of our other elected representatives who using a phrase that I would never use lighlty are hypocritical in my opinion.

If this woman does not wish to send her boys, her children, her black boys to this local education establishment in her home area then she should come out and appear to the nation and state publicily on camera, on tv that this schools are not good enough for black children and we must make it better or otherwise this is the reson I am sending my boys to private schooling. But instaed she did not make these utterances and is telling everyone that these schools in her local area are very good schools for black children but she sends her children to private school.

She is also wishing to ban Darkie Day in Cornwall.

SueEllen
5th January 2012, 19:51
Uncle & Aunt were lifetime secondary school teachers, never saw them burning the midnight oil.
Retired early fifties and spend their entire life on holiday.

Depends totally on the subject at Secondary school.

For example how much marking does an Art teacher have to do compared to an English teacher? How many Art teachers will need to push their pupils through their GCSE's to ensure they get one? Art isn't a core subject English is.

Also any primary school teacher who does their work properly lesson plans for their class of mixed ability children and is always on the scout for materials to use in their lessons.

(And yes I know a lot of teachers but it's not hard if you have degree and are female. )

amcdonald
5th January 2012, 22:23
She should have said "rich and powerful" people.

The white poor were getting butt****ed by the rich long before the empire expanded to Africa and started making slaves. The fact that she has succeeded in pitching white against black when poor people are all in the same boat regardless of skin colour is a strong pointer as to which side of the struggle she's really on.

I think the fact she put her kids into private school shoes what a typical hypocritical champagne socialist she really is

As for the racism, it was deliberately targetted at her her core voters feelings , and as vile as if a Tory MP had started angling for the BNP vote

Freamon
5th January 2012, 23:19
Gotta love twitters response

https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23whitepeopleblues

White Whine - A Collection of First-World Problems (http://whitewhine.com/)

SantaClaus
5th January 2012, 23:44
Can't believe no-one posted this yet:
BBC News - MP Diane Abbott in Twitter race row (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16423278)

Should she be given a £40K fine and a ban from the commons or are her comments fair enough?

She should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten tomatoes.

It was her party that bestowed political correctness on this nation. It is only right she should be tripped up by it too.

Don't forget to give her a criminal record. Labour made everything illegal before they left power.

Paddy
6th January 2012, 00:17
She still does not seem to have ‘got it’ her statement ''White people love playing 'divide & rule'" does not matter if she is referring to white people today or even in the Victorian days of Empire. She is generalising and insulting just as much as if a white person had said that all blacks live in mud huts. I feel sorry for her that she is so ignorant.

Occasionally I come across so an ex colonial with a chip on their shoulder saying that “you English owe us because of the Empire” and I answer that it has nothing to do with me or my forefathers as we English/British workers were exploited as well.

Sysman
6th January 2012, 07:22
What they say and what they do are totally different.

There's a lot of truth in that.

My dear departed Mum was a teacher and she really sincerely didn't believe that anyone could work as hard as a teacher.

And she went on and on about it.

To which I said bollux. Yes, it can be a hard job, but I don't believe for a minute it's the hardest job in the world.

Sysman
6th January 2012, 07:24
It’s not racist if you’re talking about the honkies, claims Abbott (http://newsthump.com/2012/01/05/its-not-racist-if-youre-talking-about-the-honkies-claims-abbott/)

Someone should tell her that when you find yourself in a hole you should stop digging.

TimberWolf
6th January 2012, 08:55
Blacks to go into administration (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16437888) :eyes

Ignis Fatuus
6th January 2012, 09:01
Only some white people like to divide people. There are those that do and those that don't.Right: that's what was wrong with her big mouth. But it's not the same as (e.g.) going out and stabbing someone because of the colour of their skin.

Hill Station Murthy
6th January 2012, 09:17
I think the fact she put her kids into private school shoes what a typical hypocritical champagne socialist she really is






If this woman does not wish to send her boys, her children, her black boys to this local education establishment in her home area then she should come out and appear to the nation and state publicily on camera, on tv that this schools are not good enough for black children and we must make it better or otherwise this is the reson I am sending my boys to private schooling. But instaed she did not make these utterances and is telling everyone that these schools in her local area are very good schools for black children but she sends her children to private school.

She is also wishing to ban Darkie Day in Cornwall.

I dot not wish to reapeat myself

DodgyAgent
6th January 2012, 09:20
Right: that's what was wrong with her big mouth. But it's not the same as (e.g.) going out and stabbing someone because of the colour of their skin.

That may be true but in her position what she has done is to stoke up and solidify resentment amongst a black population who are struggling to put an end to the social stigmas that hold back their status in society. It also suggests an inferiority that blacks have in that white people can seemingly by dint of their race be clever enough to "divide and rule". So why cant black people also "divide and rule"?

Waldorf
6th January 2012, 09:22
Abbott was a BIG fan of Gordon Brown and I can recall her getting very excited about him moving to No.10, she talked about a glorious first 100 days etc - and we all recall how that fairy story ended :puke:

BrilloPad
6th January 2012, 09:44
I loved the cartoon in the Torygraph today "trust a woman to make a sweeping generalisation".