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Scrag Meister
11th January 2012, 16:10
I know this is very personal decision and depends on a whole raft of circumstances.

Looks like this is likely to be the case for me shortly.

Mich the Tester
11th January 2012, 16:14
I think I'd sooner live under a bridge than work for someone else.

DimPrawn
11th January 2012, 16:19
Do you enjoy the work?

Is the pay package good or a joke compared to your contract income?

Is it local or are you willing to relocate (commuting is time consuming and costly as a permie)?

Can you learn some new skills and get some paid for training and certification?

Do you actually enjoy the freedom, lifestyle and variety of contract work even though there may be bench time?

northernladuk
11th January 2012, 16:21
Do you enjoy the work?

Is the pay package good or a joke compared to your contract income?

Is it local or are you willing to relocate (commuting is time consuming and costly as a permie)?

Can you learn some new skills and get some paid for training and certification?

Do you actually enjoy the freedom, lifestyle and variety of contract work even though there may be bench time?

DimPrawn has been hacked again. This looks like good useful helpful advice and nothing about gold either!

KimberleyChris
11th January 2012, 16:23
Like somebody used to say in their footer:

"Permies earn more than benched Contractors".

Trust me....it's a good time to find a safe haven.

DimPrawn
11th January 2012, 16:23
DimPrawn has been hacked again. This looks like good useful helpful advice and nothing about gold either!

Or house prices!

Mich the Tester
11th January 2012, 16:27
Like somebody used to say in their footer:

"Permies earn more than benched Contractors".

Trust me....it's a good time to find a safe haven.

There are other options where you can still be self employed and I'd investigate those before permiedoom.

MrRobin
11th January 2012, 16:33
It wouldn't be a flat 'No' but there would have to be a pretty good package and prospects (training, progression, etc) for the idea to be entertained.

KimberleyChris
11th January 2012, 16:33
There are other options where you can still be self employed and I'd investigate those before permiedoom.

True,
It depends on the state of the industry that you work in.

In mine - engineering - getting from the cradle to the grave at the moment feels like crossing a wide river by standing on crocodiles.

Give me permie at the moment, you are not then sat right next to the door when the axe man cometh, as he will.

When things pick up again, you can always strike out as a Contractor. Go for safe now.

MarillionFan
11th January 2012, 16:54
I know this is very personal decision and depends on a whole raft of circumstances.

Looks like this is likely to be the case for me shortly.

Jump to permie if it's good enough.

If(like me) you wanted to move. I went cynically perm with a 6 figure salary(with bonus) so I could borrow shed loads from the bank. All I needed was 3 months worth of wage slips as opposed to 3 years worth of accounts(and the twunts take your gross salary). Landed up doing two years before contracting again for the last 2.5.

EternalOptimist
11th January 2012, 16:58
i know a bloke who has negotiated a 'permie/contractor' role.

still has his limited co, no notice period either way but has a two way verbal agreement that he will be there forever.
no paid hols training or sick. no pension, pays ir35



:rolleyes:

northernladuk
11th January 2012, 17:41
Or house prices!

Phew, he is back...

northernladuk
11th January 2012, 17:42
Ask AnyW's Mum for advice.

Scraggy!! Very disappointing. You could have done better than that surely????? :eek:

hugebrain
11th January 2012, 17:59
Like somebody used to say in their footer:

"Permies earn more than benched Contractors".



Depends where you are. Crazy Europeans give benched contractors a grand or more a week.

KimberleyChris
11th January 2012, 18:24
Depends where you are. Crazy Europeans give benched contractors a grand or more a week.

I don't get that when I'm working!!

Makes me wish there was a system where you could volunteer to be deported in place of an immigrant :-)

Scrag Meister
26th January 2012, 11:17
ClientCo are bringing in a max contractor tenure of 12 months down from 36, then Permie or leave.

The BIG plan is to be totally contractor free by end of 2013.

Spoke to my sponsoring manager last night and asked him if there was an update on this situation and he told me that the request for an exception for me had been raised by him and had been ok'd by his boss and passed up the ladder to his boss, only 2 more levels of managerial decisions to go and then I should know what is happening.

ThomasSoerensen
26th January 2012, 11:36
I don't get that when I'm working!!

Makes me wish there was a system where you could volunteer to be deported in place of an immigrant :-)

no need - you can always travel to Somalia and buy a second hanf AK47 - then you have work again - and the weather is nice there.

Support Monkey
26th January 2012, 11:43
I have always been more secure as a contractor than i ever was a a permie.

How many permies keep a warchest and could survive 12 months with no income, and when i get laid off i have my CV ready and know how to approach an interview unlike most permies i know.

Its a contractors life for me everytime

norrahe
26th January 2012, 12:12
What's the market like for your line of work?

If it is a case of not much warchest and the work is drying up then consider it.

I have had this decision in the past and chose to leave.

Peoplesoft bloke
26th January 2012, 12:32
ClientCo are bringing in a max contractor tenure of 12 months down from 36, then Permie or leave.

The BIG plan is to be totally contractor free by end of 2013.

Spoke to my sponsoring manager last night and asked him if there was an update on this situation and he told me that the request for an exception for me had been raised by him and had been ok'd by his boss and passed up the ladder to his boss, only 2 more levels of managerial decisions to go and then I should know what is happening.

Pathetic. New boss at my last permie Co tried this. Many of the contractors lasted longer than he did. Most competant managers recognise that a bit of slaggin contractors to keep the permies happy is enough.

OwlHoot
26th January 2012, 12:39
ClientCo are bringing in a max contractor tenure of 12 months down from 36, then Permie or leave. ...

Can't you just come to an arrangement to leave for a week or two, and then rejoin starting a new tenure?

Arturo Bassick
26th January 2012, 12:52
See if you can ascertain why they have a limited tenure for Tractors.

If it is just "company policy" then there is not much you can do other than pointing out the stupidity of turfing out your knowledge base every 12 months and wasting months training the new batch or having to maintain a team large enough to cope when there is a surge in demand.

If it is a genuine worry about temporary workers legislation the you can educate them into using best practice for hiring contractors. Point out that when done properly there are no issues for either the client or the contractor.

doodab
26th January 2012, 12:54
I would go permie for 200 x my day rate. Take it or leave it.

Oh yeah, and I'm not putting up with any of that APR bollocks either.

JohnAbroad
26th January 2012, 13:28
Jump to permie if it's good enough.

If(like me) you wanted to move. I went cynically perm with a 6 figure salary(with bonus) so I could borrow shed loads from the bank. All I needed was 3 months worth of wage slips as opposed to 3 years worth of accounts(and the twunts take your gross salary). Landed up doing two years before contracting again for the last 2.5.

Good advice to go permie if you need/want another house. If you work for bank X, then go to bank Y for mortgage, with employers staff mortgage as benchmark! If you loose your job you loose your staff mortgage. Plus bank Y really work at it, once you convince them it is for real.

Scrag Meister
26th January 2012, 13:31
Can't you just come to an arrangement to leave for a week or two, and then rejoin starting a new tenure?

6 months is the required period.

Support Monkey
26th January 2012, 13:48
See if you can ascertain why they have a limited tenure for Tractors.

If it is just "company policy" then there is not much you can do other than pointing out the stupidity of turfing out your knowledge base every 12 months and wasting months training the new batch or having to maintain a team large enough to cope when there is a surge in demand.

If it is a genuine worry about temporary workers legislation the you can educate them into using best practice for hiring contractors. Point out that when done properly there are no issues for either the client or the contractor.

WABS, its all very good saying no contractors but the minute some project comes up that urgently requires a non in house skill, its either:

1) get someone sorted this week,3 months time get rid
2) spend 2 months advertising, interviewing, second interview HR paperwork, 3 month project then find them something else to do for the rest of their working life or redundacy payment.

there will always be a place for the contractor

Scrag Meister
2nd February 2012, 16:26
Spoke to my sponsoring manager's boss today, and asked if he, being slightly further up the ladder, had anymore insight into my renewal or not as the case maybe, what with this new 12 month max policy for contractors being introduced.

He said that he had gone through his list of contractors and there were only a few that he could be bothered to put any effort into keeping, and I was one of them. Then he started going on about how the role I perform will probably be needed for a couple of years or more.

All words so far, waiting on the paperwork/emails to confirm the decision.

Told him that I'm only 5 weeks from end of contract and need to get this sorted asap.

Still looking and a few fingers in pies, but as is always said a bird in the hand.....

shaunbhoy
2nd February 2012, 21:15
Spoke to my sponsoring manager's boss today, and asked if he, being slightly further up the ladder, had anymore insight into my renewal or not as the case maybe, what with this new 12 month max policy for contractors being introduced.

He said that he had gone through his list of contractors and there were only a few that he could be bothered to put any effort into keeping, and I was one of them. Then he started going on about how the role I perform will probably be needed for a couple of years or more.

All words so far, waiting on the paperwork/emails to confirm the decision.

Told him that I'm only 5 weeks from end of contract and need to get this sorted asap.

Still looking and a few fingers in pies, but as is always said a bird in the hand.....

Sounds quite promising anyway. Good luck with it.

:yay:

moorfield
2nd February 2012, 23:13
Currently docked in perm harbour.

Nice easy life, no complaints, lots of WFH.

My boss got sacked a while ago. :laugh

Even managed to get my nads checked out by Bupa for free. Which was nice.

scooterscot
2nd February 2012, 23:21
They'd never take me alive.

This one time a line manager walks up to me in a hush hush like way and ask's if I would consider a full time position. An uncontrollable laugh that only sounded worse as I tried to hold back my expression give my answer sure enough. The contract was not renewed.

A year and half later they're on the phone direct asking me to come back for a 12 monther at least.

scooterscot
2nd February 2012, 23:23
Even managed to get my nads checked out by Bupa for free. Which was nice.

Are you saying you normally pay to get them felt?

Scrag Meister
20th February 2012, 09:44
6 months same rate, but next to zero probability of renewal after that.

But hey that's worth a :banana:.

norrahe
20th February 2012, 09:49
6 months same rate, but next to zero probability of renewal after that.

But hey that's worth a :banana:.

Congrats!

Top :banana:

Notascooby
20th February 2012, 09:49
Why not have a :banana2: too!

eek
20th February 2012, 09:53
6 month renewal is definitely a :banana:

slogger
20th February 2012, 10:12
6 month renewal is definitely a :banana:

just view it as a different sort of contract - just gone permy myself - sometimes feels quite wrong - but total comp is about 10% less than contracting at a pretty good rate - also looking at current contract rates in my area (unix/city) - they appear to be a lot lower than a year ago by a couple of hundred pounds per day . .. I do prefer the psychology of contracting, however the market at the moment is very bad ..

having said that if you where offered a long gig (6-12months) at a good rate somewhere I'd take that over permydoom!

jmo21
20th February 2012, 10:54
just the thought of performance reviews, team bonding events, permie political suck-fests (not that!! brown nosing.... not THAT!!!! ach you know what I mean) makes me shudder.