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    Question for socialists, capitalists, don'tcareists and all others

    Why does Britain still need a large private education system? Most of Europe seems to do just fine without.
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

    #2
    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    Why does Britain still need a large private education system? Most of Europe seems to do just fine without.
    To offer the insecure middleclass something to aspire to.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Churchill View Post
      To offer the insecure middleclass something to aspire to.
      Cynical pleb
      Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
        Why does Britain still need a large private education system? Most of Europe seems to do just fine without.
        Because the state schools in most other countries is up to the job. Certainly in Germany education is streamed and higher levels are only achievable on merit whereas in the UK any fooker can get a degree cos its only fair innit!
        Just saying like.

        where there's chaos, there's cash !

        I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong!

        Lowering the tone since 1963

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          #5
          Originally posted by Arturo Bassick View Post
          Because the state schools in most other countries is up to the job. Certainly in Germany education is streamed and higher levels are only achievable on merit whereas in the UK any fooker can get a degree cos its only fair innit!
          when

          awarding and streaming on merit is seen as elitism in this Country
          Coffee's for closers

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            #6
            Originally posted by Spacecadet View Post
            when

            awarding and streaming on merit is seen as elitism in this Country
            from recent experience:-

            All secondary schools stream children (they just don't explicitly claim to do so). The differences are:-

            In a grammar schools the best teachers generally teach the top class.

            In a comprehensive the best teachers teach those who are borderline pass / fail.

            Everyone games the system to their best advantage. For grammar schools who really compete amongst themselves on Red brick university entries they focus on getting more people into Oxbridge.

            For comprehensives the thing that matters is headline GCSE league table results and getting 5 more GCSE grade C swimming badges is the difference between a good and a bad year (and the head keeping his job).
            merely at clientco for the entertainment

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              #7
              Originally posted by eek View Post
              from recent experience:-

              All secondary schools stream children (they just don't explicitly claim to do so). The differences are:-

              In a grammar schools the best teachers generally teach the top class.

              In a comprehensive the best teachers teach those who are borderline pass / fail.

              Everyone games the system to their best advantage. For grammar schools who really compete amongst themselves on Red brick university entries they focus on getting more people into Oxbridge.

              For comprehensives the thing that matters is headline GCSE league table results and getting 5 more GCSE grade C swimming badges is the difference between a good and a bad year (and the head keeping his job).
              I feel hard done by now. If you could have done a Swimming GCSE back in the day, I might have got a some decent grades!
              And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                #8
                Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
                Why does Britain still need a large private education system? Most of Europe seems to do just fine without.
                Doesn't most of Europe charge far more in taxes to fund their schools? I tried to find a useful comparison online but failed... anyone? What do our Dutch & German permie friends pay?
                Originally posted by MaryPoppins
                I'd still not breastfeed a nazi
                Originally posted by vetran
                Urine is quite nourishing

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by d000hg View Post
                  Doesn't most of Europe charge far more in taxes to fund their schools? I tried to find a useful comparison online but failed... anyone? What do our Dutch & German permie friends pay?
                  Ummm, permie taxes, when you factor in social contributions, tax breaks, local taxes and so on, actually work out pretty much the same all over Europe. Dutch parents pay for school books plus a nominal fee for SOME schools, but the fee isn't really enough to affect choice. The real trouble in Holland is getting kids into pre-school education, which has long waiting lists.

                  The school system basically works pretty well if you ask most people, but politicians will always blow up problems so as to get funding for their favourite schemes or votes from the disgruntled.
                  And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
                    Doesn't most of Europe charge far more in taxes to fund their schools? I tried to find a useful comparison online but failed... anyone? What do our Dutch & German permie friends pay?
                    Total tax take as a % of GPD, 2009 (latest figures I have from OECD)

                    UK 34.3%
                    DE 37.3%
                    NL 38.2%

                    Of course not all of this is spent on education, you really need to look at education budget per school age child but finding that level of detailed information is a bit harder.
                    While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'

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