ECHR shoots itself in the foot again

[Mich the Tester]

Guys, I support the ECHR and I think on the whole it's good thing and an important institution, so stop pissing it all into the wind.

Abu Qatada cannot be deported to Jordan, European judges rule - Telegraph

[Arturo Bassick]

Not sure they are wrong on this one.
If he will be put on trial and evidence acquired using torture will be presented then it is right not to send him back.

[NickFitz]

Guys, I support the ECHR and I think on the whole it's good thing and an important institution, so stop pissing it all into the wind.

Abu Qatada cannot be deported to Jordan, European judges rule - Telegraph

Which bit of "More fundamentally, no legal system based upon the rule of law can countenance the admission of evidence – however reliable – which has been obtained by such a barbaric practice as torture. The trial process is a cornerstone of the rule of law. Torture evidence damages irreparably that process; it substitutes force for the rule of law and taints the reputation of any court that admits it. Torture evidence is excluded to protect the integrity of the trial process and, ultimately, the rule of law itself" do you disagreee with precisely?


http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/vi...2%20|%20qatada

[BrilloPad]

Sorry to sound Daily Mail about this - but the migrants the UK needs are economic migrants.

[Mich the Tester]

Which bit of "More fundamentally, no legal system based upon the rule of law can countenance the admission of evidence – however reliable – which has been obtained by such a barbaric practice as torture. The trial process is a cornerstone of the rule of law. Torture evidence damages irreparably that process; it substitutes force for the rule of law and taints the reputation of any court that admits it. Torture evidence is excluded to protect the integrity of the trial process and, ultimately, the rule of law itself" do you disagreee with precisely?


http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/vi...2%20|%20qatada

You sure that all the evidence was gathered by torture? I'm not; they can use the evidence obtained legally. Otherwise, try him in Britain, which during the 'reign' of Mr B Liar obviously had much lower standards than the rest of Europe.

[EternalOptimist]

Which bit of "More fundamentally, no legal system based upon the rule of law can countenance the admission of evidence – however reliable – which has been obtained by such a barbaric practice as torture. The trial process is a cornerstone of the rule of law. Torture evidence damages irreparably that process; it substitutes force for the rule of law and taints the reputation of any court that admits it. Torture evidence is excluded to protect the integrity of the trial process and, ultimately, the rule of law itself" do you disagreee with precisely?


http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/vi...2%20|%20qatada

ah, the old 'justice vs the law' debate

i would prefer to live in a just society, than a lawful one. if only it were within the wit of man

[Churchill]

Not sure they are wrong on this one.
If he will be put on trial and evidence acquired using torture will be presented then it is right not to send him back.

Which bit of "The bastard entered this country illegally and is deemed a threat to our national security" don't you understand?

Just asking, like...

[Arturo Bassick]

Which bit of "The bastard entered this country illegally and is deemed a threat to our national security" don't you understand?

Just asking, like...

I am perfectly happy to keep him under lock and key, just not to send him back to possibly an unfair trial, or is that too difficult a concept for you to grasp?

I would also suggest that as it is an ECHR decision to keep him safe then the cost of doing so should also fall upon them, maybe they can have him to look after.

[EternalOptimist]

I am perfectly happy to keep him under lock and key, just not to send him back to possibly an unfair trial, or is that too difficult a concept for you to grasp?

I would also suggest that as it is an ECHR decision to keep him safe then the cost of doing so should also fall upon them, maybe they can have him to look after.

you can have him then. we'll lock him in your shed eh ?

[Mich the Tester]

Which bit of "More fundamentally, no legal system based upon the rule of law can countenance the admission of evidence – however reliable – which has been obtained by such a barbaric practice as torture. The trial process is a cornerstone of the rule of law. Torture evidence damages irreparably that process; it substitutes force for the rule of law and taints the reputation of any court that admits it. Torture evidence is excluded to protect the integrity of the trial process and, ultimately, the rule of law itself" do you disagreee with precisely?


http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/vi...2%20|%20qatada

Fair enough, I misjudged it; you're right, the fundamental principles should be upheld. Which is why Mr Tony B Liar should be put on trial.