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UK rejects German 'olive branch' of exchange tax

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    UK rejects German 'olive branch' of exchange tax

    German economic minister Philipp Roesler on Friday floated a European "bourse tax" as a compromise to a wide-ranging financial transactions tax (FTT) that would hit London harder than other European financial centres and make the City less attractive as a global business centre.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman called the idea "sensible". Speaking ahead of Monday's eurozone financial ministers summit, he said: "[Mr Roesler] is looking at all possibilities for getting the UK on board... We need to find out in talks whether a bourse tax could be a bridge for the UK, then Germany will discuss this with its European partners."

    No details have emerged how such a scheme, which could fund economies reeling from the eurozone debt crisis, could work. pb]However, it might be similar to the 0.5pc stamp duty on share trades already in place in Britain, which is levied on the investor.[/b] A similar scheme could be introduced across all of Europe.

    But the proposal is unlikely to win No 10's backing. Last month the Prime Minister blocked European legislation aimed at defusing the eurozone debt crisis after failing to win safeguards for the City.

    Earlier this month, he said he would veto a European FTT unless it was imposed globally, widening the split with Brussels.

    Think-tank Open Europe warned if an additional levy is imposed on the UK's current tax it is unlikely to win support. Raoul Ruparel, head of economic research, said: "If it is imposed only on shares this bourse tax may not have such a big impact but if it covers, say, derivatives, then it would have a disproportionate effect on the UK because of the size of the City.

    "The FTT is never going to work in the UK and this doesn't seem on the surface that much different: a similar proposition but in another wrapper."

    Andrew Tyrie, chairman of the Treasury Select Committee, said: "Most people agree the FTT is unworkable. The FTT or anything that amounts to one is, and almost certainly should be, a non-starter at European level: the effects would be incalculable and possibly deeply pernicious to the UK. Blindly targeting all financial transactions goes for the wrong target and will make us no safer but could make us poorer."

    Syed Kamall, Conservative MEP for London, also dismissed the new levy. "Germany knows that a FTT will invite another UK veto so it's understandable they are floating alternative ideas," he said. "Whatever the merits or pitfalls of such a levy, all monies raised must go to national treasuries, not pay for EU pet projects."

    The Treasury said while it had no objection in principle to a globally applied FTT, its position currently remained unchanged.

    Elsewhere in the Europe, tension ratcheted up in Greece over the country striking a deal with private bondholders on how big a haircut they would take.

    As talks ended without a resolution on Friday night, sources close to the negotiations said bondholders would suffer a real loss of 65pc to 70pc.

    The new bonds would have a 30-year maturity, with a 10-year "grace period" and a "progressive" coupon that averaged out at 4pc.

    Greek politicians and the country's creditors will start talks again on Saturday morning.

    Greece is running out of time to reach an agreement by Monday's deadline so it can secure the next €14.5bn tranche of its €130bn rescue package. The impasse saw European markets slip, with the FTSE 100, CAC 40 and DAX all falling 0.2pc.

    In Italy, the Cabinet approved laws to kickstart the economy by deregulating tightly controlled service sectors and professions.

    Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orban gave up his plan to take control of the central bank, easing pressure from the EU.

    Source: UK rejects German 'olive branch' of exchange tax - Telegraph

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    Stamp Duty which is actually a transaction tax Cameron fights to hard makes good sense actually because it reduces number of fake short term transactions and encourages long term investment. It already exists but penalises the wrong people, say buying a house is something long term that should be encouraged and no need to charge stamp duty on such purchases, especially given that lots of banks get away with it - hence average share ownership now is measured in seconds rather than years.

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    Apart from the pace of 'cuts' at home, I'm getting to like David Cameron more each day.

    Frankfurt and La Defence have had their jealous eyes on the City for decades. Even as a natural Labour supporter, I have to admit that Gordon Brown would have signed pretty well any treaty that was put in front of him.

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      #3
      Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
      Frankfurt and La Defence have had their jealous eyes on the City for decades.
      No, they were not jealous - they did not like it because it allowed to make money from hot air instead of putting up with long term investment challenged into engineering and other manufacturing of real things. They have no desire to take City's place - they just don't that black hole to suck money from their own local banks.

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        #4
        Originally posted by AtW View Post
        No, they were not jealous - they did not like it because it allowed to make money from hot air instead of putting up with long term investment challenged into engineering and other manufacturing of real things. They have no desire to take City's place - they just don't that black hole to suck money from their own local banks.
        Maybe. I'll assume that you know a lot more about this than I do.

        But, do you think that Frankfurt and Paris would turn down the chance to also 'make money out of hot air' themselves at the expense of the City, if only they could just use the EU to slant the playing field in their direction?

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          #5
          Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
          But, do you think that Frankfurt and Paris would turn down the chance to also 'make money out of hot air' themselves at the expense of the City, if only they could just use the EU to slant the playing field in their direction?
          But why didn't they so far, you really think it's because ze City is so fooking great? The reason is poor regulation with very few questions asked where the money coming from, just look at who has been floating on LSE in the last few years: the reason they did not go to NYSE or NASDAQ is because they'd have to answer a lot of questions that they'd rather not.

          My guess is that both France and Germany would have never allowed their local exchanges to get into this tulip full time, they don't like the City because it allowed their own money flow the wrong way in pursued for quick profits from hot air.

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            #6
            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            But why didn't they so far, you really think it's because ze City is so fooking great? The reason is poor regulation with very few questions asked where the money coming from,
            It never did the Swiss any harm :-)

            I'm no fan of the City - I just don't move in those circles - but it's pretty well all we have at the moment.

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              #7
              Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
              I'm no fan of the City - I just don't move in those circles - but it's pretty well all we have at the moment.
              No it's not. That's a myth spun by the financial services to keep us all in their thrall.
              While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'

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                #8
                Originally posted by doodab View Post
                No it's not. That's a myth spun by the financial services to keep us all in their thrall.
                WHS

                They sure have very well paid lobby.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  WHS

                  They sure have very well paid lobby.

                  So if their true agenda is to rid banking of its "dirty spekulants" and if these people are responsible for the banking problems surely it would be much easier if like you they openly gave this as the reason for wanting to tax it.
                  Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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                    #10
                    I'll go for a reformed City.

                    'Well regulated, ethical, and honest' may be a bit of an optimistic goal, given some of the characters involved.

                    But at least it will be under the control of Westminster (i.e. us) rather than having its main money-generating arm asset-stripped and divided amongst the Europeans.

                    Let the EU impose whatever taxes it wants in the eurozone. Hopefully they will choke on them, and drive some of your 'long-term industrial investment' in our direction for a change.

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