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    Pru plots move to Hong Kong

    Oh dear - bye bye London.

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...icle877612.ece



    A crackdown by Brussels has driven Britain’s biggest insurance company to prepare for shifting its headquarters to Asia

    Prudential was founded in London 163 years ago but could now leave the capital (Chris Young)
    Prudential, the £18 billion British insurance giant, is examining plans to move its headquarters from London to Hong Kong.

    Tidjane Thiam, the chief executive, is understood to have ordered the review in response to tough new European regulations due to come into effect next January.

    Prudential, founded in London 163 years ago and Britain’s biggest insurer, is expected to admit to the review in the fine print of its annual report.

    A decision to move the company’s headquarters out of Britain would be a symbolic blow to the City, damaging its status as the global centre of the insurance industry.

    However, it would come as a relief to some shareholders, who have been pushing for a move closer to the heart of Prudential’s biggest market, Asia.

    Thiam has been a vociferous critic of the new rules. The regime, known as Solvency II, will require European insurers to increase their capital requirements — the amount they must keep available to reduce the risk of insolvency.

    At the World Economic Forum in Davos last month, Thiam said the new rules would force Prudential to dispose of £11 billion of investments in British infrastructure projects. It would also force the company to reduce the amount it lends to banks.

    The rules have already been broadly attacked for the additional costs that they would impose on pension annuities. However, it is understood that there is a much bigger problem for Prudential lurking in the proposals.

    A conflict between American insurance regulations and the Solvency 11 rules would force Prudential to hold billions of pounds in additional capital to protect its American business, Jackson Life, one of the largest life insurers in America.

    The Financial Services Authority is believed to have told Prudential to prepare documents illustrating how it would deal with this element of the new rules — including proposals to relocate its headquarters to Asia.

    Only the British part of the group would then be subjected to the Solvency II rules.

    Prudential has previously insisted that a break-up of its business would make no financial sense. The group’s credit rating could also be affected if it attempted to sell the British business or Jackson Life.
    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

    #2
    I get sick of large UK companies who have no allegiance to the UK holding the UK to ransom.

    The problem is I cannot think a solution!

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      #3
      Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
      The problem is I cannot think a solution!
      Import taxes on sales from jurisdictions that have very different taxes/labour rates/laws.

      Anybody who is big enough exporters would need to incorporate in relevant country and pay relevant taxes.

      After that if they want to move to Asia because their main market is Asia then fair enough, but if they want to be in cheap zone but sell back to where they left then they should not gain any advantages.

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        #4
        Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
        I get sick of large UK companies who have no allegiance to the UK holding the UK to ransom.

        The problem is I cannot think a solution!
        I can.

        If you are a MD and your company exports jobs out of Britain, then you and your family go with them.

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          #5
          Originally posted by AtW View Post
          Import taxes on sales from jurisdictions that have very different taxes/labour rates/laws.
          Thing is that trade wars tend to be bad. In fact the UK has done best over the last few hundred years by having less import taxes than anywhere else.

          Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
          I can.

          If you are a MD and your company exports jobs out of Britain, then you and your family go with them.
          They might move the whiole company out of the UK? Or get in a foreign MD?

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            #6
            Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
            Thing is that trade wars tend to be bad. In fact the UK has done best over the last few hundred years by having less import taxes than anywhere else.
            There should be no import taxes on goods and services made in countries that have more or less level competitive conditions - essentially free trade zone that includes EU, USA, Canada, Japan and maybe couple more countries: certainly not China however.

            UK lost it's industry because:
            a) too cheap to import
            b) too shortsighted Govt/business

            It's much easier to move trillions of dollars in electronic accounts.

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              #7
              Pru have been threatening to move to asia for years.
              "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester Freamon

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                #8
                Originally posted by KimberleyChris View Post
                I can.

                If you are a MD and your company exports jobs out of Britain, then you and your family go with them.
                Being shuffled off to Hong Kong is hardly a punishment...

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                  #9
                  All talk no action...

                  I can name a few UK companies who have talked about moving to Hong Kong over the years and yet no action.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by AtW View Post
                    There should be no import taxes on goods and services made in countries that have more or less level competitive conditions - essentially free trade zone that includes EU, USA, Canada, Japan and maybe couple more countries: certainly not China however.

                    UK lost it's industry because:
                    a) too cheap to import
                    b) too shortsighted Govt/business

                    It's much easier to move trillions of dollars in electronic accounts.
                    Some of this was true at the beginning but we have started to enter a new phase where it is now more cost effective to do the work offshore not just because we get slave labour but because everything else is made over there so there is no point shipping components that all atrract duty. When you can ship the finished object.

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/bu...pagewanted=all

                    My uncle ran a company making precision tools for the Birmingham motor industry. When he died he left the best part of a million quid to his two kids. (that was back when a big house in London was less than 100k) He build his fortune because he could walk down to the factories and do deals on the spot. Thats what we have given the third world. Unless we remove import duty on cheap components so that we can go back to manufacturing the finished product we are dead in the water.

                    As for pru doing a walk. It's not like they would loose anything if the UK said fine we will boycot your products. (The Asian markets will cover the loss of uk trade 200 times over)...

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