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AtW
31st May 2012, 15:32
"The Daily Telegraph has learnt that government officials have begun private discussions with the motoring industry and drivers’ groups about an overhaul of the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) rules.

The talks come as ministers try to prevent a fall in tax revenues as more motorists choose smaller, cleaner cars that incur a lower rate of duty. Labour has accused the Coalition of planning a “stealth tax” on drivers, effectively punishing them for going green.

Ministers say that while they have not finalised their plans, changes may be necessary to ensure the “sustainability of the public finances”.

One option being considered would replace the annual tax on cars with a one-off up-front charge on new vehicles when they are sold.

Chloe Smith, a Treasury minister, told the Commons last week that ministers are “considering whether Vehicle Excise Duty should be reformed to support the sustainability of public finances and to reflect the improvements in vehicle fuel efficiency”. As part of that process, motoring groups and other interested parties have been invited into the Treasury to discuss potential changes to VED.

One source involved in the discussions said ministers have made it clear that the consultation will lead to higher tax rates on some motorists.

“Revenues are under threat and it’s pretty clear that the Treasury needs to do something to increase its tax take or face losing a lot of money,” the source said.

Annual road tax for cars ranges from zero for those with the lowest CO2 emissions — which include electric and hybrid cars — to more than £200 for those with larger and less efficient petrol and diesel engines.

VED raises almost £6 billion a year for the Treasury, but official forecasts show that the revenue from the tax will fall as more people chose to drive low-emission cars.

Road tax rules give drivers a financial incentive to choose low-emission vehicles, as cleaner cars qualify for lower rates of VED.

Low-emission models like the Toyota Prius or the Nissan Leaf attract a zero rate of VED.

Cars in Band E face a £135 charge, and include some models of the VW Passat and the Nissan Juke.

Band H cars cost £275 in their first year and £195 a year afterwards. They include some models of the VW Golf and the Ford Focus. "

Source: Drivers punished for going green - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring/9301269/Drivers-punished-for-going-green.html)

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

AtW
31st May 2012, 15:40
Back to driving on bald tyres in proper 10 year test mode.

3 points each corner not worth it :sick

OwlHoot
31st May 2012, 16:15
Then again:

No MOT required for pre 1960 motors ‹ Drive Start (http://www.drivestart.co.uk/wp/news/no-mot-required-for-pre-1960-motors)

Hurrah!

Back to driving on bald tyres in proper 10 year test mode.

I'd have thought pre-1960 cars were the most in need of MOTs, although presumably most are lovingly maintained

But maybe their workings are so primitive and unfamiliar compared with today's cars and MOT check list that it wouldn't be practical

DodgyAgent
31st May 2012, 16:21
"The Daily Telegraph has learnt that government officials have begun private discussions with the motoring industry and drivers’ groups about an overhaul of the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) rules.

The talks come as ministers try to prevent a fall in tax revenues as more motorists choose smaller, cleaner cars that incur a lower rate of duty. Labour has accused the Coalition of planning a “stealth tax” on drivers, effectively punishing them for going green.

Ministers say that while they have not finalised their plans, changes may be necessary to ensure the “sustainability of the public finances”.

One option being considered would replace the annual tax on cars with a one-off up-front charge on new vehicles when they are sold.

Chloe Smith, a Treasury minister, told the Commons last week that ministers are “considering whether Vehicle Excise Duty should be reformed to support the sustainability of public finances and to reflect the improvements in vehicle fuel efficiency”. As part of that process, motoring groups and other interested parties have been invited into the Treasury to discuss potential changes to VED.

One source involved in the discussions said ministers have made it clear that the consultation will lead to higher tax rates on some motorists.

“Revenues are under threat and it’s pretty clear that the Treasury needs to do something to increase its tax take or face losing a lot of money,” the source said.

Annual road tax for cars ranges from zero for those with the lowest CO2 emissions — which include electric and hybrid cars — to more than £200 for those with larger and less efficient petrol and diesel engines.

VED raises almost £6 billion a year for the Treasury, but official forecasts show that the revenue from the tax will fall as more people chose to drive low-emission cars.

Road tax rules give drivers a financial incentive to choose low-emission vehicles, as cleaner cars qualify for lower rates of VED.

Low-emission models like the Toyota Prius or the Nissan Leaf attract a zero rate of VED.

Cars in Band E face a £135 charge, and include some models of the VW Passat and the Nissan Juke.

Band H cars cost £275 in their first year and £195 a year afterwards. They include some models of the VW Golf and the Ford Focus. "

Source: Drivers punished for going green - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring/9301269/Drivers-punished-for-going-green.html)

:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

Anyone who drives a Prius should be run over let alone taxed more

Sysman
31st May 2012, 19:35
Then again:

No MOT required for pre 1960 motors ‹ Drive Start (http://www.drivestart.co.uk/wp/news/no-mot-required-for-pre-1960-motors)

Hurrah!

Back to driving on bald tyres in proper 10 year test mode.

:rollin:

They are making the usual townie assumption that anyone with such an old car has the brass to keep it in mint condtition.

Sysman
31st May 2012, 19:38
I'd have thought pre-1960 cars were the most in need of MOTs, although presumably most are lovingly maintained

But maybe their workings are so primitive and unfamiliar compared with today's cars and MOT check list that it wouldn't be practical

I kept a spare carburettor for MOTs for my 1973 Land Rover, just to get it through the MOT's emission test.

The motor ran like crap with that carb, farting, stalling and no power, so the old one went back on as soon as I got the certificate :D

lilelvis2000
31st May 2012, 20:24
I'd have thought pre-1960 cars were the most in need of MOTs, although presumably most are lovingly maintained

But maybe their workings are so primitive and unfamiliar compared with today's cars and MOT check list that it wouldn't be practical

Most are probably driven less than 5000 miles per year. Makes sense really. I think one year I drove my 1972 500 miles yet still had to do another MOT. which doesn't. The more a vehicle is driven, surely the more often it should be maintained and thus checked.

darmstadt
31st May 2012, 20:40
Anyone who drives a Prius should be run over let alone taxed more

I saw a Prius taxi the other day and vowed that if he turned up outside of the pub to take me home I would go back in and continue drinking until the first bus came (or walk)

EternalOptimist
31st May 2012, 21:02
I saw a Prius taxi the other day and vowed that if he turned up outside of the pub to take me home I would go back in and continue drinking until the first bus came (or walk)

Damn right too.

Although I am not prejudiced against the Prius. If ANY taxi turned up I would go back in and continue drinking until the first bus came

Cheers



:rolleyes:

AtW
31st May 2012, 21:30
Looks like I picked a bad week to choose next car with V8 engine...

gingerjedi
31st May 2012, 21:37
Looks like I picked a bad week to choose next car with V8 engine...

Nah they don't want to scare you off, not with all that lovely fuel duty you'd provide. :smile

They're going after those morally repugnant tax dodgers who bought cars with small engines and low emissions. :rolleyes:

Old Hack
1st June 2012, 09:54
The tax for people who drive older cars is to spend most sundays fixing them.

DodgyAgent
1st June 2012, 10:04
[QUOTE=zeitghost;1553720]Dunno about that, my 1959 Rover P4 was reasonably up to date in many ways.

Have you had it since new?