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Gentile
3rd July 2012, 21:44
It seems like there's been a couple of tricky interviews this week amongst CUKers. I thought, therefore, that this might be a good time to review interview skills, by dusting off that perennial topic of "how should you answer when they ask you what your biggest weakness is?". Of course, conventional wisdom is to state a 'weakness' that's really a disguised strength, such as "Oh, I'm just too much of a damned perfectionist", or "I'm just so nice, I have to watch that people don't take advantage of my generosity", rather than blurting out that you're a terrible thief or mentioning that you can't handle your drink and trotting out that anecdote about your having defecated under the Christmas tree at the office party in front of the CEO's wife that time.

So, CUKers, pray tell, what are your greatest weaknesses?

MarillionFan
3rd July 2012, 21:46
It seems like there's been a couple of tricky interviews this week amongst CUKers. I thought, therefore, that this might be a good time to review interview skills, by dusting off that perennial topic of "how should you answer when they ask you what your biggest weakness is?". Of course, conventional wisdom is to state a 'weakness' that's really a disguised strength, such as "Oh, I'm just too much of a damned perfectionist", or "I'm just so nice, I have to watch that people don't take advantage of my generosity", rather than blurting out that you're a terrible thief or mentioning that you can't handle your drink and trotting out that anecdote about your having defecated under the Christmas tree at the office party in front of the CEO's wife that time.

So, CUKers, pray tell, what are your greatest weaknesses?

You're a ****.

I'm too honest.

northernladuk
3rd July 2012, 21:48
Coke and prostitutes....

MarillionFan
3rd July 2012, 21:48
Coke and prostitutes....

Diet coke surely?

Alf W
3rd July 2012, 21:54
It seems like there's been a couple of tricky interviews this week amongst CUKers. I thought, therefore, that this might be a good time to review interview skills, by dusting off that perennial topic of "how should you answer when they ask you what your biggest weakness is?". Of course, conventional wisdom is to state a 'weakness' that's really a disguised strength, such as "Oh, I'm just too much of a damned perfectionist", or "I'm just so nice, I have to watch that people don't take advantage of my generosity", rather than blurting out that you're a terrible thief or mentioning that you can't handle your drink and trotting out that anecdote about your having defecated under the Christmas tree at the office party in front of the CEO's wife that time.

So, CUKers, pray tell, what are your greatest weaknesses?

Has anyone ever actually been asked this question or is it just some urban myth? Nobody has ever asked me this question and I've never heard it asked in any interview I've sat in on.

Spacecadet
3rd July 2012, 21:59
Has anyone ever actually been asked this question or is it just some urban myth? Nobody has ever asked me this question and I've never heard it asked in any interview I've sat in on.

I've been asked it but it was many years ago for perm roles.

Anyway there is only 1 real answer:
"I've got **** all patience for stupid interview questions."

Gentile
3rd July 2012, 22:00
Has anyone ever actually been asked this question or is it just some urban myth? Nobody has ever asked me this question and I've never heard it asked in any interview I've sat in on.

Oh yes. The Public Sector is a great believer in the Behavioural Competency myth that "past behaviour is the best indicator of future performance". There may well be something in that basic idea, but they do tend to forget that when they ask questions like that of candidates, it's not the person's actual past behaviour they're usually getting, but the candidate's rose-tinted recollection of their own behaviour. I know plenty of good people who just don't do well in that type of interview, even though they're very skilled. And I know some very good raconteurs that do impress in that type of interview, but who're not as capable at the actual job.

Gentile
3rd July 2012, 22:07
"I just can't seem to help myself manipulating the Libor rates, earning my employer £6bn in 2011 in the process. We were fined a whole £290M for my failings, so I'll really need to work on that in future. However, I'm looking forward to putting all that behind me and becoming your new banking tsar, Mr Cameron."

- B. Diamond, at his next interview.

Spacecadet
3rd July 2012, 22:07
Oh yes. The Public Sector is a great believer in the Behavioural Competency myth that "past behaviour is the best indicator of future performance". There may well be something in that basic idea, but they do tend to forget that when they ask questions like that of candidates, it's not the person's actual past behaviour they're usually getting, but the candidate's rose-tinted recollection of their own behaviour. I know plenty of good people who just don't do well in that type of interview, even though they're very skilled. And I know some very good raconteurs that do impress in that type of interview, but who're not as capable at the actual job.

I had an interview last summer for a contract at an NHS trust. The HR droid - a young chap who looked like he was 2 weeks out of university - tagged along. After I'd answered a few proper work related questions from the PM it was HR's turn. First question:
"What attracts you to working in the NHS?"

There was an awkward silence for about 30 seconds whilst I glared at him and tried to think of something polite to say and then the PM jumped in and saved me. There were no more HR questions after that :D

sbakoola
3rd July 2012, 22:09
knockers

norrahe
3rd July 2012, 22:31
Has anyone ever actually been asked this question or is it just some urban myth? Nobody has ever asked me this question and I've never heard it asked in any interview I've sat in on.

Quite a few times and always for contract roles. It's also how you can tell what the permie mentality is like in the company.

Though I was asked once for a 3 month gig "where do you see yourself in 5 years time?". :laugh

Gentile
3rd July 2012, 22:34
Quite a few times and always for contract roles. It's also how you can tell what the permie mentality is like in the company.

Though I was asked once for a 3 month gig "where do you see yourself in 5 years time?". :laugh

You must have impressed! That's a helluva extension! :laugh

norrahe
3rd July 2012, 22:43
You must have impressed! That's a helluva extension! :laugh

I sure did. :laugh

It was one of those interviews where they start asking you about skills that aren't on your CV and you realise that the pimp blagged your cv into the interview pile and the manager hadn't read your CV. :eyes :laugh

MarillionFan
3rd July 2012, 23:25
My modesty

AtW
3rd July 2012, 23:32
I am way too nice to people who don't deserve it.

DimPrawn
3rd July 2012, 23:32
Blondes.


:o

norrahe
4th July 2012, 00:24
I am way too nice to people who don't deserve it.

I thought it was bargain sofas? ;)

AtW
4th July 2012, 00:34
I thought it was bargain sofas? ;)

I've improved considerably in the last 18 months. :wink

NotAllThere
4th July 2012, 06:19
I've been asked it but it was many years ago for perm roles.

Anyway there is only 1 real answer:
"I've got **** all patience for stupid interview questions."Effectively that but rather more diplomatic. I just smile, and say - I've been asked that question a few times in interviews. It's not one I'd use myself. Shall we move on?

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 06:49
Wine Gums

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 06:54
Wine Gums

whs

MarillionFan
4th July 2012, 07:04
Wine Gums

A lot of pensioners do. It's to do with their brittle teeth.

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:09
A lot of pensioners do. It's to do with their brittle teeth.

Wow, didn't know that MF, cheers. You old folk are a font of useless knowledge

Lockhouse
4th July 2012, 07:12
Cheese & biscuits.

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 07:14
I just punch them in the face and let them work it out for themselves.

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 07:17
This is one of those questions that makes me wonder how stupid the interviewer really is. What the hell do they want me to say? How about something along the lines of; 'stripping off, jumping up and down on my desk and singing 'look at my willy' to the tune of Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries.'

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 07:19
This is one of those questions that makes me wonder how stupid the interviewer really is. What the hell do they want me to say? How about something along the lines of; 'stripping off, jumping up and down on my desk and singing 'look at my willy' to the tune of Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries.'

To be fair, it's people like you who validate this type of questioning. They deserve to know at the interview stage.

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:21
Just give them a bone really, something anondyne along the lines of 'I sometimes get too caught up in the detail', or 'I find it hard to walk away from an unsolved problem'.

I don't think I believe there's anyone who'd say 'now thats just a silly question' at a gig they were interested in, that really doesn't make any sense at all.

Bacchus
4th July 2012, 07:21
'stripping off, jumping up and down on my desk and singing 'look at my willy' to the tune of Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries.'

If you worked in sales that would be seen as a strength

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 07:22
Oooooo.

Is that the one where the ladies with horned helmets on fly helicopters in Vietnam?

Have you been borrowing Xog's copy of Apoocalypse Now?

MarillionFan
4th July 2012, 07:22
This is one of those questions that makes me wonder how stupid the interviewer really is. What the hell do they want me to say? How about something along the lines of; 'stripping off, jumping up and down on my desk and singing 'look at my willy' to the tune of Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries.'

Wow! I thought i was the only one who'd ever done that.

FiveTimes
4th July 2012, 07:24
I've been asked where do you see yourself in x years ... for a 6 month gig, but if someone asks me what would I consider my weaknesses I usually reply that I don't do documentation very well and prefer to write good readable code with the occasional comment :D

Clare@InTouch
4th July 2012, 07:25
Has anyone ever actually been asked this question or is it just some urban myth? Nobody has ever asked me this question and I've never heard it asked in any interview I've sat in on.

I've been asked something similar to that in an interview before - "tell me three negatives about yourself". I can't remember what I said, probably the usual "I'm a perfectionist" but I found out later that one of the candidates for the job had given the answer "my nose is too big".

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:25
I like to 'strip off, and jump up and down on the (heavily reinforced) desk, singing 'find my willy' to the tune of Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries.'

FTFY

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 07:27
When applying for Unix jobs;
'I'm quite normal Monday to Thursday but Friday is my Orc day.'

When applying for a job as a bank director;
'I have a complex relationship with the truth'

When applying for testing jobs;
'I am better at breaking things than making things'

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:28
When applying for Unix jobs;
'I'm quite normal Monday to Thursday but Friday is my Orc day.'

When applying for a job as a bank director;
'I have a complex relationship with the truth'

When applying for testing jobs;
'I am better at breaking things than making things'

When applying for PM roles;
'I am better at telling, than doing'


This could run

Moscow Mule
4th July 2012, 07:28
Port and stilton. Fortunately, I'm blessed with excellent genetics and my cholesterol is very low.

I once got asked "Why should we hire you over anybody else?". I answered, "I work hard and I'm a really nice guy" which seemed to get a laugh (and the job).

My opinion is that you don't want to alienate the interviewer for the rest of the interview as that's just impolite so I muddle through the "HR" questions, and put a black mark in the "culture" box when assessing the client.

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:31
My opinion is that you don't want to alienate the interviewer for the rest of the interview as that's just impolite so I muddle through the "HR" questions, and put a black mark in the "culture" box when assessing the client.

100% on the money; if you want the gig, why be impolite, or obtuse, or even evasive?

MarillionFan
4th July 2012, 07:34
What is my greatest weakness?

I always need to have the last word.

Supremespod.

NotAllThere
4th July 2012, 07:35
...I don't think I believe there's anyone who'd say 'now thats just a silly question' at a gig they were interested in, that really doesn't make any sense at all.The two are mutually exclusive. If that question is asked, and they really want an answer, then I really don't want the gig.

Of course, if your only option is MacDonalds, then you just have to go with it.

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:39
The two are mutually exclusive. If that question is asked, and they really want an answer, then I really don't want the gig.

Of course, if your only option is MacDonalds, then you just have to go with it.

Of course, a Non sequitur, but I digress.

If you don't want the gig, why be polite then, why not simply balls up and say, sorry, this isn't the position for me, rather than the quite gentle 'I have been asked that before, and maybe you should ask a different one'. Now these two answers are, well, different aren't they?

mudskipper
4th July 2012, 07:50
red wine.

BrilloPad
4th July 2012, 07:52
My greatest weakness - posting on cuk. It only ends up in a whole heap of trouble. But it could be worse - it could be like that video "whole heap of trouble" :eek

NotAllThere
4th July 2012, 07:52
I'll only know I don't want the gig when they interviewer has responded to my sally.

Interviewer: "So, what's you're greatest weakness".
Me, with wry smile "'I have been asked that a few times before in interview. Which of the standard answers do you want?"

If the interviewer huffs and puffs and gets annoyed - I then get out of there as soon as possible. Or, they agree it's a stupid question and we carry on.

HTH

BrilloPad
4th July 2012, 07:54
I was once asked my greatest weakness in an interview - I replied "bribing interviewers to get the job".

TimberWolf
4th July 2012, 07:56
My strength is my weakness and my weakness is my strength grasshopper.

Old Hack
4th July 2012, 07:57
Effectively that but rather more diplomatic. I just smile, and say - I've been asked that question a few times in interviews. It's not one I'd use myself. Shall we move on?


I'll only know I don't want the gig when they interviewer has responded to my sally.

Interviewer: "So, what's you're greatest weakness".
Me, with wry smile "'I have been asked that a few times before in interview. Which of the standard answers do you want?"

If the interviewer huffs and puffs and gets annoyed - I then get out of there as soon as possible. Or, they agree it's a stupid question and we carry on.

HTH

That's fair enough. However, I would consider it rude, were I interviewing. It's not a question I would ask, so I see your point, as it will invariably bring an answer designed to make you look good, whilst apearing bad, so it's pointless. However, if I am asked it, I would always respond. Maybe I have it wrong and more respect would be shown for saying, 'ask me some proper questions, not from the crib sheet'. But hey ho, we all have different techniques.

wobbegong
4th July 2012, 07:59
I've improved considerably in the last 18 months. :wink

Have you lost a few pounds and shaved that "porn star" 'tashe off, then?

wobbegong
4th July 2012, 08:00
red wine.

. . . and cheese.

Mmmmmmmmm, cheese. :tongue

DS23
4th July 2012, 08:41
i'm with old hack on this one.

oscarose
4th July 2012, 08:53
Booze.

HTH

:emb

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 09:00
That's fair enough. However, I would consider it rude, were I interviewing. It's not a question I would ask, so I see your point, as it will invariably bring an answer designed to make you look good, whilst apearing bad, so it's pointless. However, if I am asked it, I would always respond. Maybe I have it wrong and more respect would be shown for saying, 'ask me some proper questions, not from the crib sheet'. But hey ho, we all have different techniques.

Maybe they don't want the answer, but they want to see how you deal with stupid questions.

Gentile
4th July 2012, 09:23
Maybe they don't want the answer, but they want to see how you deal with stupid questions.

I think that's exactly the point of questions like these. Of course nobody cares about the safe, sensible and trite answers that aware people trot out. They do care, however, about whether people can communicate at all levels. The average person is pretty unaware about technology, at least in those areas that you may be an expert in. And, by definition, half of them will be even less aware than that. Some of those people will be users and managers of the systems you'll hopefully be successfully implementing during a given contract. Some others, whilst unaware about technology, will still be experts in their own niche areas that you'll have no knowledge of but will have to get up to speed on. How an incoming technical expert manages those knowledge gaps running in both directions is a big part of what makes them effective or not; there's a huge difference between being knowledgeable and skilled, and being able to be effective in your dealings with people. If you can't play nice when you get asked a 'stupid' question in an interview, it's unlikely that you'll be able to play nice when someone asks you a 'stupid' question (= "something that you know but they don't") about the technologies you're there to implement.

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 09:26
I think that's exactly the point of questions like these. Of course nobody cares about the safe, sensible and trite answers that aware people trot out. They do care, however, about whether people can communicate at all levels. The average person is pretty unaware about technology, at least in those areas that you may be an expert in. And, by definition, half of them will be even less aware than that. Some of those people will be users and managers of the systems you'll hopefully be successfully implementing during a given contract. Some others, whilst unaware about technology, will still be experts in their own niche areas that you'll have no knowledge of but will have to get up to speed on. How an incoming technical expert manages those knowledge gaps running in both directions is a big part of what makes them effective or not; there's a huge difference between being knowledgeable and skilled, and being able to be effective in your dealings with people. If you can't play nice when you get asked a 'stupid' question in an interview, it's unlikely that you'll be able to play nice when someone asks you a 'stupid' question (= "something that you know but they don't") about the technologies you're there to implement.

:bluelight far too sensible for CUK General :bluelight

Can we get back to silly answers please?

Gentile
4th July 2012, 09:28
:bluelight far too sensible for CUK General :bluelight

Can we get back to silly answers please?

Quite right, Mich; sorry - I don't know what I was thinking. ;)

oscarose
4th July 2012, 09:28
:nopics:

exguid
4th July 2012, 09:30
Diet coke surely?
Ha ha, yeah, prostitutes love that stuff.

exguid
4th July 2012, 09:39
This is one of those questions that makes me wonder how stupid the interviewer really is. What the hell do they want me to say? How about something along the lines of; 'stripping off, jumping up and down on my desk and singing 'look at my willy' to the tune of Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries.'

exactly, I've been interviewed and held interviews, and I can't imagine being able to keep a straight face to hear or to ask the question. It's way too hacknied, too contrived and too obvious. I can't imagine anyone expecting to get an honest answer to it. Most people probably don't even know what their greatest weakness is, but I bet they've all got an answer to that question that is basically a strenght dressed up as a weakness. Daft.

I'm too persistent, by the way, keep pressing on past the point when it might have been better to give up until I find a solution. You see I put myself out to find a solution... for you... is my strength clear yet?

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 09:40
:bluelight far too sensible for CUK General :bluelight

Can we get back to silly answers please?

It's time Gentle was banned.

Gentile
4th July 2012, 09:40
:nopics:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t435/Gentile_CUK/IShowzYou.jpg

Gentile
4th July 2012, 09:45
It's time Gentle was banned.

Who's this "Gentle" then, OG?

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 09:52
Who's this "Gentle" then, OG?

Stupid smart phone

Gentile
4th July 2012, 09:54
Stupid smart phone

Yeah, yeah. And to think you were slagging off Dodgy for a misplaced apostrophe the other day. At least 'his phone' got all the letters in the right order. ;)

oscarose
4th July 2012, 09:54
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t435/Gentile_CUK/IShowzYou.jpg

:yay:

doomage
4th July 2012, 10:55
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t435/Gentile_CUK/IShowzYou.jpg

That's funny. I would have said cats were my greatest weakness. Can't resist kicking 'em.


Also, smart arse comments. Find it hard to resist those.


And fried chicken.

alreadypacked
4th July 2012, 10:59
That's funny. I would have said cats were my greatest weakness. Can't resist kicking 'em.


Also, smart arse comments. Find it hard to resist those.


And fried chicken.

The list goes on :tumble:

doomage
4th July 2012, 11:07
The list goes on :tumble:

I take it your weakness is a fondness for cats? Or the inability to process puerile humour?

BlasterBates
4th July 2012, 11:07
Sliced Tee shots, but they wouldn't accept that one.

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 11:10
Leather clad rock chicks.

oscarose
4th July 2012, 11:12
Leather clad rock chicks.

Pictures please?

:emb

Gentile
4th July 2012, 11:18
I take it your weakness is a fondness for cats? Or the inability to process puerile humour?

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t435/Gentile_CUK/DontMessWithCatz.jpg

oscarose
4th July 2012, 11:22
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t435/Gentile_CUK/DontMessWithCatz.jpg

I think you've negged the wrong punter.

:o

doomage
4th July 2012, 11:29
I think you've negged the wrong punter.

:o

That's a weakness.



Actually I like cats.

doomage
4th July 2012, 11:31
Pictures please?

:emb

http://rlv.zcache.com/biker_or_rock_chick_cute_cartoon_sticker-p217494987938540517en7l1_210.jpg

oscarose
4th July 2012, 11:33
That's a weakness.



Actually I like cats.

:smokin

SimonMac
4th July 2012, 11:34
This is one of those questions that makes me wonder how stupid the interviewer really is. What the hell do they want me to say? How about something along the lines of; 'stripping off, jumping up and down on my desk and singing 'look at my willy' to the tune of Wagner's RIDE of the Valkyries.'

:spel

Gentile
4th July 2012, 11:37
I think you've negged the wrong punter.

:o

The Rep System does make me chuckle. I usually only ever +ve people, but on the two occasions I've negged it's proven quite a telling insight into who takes it all the most seriously. One charming FM wrote to me to say "I see the harshness of the board concerns you which is a shame as it is not a cuddly all friends board as you will soon come to see", and then went on a diatribe about how I could leave or "become a valued member" (in his value system, presumably). I think it had escaped his attention that I've been here for five years, which was two years longer than him! Another negged me for using a hyphen in "check-ins" (as in checking into source control) :D. Overall, though, the system basically works. And I wouldn't be too concerned about upsetting any "wrong punter", since these things have a way of balancing themselves out.

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 11:39
:spel
Inability to remember the precise names of 19th century German opera overtures and confusion as to whether the music starting an act as opposed to the whole opera can really be termed an 'overture'.

I know, it's a good reason to turn anyone down.

oscarose
4th July 2012, 11:41
become a valued member

How does one become valued?

:o

Gentile
4th July 2012, 11:47
Inability to remember the precise names of 19th century German opera overtures and confusion as to whether the music starting an act as opposed to the whole opera can really be termed an 'overture'.

I know, it's a good reason to turn anyone down.

When I had an interview for the army years back in the early '90s, an old crusty Colonel asked me what I knew about Baroque architecture. Seriously.

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 11:51
When I had an interview for the army years back in the early '90s, an old crusty Colonel asked me what I knew about Baroque architecture. Seriously.

Not much use for modern databases?

Gentile
4th July 2012, 11:56
That's a weakness.



Actually I like cats.

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t435/Gentile_CUK/CouldntEatWholeDoomage.jpg

Gentile
4th July 2012, 11:58
Not much use for modern databases?

No, that Baroque Technical Architect they used as a consultant led them up the garden path. :p :D

NotAllThere
4th July 2012, 12:22
---ahem---

If it ain't baroque, don't fix it.

:igmc:

MyUserName
4th July 2012, 13:19
I replied to that one that my previous team would describe me as being very fussy. The interviewer smiled and asked whether that was really a strength? I replied that it depended whether you were a member of my team who wanted to put an incorrectly researched code solution back into source control.

Mich the Tester
4th July 2012, 13:21
I have an attitude.
You have a problem.

Gentile
4th July 2012, 13:22
I replied to that one that my previous team would describe me as being very fussy. The interviewer smiled and asked whether that was really a strength? I replied that it depended whether you were a member of my team who wanted to put an incorrectly researched code solution back into source control.

I'm getting more behind using this question in interviews all the time.

sasguru
4th July 2012, 13:22
My biggest weakness - erm, probably my inability to be modest about my many talents.

oscarose
4th July 2012, 13:25
Women Cat Lovers May End Up Killing Themselves (http://www.siliconindia.com/news/life/Women-Cat-Lovers-May-End-Up-Killing-Themselves-nid-122018-cid-51.html?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=l8)

:tumble:

alreadypacked
4th July 2012, 13:53
I take it your weakness is a fondness for cats? Or the inability to process puerile humour?

<binoculars on>

No still can't see it

</binoculars on>

darrenb
4th July 2012, 13:53
Any interviewer who asks negative questions is a poor interviewer, because they are giving a bad first impression of the company.

A really good candidate will have options, and may decide to avoid the company altogether... leaving the company blessed with people who can talk until dusk about their weaknesses and so forth.

Durbs
4th July 2012, 14:45
Have been asked this a number of times, always seems to be by a young HR lackey who is sitting in on the interview. I normally cringe inside and give the generic; I [am a perfectionist]/[take my work home with me]/[am too nice] etc etc. One time I answered "I struggle getting out of bed in the mornings, am a nighttime person and am no good at early morning starts". The HR lass never missed a beat, just nodded seriously and noted it down.

I peaked a bit early there, normally wait at least a week into a contract before starting to roll in at 10.

doomage
4th July 2012, 14:51
<binoculars on>

No still can't see it

</binoculars on>

Fair enough. At least you tried.

Old Greg
4th July 2012, 15:01
Fair enough. At least you tried.

And she's kept her binoculars on just in case.

rhubarb
4th July 2012, 15:17
My greatest weakness has to be the fairer sex.
My life at present would fill up a week long special on Jeremy Kyle.

eek
4th July 2012, 15:18
My greatest weakness has to be the fairer sex.
My life at present would fill up a week long special on Jeremy Kyle.

Do tell. The combined effort of the rest of CUK would fill up at most 2 seconds of the researcher's time prior to him rejecting us.