Telegraph talks tulipe about Dutch elections

[Mich the Tester]

Dutch elections: fragile coalition expected - Telegraph

A fragile Dutch government coalition is the mostly likely outcome of elections in the Netherlands adding extra instability into the eurozone amid major gains for hard-line Euro-sceptics.

It looks to me like the Telegraph are just reporting what they wanted to happen, even though it's entirely the opposite to what actually happened.

Just to make it clear, whatever your position on Europe; the two biggest parties, the VVD (right of center liberal) and PvdA (moderate left) are essentially pro-Europe. Another party that won seats was D66 (centre liberal, VERY pro-EU). Only two parties are seen as Anti-EU. One is explicitly anti-EU, the PVV of Geert Wilders; they lost 10 seats. The other is the Socialist SP, who have gained none over last time, although they have not been explicit in their opposition to the EU; they're just sort of ambivalent about it. The other smaller parties have not expressed being pro- or anti-EU. What's actually become clear is that the EU just isn't as much of an issue for voters as the meejah make it out to be.

So what we have is gains for the pro-EU parties (again, like it or not, that's how it is), and big losses for the only party that is explicitly anti-EU.

Whichever way you look at this, the Telegraph is giving you complete and utter bulltulipe about what's happening on this side of the North Sea, as usual. It's one thing to put their own twist on the story, but this story is simply a lie concocted by a journo who's just pushing his own agenda (or that of his boss).

Just to let you know like, because I know the Telegraph's a popular paper, and it's a big source of information (or misinformation) about the world beyond Dover.

[DodgyAgent]

Dutch elections: fragile coalition expected - Telegraph



It looks to me like the Telegraph are just reporting what they wanted to happen, even though it's entirely the opposite to what actually happened.

Just to make it clear, whatever your position on Europe; the two biggest parties, the VVD (right of center liberal) and PvdA (moderate left) are essentially pro-Europe. Another party that won seats was D66 (centre liberal, VERY pro-EU). Only two parties are seen as Anti-EU. One is explicitly anti-EU, the PVV of Geert Wilders; they lost 10 seats. The other is the Socialist SP, who have gained none over last time, although they have not been explicit in their opposition to the EU; they're just sort of ambivalent about it. The other smaller parties have not expressed being pro- or anti-EU. What's actually become clear is that the EU just isn't as much of an issue for voters as the meejah make it out to be.

So what we have is gains for the pro-EU parties (again, like it or not, that's how it is), and big losses for the only party that is explicitly anti-EU.

Whichever way you look at this, the Telegraph is giving you complete and utter bulltulipe about what's happening on this side of the North Sea, as usual. It's one thing to put their own twist on the story, but this story is simply a lie concocted by a journo who's just pushing his own agenda (or that of his boss).

Just to let you know like, because I know the Telegraph's a popular paper, and it's a big source of information (or misinformation) about the world beyond Dover.

I take it you are pretty keen for the Guardian to offer you an extension on your contract

[Mich the Tester]

I take it you are pretty keen for the Guardian to offer you an extension on your contract

Nope, just informing you that the telegraph are talking tulipe; I think the EU's strayed way too far from the common market idea that I think is right and has become a moloch that needs some cutting back; it's just that the Telegraph are talking tulipe on this one. Public opinion here is not as radical as they're suggesting.

[BlasterBates]

Some more spin from the Daily Telegraph

The euro’s demise may be the final chapter of the ERM debacle - Telegraph

Jeremy Warner says this:

Yesterday, the German Constitutional Court seemed to give a qualified thumbs up to Europe’s bail-out arrangements, so perhaps there is hope for the euro yet. However, any reading of the detail powerfully suggests otherwise. In fact, this is as close to a thumbs down as you can get without the German court immediately calling time on the whole endeavour.

What the constitutional court says is that if more money is needed parliament has to be consulted.

Since both major parties are fully behind the Euro, I fail to see how this is thumbs down that will cause the demise of the Euro. What Jeremy is implying is that the constitutional court has imposed some legal constraint that will force the end of the Euro. No...this isn't true, parliament will decide.

As the commentators on German TV said last night, if they did need more money they're hardly going to say no and plunge Germany into a deep recession are they.

In fact the Euro shot up yesterday,

[DodgyAgent]

Some more spin from the Daily Telegraph

The euro’s demise may be the final chapter of the ERM debacle - Telegraph

Jeremy Warner says this:



What the constitutional court says is that if more money is needed parliament has to be consulted.

Since both major parties are fully behind the Euro, I fail to see how this is thumbs down that will cause the demise of the Euro.

As the commentators on German TV said last night, if they did need more money they're hardly going to say no and plunge Germany into a deep recession are they.

In fact the Euro shot up yesterday,

I like Jeremy Warner so why is what he says spin?

[Mich the Tester]

What the constitutional court says is that if more money is needed parliament has to be consulted.

Indeed, no change as parliament would have to be consulted anyway. The constitutional court has simply reinforced the position of parliament as being the place where the decisions are made. I wish some people in the meejah would just accept that most people over here don't have a big problem with the EU, want to see the Euro problems sorted out, but don't really care how, and don't really care too much about the UK's position on the Euro or opt-outs on various EU laws. Frankly, the UK should pick and choose its EU decisions just like everyone else does.

[BlasterBates]

I like Jeremy Warner so why is what he says spin?

He says the supreme court has put some very important provisions in the small print, without actually saying what it is and implies this will be a big problem.

Well if it is why doesn't he say what it is.

I can tell you what it is because it was on the German news, the court said that parliament has to be consulted. Now the reason he didn't put that in his comment is because everyone would instantly know it's a non-issue, and then his comment would be somewhat boring.

[Mich the Tester]

He says the supreme court has put some very important provisions in the small print, without actually saying what it is and implies this will be a big problem.

Well if it is why doesn't he say what it is.

I can tell you what it is because it was on the German news, the court said that parliament has to be consulted. Now the reason he didn't put that in his comment is because everyone would instantly know it's a non-issue, and then his comment would be somewhat boring.

Well back in the 18th century it would be revolutionary thinking that could land you in prison;

BIG DECISIONS IN EUROPEAN COUNTRY MUST BE APPROVED BY REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE!

As it happens, a court stating that a national parliament decides on these things is really quite normal in the 21st century.

Not much to see here.

[speling bee]

I like Jeremy Warner so why is what he says spin?

+1.

I prefer Ambrose though.

[Mich the Tester]

+1.

I prefer Ambrose though.

Yep, great bowler. Courtney Walsh was just a little bit classier though imho.