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vetran
16th November 2012, 12:42
[Kurt] wanted an electric car, and always wanted to drive a Porsche. Killing two birds with one stone, he decided to combine these wishes and convert a 2002 Porsche 911 into an electric vehicle.

Porsche 911 made electric - Hack a Day (http://hackaday.com/2012/11/16/porsche-911-made-electric/)

Already [Kurt] has taken his new ride to 100 mph and done a little bit of range testing that told him he should expect around 40 miles per charge in his new ride.

LatteLiberal
16th November 2012, 12:49
[Kurt] wanted an electric car, and always wanted to drive a Porsche. Killing two birds with one stone, he decided to combine these wishes and convert a 2002 Porsche 911 into an electric vehicle.

Porsche 911 made electric - Hack a Day (http://hackaday.com/2012/11/16/porsche-911-made-electric/)

Already [Kurt] has taken his new ride to 100 mph and done a little bit of range testing that told him he should expect around 40 miles per charge in his new ride.

Most people don't understand that with electric cars you are just moving the pollution from cars to power-stations that provide the electricity for said car.

DimPrawn
16th November 2012, 13:49
Fail.

Porsche already do one.

Porsche 356 electric car - Toys - For Kids - Driver (http://shop1.porsche.com/uk/kids/toys/wap0402000b/)

darmstadt
16th November 2012, 14:05
Or this:

http://fiestatoystore.com/images/toys-toys-porsche-boxter-s-6v.jpg

d000hg
16th November 2012, 14:44
Most people don't understand that with electric cars you are just moving the pollution from cars to power-stations that provide the electricity for said car.Most people who make that point as an attack on electric cars don't realise it's not that simple. The pollution/Joule for a petrol automobile engine and a coal-burning power station will be different, plus you have to factor in efficiency on both sides... losses getting the energy into the battery, relative efficiency of a power station and an engine, etc.

I've not seen either side pushing figures on this... it would be more complex since it would depend on each country's powergrid (% coal, gas, nuclear, wind) but it should be fairly easy to do an approximation.

vetran
16th November 2012, 16:29
Most people don't understand that with electric cars you are just moving the pollution from millions of cars with mediocre emissions control that push out emissions concentrated at pedestrian level in Urban areas to power-stations which can have emissions closely controlled and may even have higher efficiency or be totally greenthat provide the electricity for said car.

And that this is an early stage both electric cars and the charging infrastructure are in their infancy.

:spel FTFY

d000hg
16th November 2012, 16:30
I think I already said that.

vetran
16th November 2012, 16:38
I think you already said that.But I love this FTFY - plus sometimes its helpful to repeat the users words back slowly with corrections it helps understanding if they have made a really stupid comment

FTFY:spel

d000hg
16th November 2012, 16:42
So have you got any ideas about the figures/calculations I suggest, to back up [y]our points? It seems to me likely that even a coal power station is less dirty per joule than a petrol engine due to effects of scale and distribution, but it's only a guess.

VectraMan
16th November 2012, 16:42
This bloke did it to an S2000:

Honda S2000 Electric Vehicle Conversion (http://s2kev.blogspot.co.uk/)

The biggest problem of course is the huge weight of all those batteries, which goes some way to defeating the object of the exercise.

(And as an aside, don't you just love websites that are layed out with a narrow strip of text down the middle of your widescreen monitor:mad).

vetran
16th November 2012, 17:23
well these seem to support us

Electric Car Pollution (http://www.evsroll.com/Electric_Car_Pollution.html)


Myths and Facts About Electric Cars: #evworld (http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=27394)

this is slightly more critical.

Are electric cars bad for the environment? | Leo Hickman | Environment | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/oct/05/electric-cars-emissions-bad-environment)


This was a quite good quote

@ikd: The absence of urban air emissions is certainly a strong argument in favour of electric cars. For human toxicity, our study partly addresses the difference between emissions to densely populated and less populated areas, though this could certainly be improved. However, we cannot think only of the toxicity on humans; we also address toxic impacts on aquatic life and ecosystems.

@Seb: This is one of our core finding: because the production of an electric car causes roughly twice the climate impact of producing a comparable conventional car, it must run on rather clean electricity to "make up" for the initial climate impact.
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@Guess11: Following industry standard, we based our assessment of the use-phase on the "New European Driving Cycle", which includes a typical share of stop-start.

As many readers point out, the electric car industry is young and will likely improve in the future. We studied the present generation of electric car, we refrained from making predictions.