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DodgyAgent
20th November 2012, 09:14
Whatever way you look at it, being both wealthy and socialist is fraught with danger. In my view the two entities are incompatible. With lefties constantly bleating about the poor (by virtue of their shamelessly useless public services that put them there) and berating the rich they paint themselves into a corner as soon as they themselves are seen to be profiting (MPs expenses are a prime example).
Here is another one guilty of hypocrisy, which is a shame because she is one of the few labour lot I like:

Labour MP Margaret Hodge challenged over family firm's tax - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9689134/Labour-MP-Margaret-Hodge-challenged-over-family-firms-tax.html)

RasputinDude
20th November 2012, 09:28
To be fair to her, she is a minority shareholder so she can hardly direct corporate policy, now can she?

I do get what you are saying, and the rank hypocrisy of the left wing in general does irk me somewhat. However, I think that this is a bit of cheap-shot.

Personally, I'd much rather see more space dedicated to the Guardian's Cayman Islands based ownership or the Bermuda based company that manage HMRC's properties.

Scoobos
20th November 2012, 09:38
tosh, by your remit the only way to help starving people is to starve yourself.

If the "lefties" didn't make any profit, they would have no ability to do anything; which I suspect is what you really want as a "righty".

All it takes is some real "chance of life" misfortune and your life could have been very different, would you still hold the same views if you were born elsewhere, or if you had a seriously disabled child who required the amount of financial support that's impossible for 1 family to pay for (cerebal palsy can cost hundreds of thousands of pounds over a lifetime to support).

There's a massive difference between Bono and the thousands of people working to set right some of the injustices of the world.

DodgyAgent
20th November 2012, 09:44
tosh, by your remit the only way to help starving people is to starve yourself.

If the "lefties" didn't make any profit, they would have no ability to do anything; which I suspect is what you really want as a "righty".

All it takes is some real "chance of life" misfortune and your life could have been very different, would you still hold the same views if you were born elsewhere, or if you had a seriously disabled child who required the amount of financial support that's impossible for 1 family to pay for (cerebal palsy can cost hundreds of thousands of pounds over a lifetime to support).

There's a massive difference between Bono and the thousands of people working to set right some of the injustices of the world.

Lefties do not create wealth, they merely manipulate other people to give up their wealth (by pinning their flags to the most vulnerable in society) and they then spend it on themselves.

vetran
20th November 2012, 09:48
well don't depend on Margaret Hodge's family firm to pay for the disabled child its busy coining it in based in a tax haven. The one who is likely to pay for it (and the MP's new flat screen telly) is Margaret Hodge's cleaner (that's if they are cleared to work in UK).

Possibly cheap but she could refuse the share holding, lobby the board for regularising its tax status etc there would be an opportunity every year at the AGM she has a large enough shareholding.

DodgyAgent
20th November 2012, 09:50
well don't depend on Margaret Hodge's family firm to pay for the disabled child its busy coining it in based in a tax haven. The one who is likely to pay for it (and the MP's new flat screen telly) is Margaret Hodge's cleaner (that's if they are cleared to work in UK).

Possibly cheap but she could refuse the share holding, lobby the board for regularising its tax status etc there would be an opportunity every year at the AGM she has a large enough shareholding.
she could voluntarily donate her shareholding to HMRC which is what she is effectively telling starbucks and co to do.

Scoobos
20th November 2012, 10:18
Lefties do not create wealth, they merely manipulate other people to give up their wealth (by pinning their flags to the most vulnerable in society) and they then spend it on themselves.

I'm probably categorised as a "lefty" to you and I don't do that.

DodgyAgent
20th November 2012, 10:23
I'm probably categorised as a "lefty" to you and I don't do that.

you are categorised as a "lovable but misguided lefty" by me :happy

d000hg
20th November 2012, 11:13
Lefties do not create wealth, they merely manipulate other people to give up their wealth (by pinning their flags to the most vulnerable in society) and they then spend it on themselves.It's good this thread isn't falling into crass generalisations.

snaw
20th November 2012, 14:04
Whatever way you look at it, being both wealthy and socialist is fraught with danger. In my view the two entities are incompatible. With lefties constantly bleating about the poor (by virtue of their shamelessly useless public services that put them there) and berating the rich they paint themselves into a corner as soon as they themselves are seen to be profiting (MPs expenses are a prime example).
Here is another one guilty of hypocrisy, which is a shame because she is one of the few labour lot I like:

Labour MP Margaret Hodge challenged over family firm's tax - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9689134/Labour-MP-Margaret-Hodge-challenged-over-family-firms-tax.html)

Some things never change, eh DA?