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ctdctd
20th November 2012, 20:12
Prompted by MtT (http://forums.contractoruk.com/general/84133-never-say-never.html#post1648736)

BrilloPad
20th November 2012, 20:15
I am a permie - but not poor.

ctdctd
20th November 2012, 20:17
I am a permie - but not poor.

Poor may not mean in financial terms. :tongue

adubya
20th November 2012, 20:18
permie but not proud.

suityou01
20th November 2012, 20:22
Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill contracting :happy

ctdctd
20th November 2012, 20:23
Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill contracting :happy

Just? :wink

suityou01
20th November 2012, 20:23
Just? :wink

Ho yes :D

MarillionFan
20th November 2012, 20:24
TYpe of permie is important. I may be perm, but I'm in charge and that's what's important.

ctdctd
20th November 2012, 20:27
TYpe of permie is important. I may be perm, but I'm in charge and that's what's important.

Only to you!

suityou01
20th November 2012, 20:27
only to you!

wctdctds :D

MarillionFan
20th November 2012, 20:28
Only to you!

Back in your box you IT Geek Loser.:spank:

ctdctd
20th November 2012, 20:30
Back in your box you IT Geek Loser.:spank:

Or you'll report me to HR? :tongue :moon:

darmstadt
20th November 2012, 20:58
Theoretically I would have thought that those of you who have a Ltd. are permies as you're an employee of a company...

d000hg
20th November 2012, 21:00
TYpe of permie is important. I may be perm, but I'm in charge and that's what's important.Because of your terribly fragile ego and desperate need to feel like you matter?

VectraMan
20th November 2012, 22:05
3 weeks of permidom left.

And I do have a Ltd.

doodab
20th November 2012, 22:19
Contractor. I had a permie job once, but I called my boss a **** and went contracting (that is actually true, although the two aren't directly linked they share a cause)

Robinho
20th November 2012, 22:30
I have only ever been permie for 10 months of my career. :smokin

SimonMac
20th November 2012, 22:31
Well seeing as the permies ****ed off leaving just two contractors working later tonight at ClientCo I am wonder who has the right idea!

suityou01
20th November 2012, 22:39
Well seeing as the permies ****ed off leaving just two contractors working later tonight at ClientCo I am wonder who has the right idea!

Standard

ctdctd
21st November 2012, 05:59
OK, so the results for day 1 of this very exciting poll are in...........
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4 permies
16 contractors
1 AndyW

Mods. please do the needful :smokin

MarillionFan
21st November 2012, 06:04
OK, so the results for day 1 of this very exciting poll are in...........
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Drum roll
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4 permies
16 contractors
1 AndyW

Mods. please do the needful :smokin


You do know that Admin is a permie don't you. :devil

MarillionFan
21st November 2012, 06:09
In addition

Alias (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/alias.html) - Who?
alreadypacked (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/alreadypacked.html) - Is normally benched
anonymouse (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/anonymouse.html) - Who?
bless 'em all (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/bless-em-all.html) - Is always benched
ctdctd (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/ctdctd.html) - Must be benched as he posts in the nght
d000hg (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/d000hg.html) - Is a closet homosexual who hangs around on benches looking for cock.
doodab (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/doodab.html) - Has spent more time on the bench than a homeless person
eek (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/eek.html) - Fawning lickspittle
hyperD (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/hyperd.html) - Sometimes is benched
Moscow Mule (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/moscow-mule.html) - Proper contractor
NickFitz (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/nickfitz.html) - ROFL - He makes Suity look successful
nomadd (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/nomadd.html) - Has been contracting longer than Moses, but Moses never got benched unlike Nomadds Mum.
NotAllThere (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/notallthere.html) - A mod who lies more than a cheap Swiss Watch
Robinho (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/robinho.html) - Contractor
SimonMac (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/simonmac.html) - I have bum fluff longer than that Movember tash
suityou01 (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/suityou01.html) - Confirms that he believes that he is the same as all the rest of you, which in turn proves my poin.


It's not looking very good is it.

ctdctd
21st November 2012, 06:23
In addition

Alias (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/alias.html) - Who?
alreadypacked (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/alreadypacked.html) - Is normally benched
anonymouse (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/anonymouse.html) - Who?
bless 'em all (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/bless-em-all.html) - Is always benched
ctdctd (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/ctdctd.html) - Must be benched as he posts in the nght
d000hg (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/d000hg.html) - Is a closet homosexual who hangs around on benches looking for cock.
doodab (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/doodab.html) - Has spent more time on the bench than a homeless person
eek (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/eek.html) - Fawning lickspittle
hyperD (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/hyperd.html) - Sometimes is benched
Moscow Mule (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/moscow-mule.html) - Proper contractor
NickFitz (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/nickfitz.html) - ROFL - He makes Suity look successful
nomadd (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/nomadd.html) - Has been contracting longer than Moses, but Moses never got benched unlike Nomadds Mum.
NotAllThere (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/notallthere.html) - A mod who lies more than a cheap Swiss Watch
Robinho (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/robinho.html) - Contractor
SimonMac (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/simonmac.html) - I have bum fluff longer than that Movember tash
suityou01 (http://forums.contractoruk.com/members/suityou01.html) - Confirms that he believes that he is the same as all the rest of you, which in turn proves my poin.


It's not looking very good is it.

Hm....... - Some good custom titles there :laugh

:bluelight Mind you, 16 attacks on proper CUK members = 16 life bans :bluelight

Not busy in permie land are you? Haven't you got an appraisal to report for or a nose to brown?:tongue

suityou01
21st November 2012, 06:44
Take it up with your line manager at your next performance review :D

MarillionFan
21st November 2012, 07:14
Take it up with your line manager at your next performance review :D

Only VPs above me sonny Jim.

ctdctd
21st November 2012, 07:16
Only VPs above me sonny Jim.

That could be, and probably is, very very very wrong. :laugh

Old Hack
21st November 2012, 07:47
Only VPLs above me sonny Jim.

FTFY :winker:

Honestly MF, if you're so high falutin, so farking succesful, why on gods earth do you spend most of your free time on here posting?

You're a dreamer, and actually not a very good one.

SimonMac
21st November 2012, 07:48
Only VPs above me sonny Jim.

Well according to MyCo's org chart there is just Canary M Burns above me

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110616214644/simpsons/pt/images/9/9b/314px-CanaryTree.png

Doesn't matter the title of the person above you, even a well placed premmie still has to report to someone, even if its just share holders, me and the other contractors are still ultimately the masters of our own destiny, we choose the contracts and the direction we travel. It may be on a smaller scale than your new company, but it's our choice to stay small

gingerjedi
21st November 2012, 08:08
I'm still a contractor but in relative poverty according to the CUK official measure, net worth <£1m and no Lambo.

Please help.

Old Hack
21st November 2012, 08:25
Well according to MyCo's org chart there is just Canary M Burns above me

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110616214644/simpsons/pt/images/9/9b/314px-CanaryTree.png

Doesn't matter the title of the person above you, even a well placed premmie still has to report to someone, even if its just share holders, me and the other contractors are still ultimately the masters of our own destiny, we choose the contracts and the direction we travel. It may be on a smaller scale than your new company, but it's our choice to stay small

WSMS

To be frank, he'll not get this. I chose contracting so I maintained the power to do what I want to do. Public sector contracts just changed, so I quit my contract, and start work for a non PS company in Dec; it's this flexibility that makes contracting that much better for me.

But havin said that, I am just a poor permie after all, only earning £5k a year, my wife, too, only earns £5k. Lucky for us though, we bought a company that now makes lots of profits we receive dividends on so we don't pay much tax at all, let alone NI.

I guess those high earners all paying 20-25% federal tax, and then state tax on top, well, them be lucky folk...

The Spartan
21st November 2012, 09:10
Only been contracting just over a year now but it beats the shit out of being a permie and to top it off I have more free time now than I ever did working as permie.

speling bee
21st November 2012, 09:33
I have only ever been permie for 10 months of my career. :smokin

Economist or strategic planner?

BrilloPad
21st November 2012, 09:36
I'm still a contractor but in relative poverty according to the CUK official measure, net worth <£1m and no Lambo.

Please help.

Try doing what the others do. Lie.

Mich the Tester
21st November 2012, 09:37
Try doing what the others do. Lie.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BrilloPad again.

Dallas
21st November 2012, 09:39
Contracting 6 years - total bench time 2 months.

Not sure is that good or does that make me a (knackered) mug?

BrilloPad
21st November 2012, 09:45
Contracting 6 years - total bench time 2 months.

Not sure is that good or does that make me a (knackered) mug?

If you gave up all those expensive sports events you could take some time off.

Spend the time knitting instead and you will save money on clothes too.

Or even better - marry on of those rich eye candy types you row with.

HTH

rootsnall
21st November 2012, 09:58
I'm a 'contractor' working in a permanent job because it suits. If it doesn't suit I'll quit, just like all the other contracts I've done. :smokin

Mich the Tester
21st November 2012, 10:03
I'm a 'contractor' working in a permanent job because it suits. If it doesn't suit I'll quit, just like all the other contracts I've done. :smokin

Yep, that's my attitude. If it goes well, I'll stay, if it doesn't then I have some very good contacts with whom I can go contracting again in a co-operative. The permie job is a contract, but with a different form of payment. Maybe now I can take all the permie nonsense with a pinch of salt and laugh it all off.

Dallas
21st November 2012, 10:04
If you gave up all those expensive sports events you could take some time off.

Spend the time knitting instead and you will save money on clothes too.

Or even better - marry on of those rich eye candy types you row with.

HTH

Yep thats all we are good for knitting and getting married .... but then I'd end up watching loose women and listening to LBC and get angry at the world - the ignorance of the banking bubble

:ohwell

Gonzo
21st November 2012, 10:14
:wave:

Permie, and not in the UK either. I'll start contracting again when either I have contacts and a decent reputation, or the contract market takes off again and those become less important.

Having said that, I despise my current permie environment so much I am not likely to walk out of it with a decent reputation. :mad:

It was the last day to sign up for the company's Christmas party today. They do put on a lavish bash but the last thing I want to do is spend my Friday night socialising with the ***** that I have to work with.

rootsnall
21st November 2012, 10:16
Yep, that's my attitude. If it goes well, I'll stay, if it doesn't then I have some very good contacts with whom I can go contracting again in a co-operative. The permie job is a contract, but with a different form of payment. Maybe now I can take all the permie nonsense with a pinch of salt and laugh it all off.

I'm lucky in that I'm working with a bunch of ex contractors and consultants all with a similar outlook to our permiedom. My only performance review was done by an ex contractor who knew the score. Otherwise no permie grief I can think of. I have so far managed to go with the flow rather than fight the system but it may only be a matter of time.

BrilloPad
21st November 2012, 10:41
Yep thats all we are good for knitting and getting married .... but then I'd end up watching loose women and listening to LBC and get angry at the world - the ignorance of the banking bubble

:ohwell

errrr - it was your suggestion to take up knitting. I think your current choice of fixing race belts and punctures for ironcretins is a good one.

Stay in cuk too long and you will start getting angry at the world.

VectraMan
21st November 2012, 10:44
I'm a 'contractor' working in a permanent job because it suits. If it doesn't suit I'll quit, just like all the other contracts I've done. :smokin

Which is what I've done. Although it took me nearly 18 months, in truth I always had one eye on the exit door and never saw this as "permanent".

There are a couple of problems: quitting involves doing something. Unlike in a contract where you have a set date you can leave/negogiate an extension, in permiedom you have to make a definite decision and act on it. Which sounds a bit stupid, but there were pleanty of times I was seriously considering walking, but it's hard to walk away from a steady income.

And secondly, there's the notice period. I was on 2 months notice, which makes lining up another permie job awkward at best, and lining up a contract impossible. Part of the reason I'm leaving now is that I feel I've saved enough of a buffer/war chest to deal with a period of bench time/unemployment, which of course is difficult to do when you're earning less as a permie. And I don't think I'm entitled to sponge off the state for 6 months after voluntarily leaving a job.

darmstadt
21st November 2012, 11:25
And secondly, there's the notice period. I was on 2 months notice, which makes lining up another permie job awkward at best, and lining up a contract impossible.

Thats one of the PITA things about being a permie in Germany, you can only put your notice in 6 weeks before the end of the quarter which makes it very difficult lining up a contract, resigning and then sorting out a new job or contract.

Gibbon
21st November 2012, 11:47
Which is what I've done. Although it took me nearly 18 months, in truth I always had one eye on the exit door and never saw this as "permanent".

There are a couple of problems: quitting involves doing something. Unlike in a contract where you have a set date you can leave/negogiate an extension, in permiedom you have to make a definite decision and act on it. Which sounds a bit stupid, but there were pleanty of times I was seriously considering walking, but it's hard to walk away from a steady income.

And secondly, there's the notice period. I was on 2 months notice, which makes lining up another permie job awkward at best, and lining up a contract impossible. Part of the reason I'm leaving now is that I feel I've saved enough of a buffer/war chest to deal with a period of bench time/unemployment, which of course is difficult to do when you're earning less as a permie. And I don't think I'm entitled to sponge off the state for 6 months after voluntarily leaving a job.


When I left the mob I had to give 18 months notice !

Notascooby
21st November 2012, 12:02
Saw a nice permie role just last week and thought hmmmm

Then I thought my plans for next year and the need for 35-40 days off and realised I'd be lucky to have 26 as a permie and thought fook that.

But never say never

MarillionFan
21st November 2012, 12:23
Well according to MyCo's org chart there is just Canary M Burns above me

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110616214644/simpsons/pt/images/9/9b/314px-CanaryTree.png

Doesn't matter the title of the person above you, even a well placed premmie still has to report to someone, even if its just share holders, me and the other contractors are still ultimately the masters of our own destiny, we choose the
contracts and the direction we travel. It may be on a smaller scale than your new company, but it's our choice to stay small

Just because you go perm doesn't mean you're not in control of your destiny. In fact I would argue that taking a perm role from a contract is exactly being in control of your destiny as I have cemented continuity in my present gig and been rewarded to do so. It's better than being benched IMHO and I can quit & take a contract anytime I want. I see slipping into perm part of the whole journey.

MyUserName
21st November 2012, 12:32
Been a contractor for a mere 15 months - currently on my second extension of my second contract.

Have managed to pay off thousands of pounds worth of credit card bills, redo the living room, buy new toys for my hobbies (almost two grand in living history kit) and generally worry about money a lot less. Also feel a lot more focussed and happy at work which makes me happier at home.

The Spartan
21st November 2012, 13:29
Me too, I'm much happier being a contractor and it shows. I have also been having work done to my property and as a permie it would have taken years or I would have had to take out a very large loan, balls to that.

ctdctd
22nd November 2012, 06:35
OK, so the results for day 2 of this alternative to IACGMOOH are in...........
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Crickets and other bugs a buzzing
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7 permies
34 contractors
1 AndyW

So 17% permies, 3% mods, estimated 70% sockies, leaves me, gingerjedi, NickFitz, and Suityou01 (:eyes) as real contractors :tongue

mudskipper
22nd November 2012, 06:39
OK, so the results for day 2 of this alternative to IACGMOOH are in...........
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Crickets and other bugs a buzzing
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7 permies
35 contractors
1 AndyW

So 17% permies, 3% mods, estimated 70% sockies, leaves me, gingerjedi, NickFitz, and Suityou01 (:eyes) as real contractors :tongue

ftfy

eek
22nd November 2012, 06:50
OK, so the results for day 2 of this alternative to IACGMOOH are in...........
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Crickets and other bugs a buzzing
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7 permies
34 contractors
1 AndyW

So 17% permies, 3% mods, estimated 70% sockies, leaves me, gingerjedi, NickFitz, and Suityou01 (:eyes) as real contractors :tongue

:cough: as I'm not a sockie and I can go off people you know.

ctdctd
22nd November 2012, 06:53
:cough: as I'm not a sockie and I can go off people you know.

I have only estimated the sockie number - it is just possible it could be 65% and not 70%.

Real, non sockie contractors, please post your CV and two references here so the panel can make a decision. :freaky:

eek
22nd November 2012, 07:24
I have only estimated the sockie number - it is just possible it could be 65% and not 70%.

Real, non sockie contractors, please post your CV and two references here so the panel can make a decision. :freaky:

Mr G Gopher
Mr E Duck

Is that ok for you?

Old Hack
22nd November 2012, 08:01
Thats one of the PITA things about being a permie in Germany, you can only put your notice in 6 weeks before the end of the quarter which makes it very difficult lining up a contract, resigning and then sorting out a new job or contract.

When I decided to go contracting, I gave notice at my job, and they reminded me it was a three month notice. I spent the first month doing sweet FA, and did my best to piss everyone off, refused to attend an exit interview so they gardened me for the final 2 months, full pay, which allowed me to look at the market, tool up on software ready for it, and find a juicy contract. That was a different lifetime ago, and I haven't been benched once since.

I was offered a permie role the other day for £75k + bens and couldnt take it, just couldn't face the loss of earnings, and the thought of going permie again, makes me shudder; I don't think I could do it.

The one thing I have learned about contracting is not to panic as something will always come along. It also makes you more confident as you get so used to selling yourself every 12-18 months; you lose that in permiedom and get slack.

Alias
22nd November 2012, 08:49
references are for permies

HTH