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WageSlave1
20th June 2005, 09:17
Japan beat Japan (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4109398.stm)

Puts their Euro 2004 victory into perspective. I still reckon that was a fluke >:

sasguru
20th June 2005, 09:59
... than a triumph of organisation and planning for a team that was greater than the sum of its parts. Of course it won't be repeated.
Our overpaid star-studded players could learn a lesson or two from Greece's approach, though.

planetit
20th June 2005, 10:03
Greece's approach
The use of performance enhancing drugs (allegedly)

sasguru
20th June 2005, 10:08
planet,

I don't think a drug yet exists that allows you to become a better footballer or score goals. It was obvious watching Greece that they were well drilled and tactically disciplined. They reminded me of the German teams of old - perhaps we should hire a German coach and not a Swedish one?

planetit
20th June 2005, 10:16
So why do they perform drugs tests on footballers?

sasguru
20th June 2005, 10:18
you can use drugs to enhance stamina on the pitch. And the use of drugs may allow you to win a game or two, especially if it goes to extra time. But I don't think it's going to allow you to win tournaments.

WageSlave1
20th June 2005, 10:57
reminded me of the German teams of old

I think that’s a little harsh on the Germans. Sure, they had strong organisation and discipline, but they also had talented individuals. The likes of Effenberg, Moller, Litbarski and Hassler (to name but a few) all possessed good technique and flair. Admittedly, recent German teams have been truly shocking, but historically they have been extremely strong.
Greece, on the other hand, have shown that Euro 2004 was a fluke. Prior to the competition they had never won a game in the finals, and subsequently they have struggled in their WC qualifying group and lost to Japan. In a way, their success is similar to Germany at the 2002 WC. Germany were dreadful, yet managed to claw their way to the final.

sasguru
20th June 2005, 11:06
WS

I agree that Greece won't win anything again. I disagree that they fluked a win in Euro, though. Remember they beat Portugal twice, disposed of France etc. I watched every game and I think they deserved every win they got - you coudn't say there was any game where they were outclassed.

WageSlave1
20th June 2005, 11:13
you coudn't say there was any game where they were outclassed

Russia? :D

sasguru
20th June 2005, 11:20
I had forgotten that one. Yes they did struggle a bit there. In any case I made £100 betting that Greece would get to the quarters (based on their qualifying record). Wish I'd gone all the way :D

May put a little one on England reaching the final. Remember Sven has a negotiated a month's break - I think that will make all the difference.