The Pope and Dawkins: two sides of the same coin.

[Gibbon]

Reading the times today:

Dawkins says morality has nothing to do with religion.

The Pope says it's not a sin to not believe in God as long as you follow your conscience.

I'll probably be ok which ever then

[SimonMac]

Reading the times today:

Dawkins says morality has nothing to do with religion.

The Pope says it's not a sin to not believe in God as long as you follow your conscience.

I'll probably be ok which ever then

See my sig

[vetran]

The Pope says it's not a sin to not believe in God as long as you follow your conscience.

wow first condoms now non believing downrated as sins. The catholic church is slowly starting to come into the real world?

lets hope they start leaving little boys alone.

[d000hg]

Dawkins says morality has nothing to do with religion.

If you're an atheist who believes in morality, you have little option to believe otherwise.

The Pope says it's not a sin to not believe in God as long as you follow your conscience.

I don't recall anyone saying it was a sin not to believe in God. It's all the other sins you have to worry about!

[Troll]

I don't recall anyone saying it was a sin not to believe in God.

So what is heresy?

[vetran]

I don't recall anyone saying it was a sin not to believe in God. It's all the other sins you have to worry about!

Strange 6 out of the 10 13 commandments state he exists and requires you to obey and worship him first.

admittedly the Catholics roll the first 3 into one but that makes it the first 4 out of 10.

Ten Commandments - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm pretty sure all Catholics believe the commandments are central to their belief.

[Gibbon]

I don't recall anyone saying it was a sin not to believe in God. It's all the other sins you have to worry about!

Thomas Aikenhead was indicted in December 1696. The indictment read:

That ... the prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra's fables, in profane allusion to Esop's Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ.[3]

[d000hg]

Strange 6 out of the 10 13 commandments state he exists and requires you to obey and worship him first..

You can believe in God and break the commandments. Talking about "believing in" God is rather airy-fairy, as the saying goes even the Devil believes in God

[d000hg]

So what is heresy?

Thomas Aikenhead was indicted in December 1696. The indictment read:

That ... the prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra's fables, in profane allusion to Esop's Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ.[3]

And? That doesn't say that not believing in Christ/God is a sin, that's about public declaration of your unbelief.

It may well be that strictly speaking unbelief is itself a sin, even if you keep it to yourself, but this example seem like the difference between thinking black people are inferior in your head, and running down the street shouting about it - both are unwise but only one is illegal!

[OwlHoot]

Thomas Aikenhead was indicted in December 1696. The indictment read:

That ... the prisoner had repeatedly maintained, in conversation, that theology was a rhapsody of ill-invented nonsense, patched up partly of the moral doctrines of philosophers, and partly of poetical fictions and extravagant chimeras: That he ridiculed the holy scriptures, calling the Old Testament Ezra's fables, in profane allusion to Esop's Fables; That he railed on Christ, saying, he had learned magick in Egypt, which enabled him to perform those pranks which were called miracles: That he called the New Testament the history of the imposter Christ; That he said Moses was the better artist and the better politician; and he preferred Muhammad to Christ: That the Holy Scriptures were stuffed with such madness, nonsense, and contradictions, that he admired the stupidity of the world in being so long deluded by them: That he rejected the mystery of the Trinity as unworthy of refutation; and scoffed at the incarnation of Christ.[3]

and what became of him? If he'd said that at the time in France or Spain, or most countries, they'd have lit a bonfire under him