Hypothetically speaking...
Somebody I know does some work online on a fairly casual basis - they essentially "vet" online reviews according to various guidelines. The online system tracks the time they spend doing this and they are paid by the hour at a set rate. There is no employer/employee relationship, but there is a question over whether or not this constitutes self-employment or is simply casual earnings (I certainly don't see it as a "business" or "trade" - its simply a way of earning a bit of extra money on the side).
The numbers we are talking about here are small - less than £2k a year, normally closer to £1k. This person is otherwise unemployed so the income is well within their personal allowance. The person has been doing this for about three years and the income has never been declared as they did not already fill out a self-assessment.
This year, the person is required to fill out a self-assessment for other reasons and are wondering if this income should now be declared, on the basis that as they are filling out a self-assessment anyway, it would be an inaccurate return to omit it. My feeling is that they should just enter it into the box for "casual earnings" and be done with it.
The main concerns are:
* If HMRC were to disagree that these are "casual earnings" but that the person should have declared themselves as self-employed, they may question why they did not notify them (and why the person has not been submitting a SA before now).
* Likewise, if this was self-employment, I understand that the person should have been playing class 2 NI contributions. The amount is well within the limits for a small-earnings exemption but does that still apply if you haven't registered and applied for a SEE certificate?
* Would any penalties apply to the above?
Given the amounts involved and the fact that no income tax would have ever been due, is there really anything to worry about?
You could say: just omit it entirely. It hasn't been declared before so why declare it now. I would argue that it hasn't been declared up until now as there was no need to, but now that they are submitting a SA, they should to keep everything correct in order.
Thoughts?
Somebody I know does some work online on a fairly casual basis - they essentially "vet" online reviews according to various guidelines. The online system tracks the time they spend doing this and they are paid by the hour at a set rate. There is no employer/employee relationship, but there is a question over whether or not this constitutes self-employment or is simply casual earnings (I certainly don't see it as a "business" or "trade" - its simply a way of earning a bit of extra money on the side).
The numbers we are talking about here are small - less than £2k a year, normally closer to £1k. This person is otherwise unemployed so the income is well within their personal allowance. The person has been doing this for about three years and the income has never been declared as they did not already fill out a self-assessment.
This year, the person is required to fill out a self-assessment for other reasons and are wondering if this income should now be declared, on the basis that as they are filling out a self-assessment anyway, it would be an inaccurate return to omit it. My feeling is that they should just enter it into the box for "casual earnings" and be done with it.
The main concerns are:
* If HMRC were to disagree that these are "casual earnings" but that the person should have declared themselves as self-employed, they may question why they did not notify them (and why the person has not been submitting a SA before now).
* Likewise, if this was self-employment, I understand that the person should have been playing class 2 NI contributions. The amount is well within the limits for a small-earnings exemption but does that still apply if you haven't registered and applied for a SEE certificate?
* Would any penalties apply to the above?
Given the amounts involved and the fact that no income tax would have ever been due, is there really anything to worry about?
You could say: just omit it entirely. It hasn't been declared before so why declare it now. I would argue that it hasn't been declared up until now as there was no need to, but now that they are submitting a SA, they should to keep everything correct in order.
Thoughts?
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