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    HMT Review for public sector client?

    Hi all,

    (this is a long one, please bear with me!) I just wanted to get some other thoughts on this.... I was contacted recently for a contract for a public sector client (via an agency), who sent out the job spec and another lovely file about "IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HMT REVIEW OF TAX ARRANGEMENTS OF PUBLIC SECTOR APPOINTEES"

    This lists, among other things, that "All new contracts and any contract renewals (of more than 6 months or £220 per day) will include new contractual clauses that give the Authority the contractual right to seek assurance that the Off Payroll Worker (“worker”) is meeting their income tax and national insurance obligations. Failure to provide sufficient assurance will mean the Authority terminates the contract" - so one (or more) of the following needs to be completed:

    Route 1: Carry out the Business Entity Test -
    The Business Entity Test is a series of questions that have been designed by HMRC. A score is associated with each answer to each question. The total score of the business entity test indicates the company’s risk of being investigated under IR35; high, medium or low. If you score medium or high risk you shall have to proceed to Route 2.

    Route 2: Carry out an Independent Contract Review
    If you score medium or high risk according to the business entity test but feel you are outside the scope of IR35, then you can provide assurance by conducting a contract review with HMRC or an independent IR35 specialist advisor (this must not be your own accountant). The contract review will determine whether your contract is in scope of IR35. If your contract is deemed to be out of scope, as long as you can provide evidential documentation of this then no further action is required as long as the terms of the contract remain the same for the duration of the contract. We can support your contract review process by providing you with a Confirmation of Working Arrangements form.

    If the contract review deems the contract to be in scope, you will need to proceed to Route 3.

    Route 3: Carry out a Deemed Payment to HMRC
    If your contract is within the scope of IR35, you can provide evidence that you are operating the IR35 legislation on payments received from the Authority. This can be evidenced by providing a deemed calculation, which requires you to consider all the income for the year from your particular contract that is within IR35, then make a deemed payment to HMRC for employer NICs and pay employees NICs, and PAYE on the remainder of the income.

    If you choose this option as a method of assurance to the Authority you will need sign a document with your intention to make a deemed payment, and you will need to prove by no later than 19 May annually that you have made the deemed payment to HMRC for the relevant tax year with a cover letter from HMRC. If this is provided, you can continue to engage with the Authority but will need to go through one of the assurance processes the following year.

    Failure to provide assurances will result in termination of the contract

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    Maybe its just me, and maybe I'm just being a bit touchy, but is how I set up my company and deal with HMRC in regards to mine and my company's taxes a matter between me, my accountant and the HMRC? Please tell me if I'm way off base here!

    #2
    I just say "No Thanks".
    "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
    - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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      #3
      Hi,

      I have had the very same letter.
      I totally agree and don't think you're being touchy at all. The problem is that if we don't comply we are likely to have our contracts terminated so the decision is yours to make.

      I used QDOS to review my contract and working practices via their "Public Sector Pack", I then sent in the certificate they they sent back which luckily stated that I am outside IR35 (in their professional opinion of course).
      After 3 weeks I am yet to hear anything back, but this is a government client so I won't be holding my breath.

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        #4
        Originally posted by girlfriday View Post
        Hi all,

        (this is a long one, please bear with me!) I just wanted to get some other thoughts on this.... I was contacted recently for a contract for a public sector client (via an agency), who sent out the job spec and another lovely file about "IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE HMT REVIEW OF TAX ARRANGEMENTS OF PUBLIC SECTOR APPOINTEES"

        This lists, among other things, that "All new contracts and any contract renewals (of more than 6 months or £220 per day) will include new contractual clauses that give the Authority the contractual right to seek assurance that the Off Payroll Worker (“worker”) is meeting their income tax and national insurance obligations. Failure to provide sufficient assurance will mean the Authority terminates the contract" - so one (or more) of the following needs to be completed:

        Route 1: Carry out the Business Entity Test -
        The Business Entity Test is a series of questions that have been designed by HMRC. A score is associated with each answer to each question. The total score of the business entity test indicates the company’s risk of being investigated under IR35; high, medium or low. If you score medium or high risk you shall have to proceed to Route 2.

        Route 2: Carry out an Independent Contract Review
        If you score medium or high risk according to the business entity test but feel you are outside the scope of IR35, then you can provide assurance by conducting a contract review with HMRC or an independent IR35 specialist advisor (this must not be your own accountant). The contract review will determine whether your contract is in scope of IR35. If your contract is deemed to be out of scope, as long as you can provide evidential documentation of this then no further action is required as long as the terms of the contract remain the same for the duration of the contract. We can support your contract review process by providing you with a Confirmation of Working Arrangements form.

        If the contract review deems the contract to be in scope, you will need to proceed to Route 3.

        Route 3: Carry out a Deemed Payment to HMRC
        If your contract is within the scope of IR35, you can provide evidence that you are operating the IR35 legislation on payments received from the Authority. This can be evidenced by providing a deemed calculation, which requires you to consider all the income for the year from your particular contract that is within IR35, then make a deemed payment to HMRC for employer NICs and pay employees NICs, and PAYE on the remainder of the income.

        If you choose this option as a method of assurance to the Authority you will need sign a document with your intention to make a deemed payment, and you will need to prove by no later than 19 May annually that you have made the deemed payment to HMRC for the relevant tax year with a cover letter from HMRC. If this is provided, you can continue to engage with the Authority but will need to go through one of the assurance processes the following year.

        Failure to provide assurances will result in termination of the contract

        -----
        Maybe its just me, and maybe I'm just being a bit touchy, but is how I set up my company and deal with HMRC in regards to mine and my company's taxes a matter between me, my accountant and the HMRC? Please tell me if I'm way off base here!
        You are right, however because of the hoo-haa about off payroll workers in the public sector last year, new rules for PS contracts came in last August. The client can put what they like in the contract, it's up to you whether you sign it or not.

        There is a long thread about it here: http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...ntracting.html

        PCG background and advice here:

        https://www.pcg.org.uk/public-sector...-public-sector

        The summary is, get an IR35 contract review done via one of the accountancy/tax advice companies and submit that as your evidence. Most departments seem to be accepting these without too much argument because they don't want the aggravation of having to deal with it. They just want a nice easy tick box process.
        "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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          #5
          Originally posted by gbonner View Post
          Hi,

          I have had the very same letter.
          I totally agree and don't think you're being touchy at all. The problem is that if we don't comply we are likely to have our contracts terminated so the decision is yours to make.

          I used QDOS to review my contract and working practices via their "Public Sector Pack", I then sent in the certificate they they sent back which luckily stated that I am outside IR35 (in their professional opinion of course).
          After 3 weeks I am yet to hear anything back, but this is a government client so I won't be holding my breath.
          Get hold of the PCG now. They have already run workshops on this for contractors in the Home Office, the Cabinet Office and the Ministry of Justice, and have come to sensible conclusions with all three. They will be happy to talk to you, even if you aren't a member (yet... ).

          Contact via the website or email [email protected] A summary of their position can be seen here
          Blog? What blog...?

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            #6
            The default approach would be to jump straight to Route 2 regardless of the client's requirements and if the review deems the gig to be within IR35 then you have the choice to either walk away or start paying yourself a full salary (that is, stop taking divi's).

            In my case, I think I would walk away.

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              #7
              The other point is that the vast majority of PS contracts are let via the same agency, Capita, using the same contract. That contract has been reviewed multiple times by multiple sources and come out as outside IR35 every time as far as I am aware.

              So far it's shaping up to be a bit of a storm in a teacup I think. The only net effect seems to be to create a new business stream for the various contactor tax and accountancy specialists.
              "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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                #8
                thanks everyone for your quick responses! So glad I'm not just being touchy.... I fully intend to walk away from this one....

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DaveB View Post
                  The other point is that the vast majority of PS contracts are let via the same agency, Capita, using the same contract. That contract has been reviewed multiple times by multiple sources and come out as outside IR35 every time as far as I am aware.

                  So far it's shaping up to be a bit of a storm in a teacup I think. The only net effect seems to be to create a new business stream for the various contactor tax and accountancy specialists.
                  PCG doesn't charge for legal advice and support to its members...

                  This is the Alexander Review's fault; the rules haven't changed in the slightest, but the Departments have to demonstrate compliance with the Review. Needless to say, nobody's defined how to do that , so they are all making up their own version. PCG's aim is to get a single view of the truth and stop this nonsense in its tracks.
                  Blog? What blog...?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by cojak View Post
                    I just say "No Thanks".
                    Precisely!

                    If we all did that they'd be right in the tulip!
                    Blood in your poo

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