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    Bring back John Major

    Britain will pay 'severe price' if it quits EU, warns Sir John Major - Telegraph
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

    #2
    Although I also read he's dead against a federal sterling currency union were Scotland to become independent despite being England's 2nd biggest trading partner. Yet EU sceptics are championing for a EU federal state for the euro.

    They've got their knickers in the proper twist this time.

    Europe should become euro wide including the UK, and forget this business of a trade agreement with the US.
    "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark Twain

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      #3
      Originally posted by scooterscot View Post
      Although I also read he's dead against a federal sterling currency union were Scotland to become independent despite being England's 2nd biggest trading partner. Yet EU sceptics are championing for a EU federal state for the euro.

      They've got their knickers in the proper twist this time.

      Europe should become euro wide including the UK, and forget this business of a trade agreement with the US.
      I don't think the federal Europe idea has much following in Euroland any more. And while I don't think Britain should leave the EU I also don't think it should join the Euro.
      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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        #4
        So you both want a continuation of the loss of £50 million/day directly to the EU, huge waves of poor immigrants into the country choking all our public services, and the strangling of more and more economic, social, and cultural activities by the EU? No thanks.

        And by the way Major is wrong - look at Switzerland. Not part of the EU and as rich as everyone else!

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          #5
          Originally posted by KentPhilip View Post
          So you both want a continuation of the loss of £50 million/day directly to the EU, huge waves of poor immigrants into the country choking all our public services, and the strangling of more and more economic, social, and cultural activities by the EU? No thanks.

          And by the way Major is wrong - look at Switzerland. Not part of the EU and as rich as everyone else!
          And it´s had to adapt all its business laws, employment laws and banking laws to EU standards without having any say in how those rules look.
          And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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            #6
            Originally posted by KentPhilip View Post
            So you both want a continuation of the loss of £50 million/day directly to the EU, huge waves of poor immigrants into the country choking all our public services, and the strangling of more and more economic, social, and cultural activities by the EU? No thanks.
            As he points out, Norway still pays 80% of what we do into the EU, still has to follow all the rules and regulations of the EU, but without having any kind of say. How stupid do you have to be to consider that an improvement?

            He's a much better ex-PM than he was PM, it has to be said. It makes you wonder if today's politicians might turn out to be quite intelligent once freed from having to be politicians.
            Will work inside IR35. Or for food.

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              #7
              Originally posted by VectraMan View Post
              As he points out, Norway still pays 80% of what we do into the EU, still has to follow all the rules and regulations of the EU, but without having any kind of say.
              This.
              And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                #8
                Originally posted by VectraMan View Post
                As he points out, Norway still pays 80% of what we do into the EU, still has to follow all the rules and regulations of the EU, but without having any kind of say. How stupid do you have to be to consider that an improvement?
                How stupid do you have to be to realise that Britain's "biggest trader partner" (the EU) is a shrinking market in economic distress whereas the rest of the world (China, India, LA) is a growing market with whom we cannot trade freely as we are bound by the EU's trading laws.

                Britain would be better off out, although there would be a dip of 3-4 years while our economy adjusts.

                After that we'd be trading with larger markets on better terms.

                Plus of course, if we did leave, the EU wouldn't put up punitive trade barriers with the UK, since the Germans still want us to buy their cars, the French their cheese and wine, and so on.

                The "worse off" argument is scaremongering.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
                  And it´s had to adapt all its business laws, employment laws and banking laws to EU standards without having any say in how those rules look.
                  It chose to - it didn't have to.

                  If the UK leaves the EU, there is no reason to suppose that we cannot negotiate with the EU. The EU is free to adapt its rules based on circumstances outside itself as well as inside.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Platypus View Post
                    How stupid do you have to be to realise that Britain's "biggest trader partner" (the EU) is a shrinking market in economic distress whereas the rest of the world (China, India, LA) is a growing market with whom we cannot trade freely as we are bound by the EU's trading laws.

                    Britain would be better off out, although there would be a dip of 3-4 years while our economy adjusts.
                    OK, so this 'dip'. How deep would the 'dip' be and how much damage would it cause?
                    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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