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Andyw
11th August 2006, 07:12
For making sure everything that didnt work very well is completely fukked !

Disruptive flights, crap NHS, obsession with targets, red tape, close monitoring of UK citizens, high fuel and energy bills, obsessions with speeding motorists to raise revenue, high taxes, not allowed to do this not allowed to do that, health and safety nut cases, parking fines, criminals on the loose, poor imigration and border controls, corrupt MP's, MP's with high salaries and no job, squandering tax payers money ( and then asking for more ! ) CSA going after sitting targets, i.e. fathers already paying for their children, Social Services interferring in family lives just to reach government targets,

IT Engineers motto "if it works dont fix it"
Labours motto " if it works or doesnt work lets break it "

A big whole hearted thanks from all of us in the UK ! well done !

hyperD
11th August 2006, 07:15
Liebour: a real world experiment to show what goes wrong when you give too much taxpayers money to an administration full of small-minded, bitter, polytechnic idealists with no business acumen or common sense.

Dundeegeorge
11th August 2006, 07:17
Are you selling t-shirts with that logo?
You should.

wonderwaif
11th August 2006, 07:34
Totally agree.
Now where are the 'I remember the evil Tories' posts.

hyperD
11th August 2006, 08:23
I'll beat benn0 to it:

Thatcher: a real world solution to a real world experiment to show what goes wrong when you give too much taxpayers money to an administration full of small-minded, bitter, polytechnic idealists with no business acumen or common sense.

In actual fact:

All politicians: a real world experiment to show what goes wrong when you give too much taxpayers money to an administration full of small-minded, bitter, polytechnic idealists with no business acumen or common sense.

xoggoth
11th August 2006, 09:11
Two apt quotes seen on blogs recently.

"Politics is show business for the ugly"

"Politics is the business of getting power and privilege without possessing merit"—P J O'Rourke

Andyw
11th August 2006, 09:16
and boy are they fukkin' UGLY !!!

I mean, who the hell is shagg1n Margaret Beckett :eek: :eek:

AtW
11th August 2006, 09:16
You guys (and girls) don't know squat on what corruption can really be like. Ever been stopped by the police for passport checking whole purpose of which is to get a bribe out of you?

hyperD
11th August 2006, 09:17
You guys (and girls) don't know squat on what corruption can really be like. Ever been stopped by the police for passport checking whole purpose of which is to get a bribe out of you?
Yes, border police, Hungary. Twice.

Andyw
11th August 2006, 09:17
You guys (and girls) don't know squat on what corruption can really be like. Ever been stopped by the police for passport checking whole purpose of which is to get a bribe out of you?


Yeah well we ARE supposed to be a civilised western country so corruption is done quietly !! ! we're not in South Africa you know !! :rolleyes:

Andyw
11th August 2006, 09:18
Yes, border police, Hungary. Twice.


The border police were hungry ? :D

Andyw
11th August 2006, 13:05
:throw: :spank: :bluelight :bang: :tantrum:

benn0
12th August 2006, 17:58
I'll beat benn0 to it:

Thatcher: a real world solution to a real world experiment to show what goes wrong when you give too much taxpayers money to an administration full of small-minded, bitter, polytechnic idealists with no business acumen or common sense.

In actual fact:

All politicians: a real world experiment to show what goes wrong when you give too much taxpayers money to an administration full of small-minded, bitter, polytechnic idealists with no business acumen or common sense.

If you got your geeky head from up thatcher's arse for long enough you would probably realise I actually agree with the second statement, and have stated so in the past.

the evil cow just happened to be the worst of a bad bunch.

Fungus
12th August 2006, 18:45
If you got your geeky head from up thatcher's arse for long enough you would probably realise I actually agree with the second statement, and have stated so in the past.

the evil cow just happened to be the worst of a bad bunch.

Going by your previous comments there's quite a party going on up Mrs T's arse.

AtW
12th August 2006, 18:55
polytechnic idealists with no business acumen or common sense.

My 2nd business degree is from UK polytechnic...

Churchill
13th August 2006, 09:18
My 2nd business degree is from UK polytechnic...

That concludes the case for the prosecution, m'lud.

DimPrawn
13th August 2006, 10:11
Blimey, only my 6th degree is from a poly.

DimPrawn in Threaded mode

Churchill
13th August 2006, 10:24
Blimey, only my 6th degree is from a poly.

DimPrawn in Threaded mode

I used to fancy :hug: the lead singer from the 3 Degrees, does that count?

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 10:26
You see, this is why we need immigrants. They don't have degress from dodgy UK 'unipolys'.

They have proper degrees. Each and every one of 'em.

I hear that Romanian gypsies are particularly skilled in .Net and brain surgery.

threaded
13th August 2006, 10:32
Not a single one of my Degrees is from a poly thank you very much! :tantrum:

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 10:43
I don't even have one. Dropped out twice. I should be deported to make room for a Romanian gypsy.

I was socialising with a top manager from Motorola and he was bragging about having been to Harvard. I casually mentioned 'I spent 4 years in Oxford' (which is true), and his attitude changed. 'Good school' he said. I agreed.

He went on to ask for me personally whenever he needed IT advice. The only connection I had with Oxford University was chasing the female students, crashing a few parties, and working for the University Press. It was the perception that mattered.

AtW
13th August 2006, 10:49
It was the perception that mattered.

Sounds like you are a good NL Party material...

threaded
13th August 2006, 10:52
It was the perception that mattered.
That's why I charge so much. If I was to charge less I wouldn't be in so much demand. :D

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 10:59
Sounds like you are a good NL Party material...

Nope, but I made a good contractor :D (Temporarily having a rest as a permie).

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 10:59
That's why I charge so much. If I was to charge less I wouldn't be in so much demand. :D

'Reassuringly Expensive'. I like that. Must update my CV....

ASB
13th August 2006, 11:18
You guys (and girls) don't know squat on what corruption can really be like. Ever been stopped by the police for passport checking whole purpose of which is to get a bribe out of you?

Yep. 2 weeks ago leaving the metro in Moscow. Going rate seems to have gone up too he tried for 1,000 rub and got 200. Didn't usually use to go for foreigners but seem to all the time now. Hardly worth driving on a Friday now until the police have got their pocket money, just get stopped and "fined" every 3 blocks. Hardly suprising though in a city where a decent wage is 300 USD PM and rent on a 100sq m western apartment is 6-8,000.

Thankfully I don't go more than once a year, it's a right royal pain trying to get my employer to accept "bribe" on the description of expenditure on the expenses. :mad:

AtW
13th August 2006, 11:21
Wages in Moscow are much higher than 300 USD, they are just unofficial, no tax paid cash in envelope. Rents in Moscow certainly gone nuts - just like property prices, at least in this country they cant jack up rent because of market environment.

Its strange they went after you - they try to focus on non-whites (assuming you white here) as they are most likely not having all papers in order. But dont feel being discriminated against - in Russia its all fair: when I walk in Moscow I keep passport with me just in case they want to check documents, they actually look if you specifically REGISTERED in Moscow, an anti-constitutional measure that in Soviet time was designed to prevent people coming to Moscow, its still in place just under different name.

What are you doing there anyway?

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 11:26
But dont feel being discriminated against - in Russia its all fair

Nice to see the world still follows the British model of democracry...

:D

Churchill
13th August 2006, 11:33
Nice to see the world still follows the British model of democracry...

:D

I christened the team that work for me here as "Team Stella".

AtW
13th August 2006, 11:35
How is life in Tenerif?

ASB
13th August 2006, 11:40
Wages in Moscow are much higher than 300 USD, they are just unofficial, no tax paid cash in envelope. Rents in Moscow certainly gone nuts - just like property prices, at least in this country they cant jack up rent because of market environment.

We will just have to differ there. Clients western staff are well paid but local staff are paid what is described as the going rate.


Its strange they went after you - they try to focus on non-whites (assuming you white here)

They appeared to be specifically targetting westerners (I understand from my clients this is a recent phenomenon). Pretence was to ensure I was correctly registered (i.e. landing card has gone off to ministry from hotel and been stamped and returned. The alleged offence was that this was dated the day after my arrival (which because of the system is of course inevitible).


What are you doing there anyway?

Working, can't tell you more than that.

Churchill
13th August 2006, 11:41
How is life in Tenerif?

Pretty Good.

Unfortunately, I'm in sunny Cambridge. (well it was pissing down here this morning).

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 11:45
Cambridge is nice. I was there a couple of years ago and saw some white people.

Churchill
13th August 2006, 11:48
Cambridge is nice. I was there a couple of years ago and saw some white people.

Are you still pissed?

mcquiggd
13th August 2006, 11:49
Nope... I have that booked in for about 9pm this evening.

AtW
13th August 2006, 11:50
We will just have to differ there. Clients western staff are well paid but local staff are paid what is described as the going rate.

Locals earn much more than 300 USD in Moscow, its simply impossible to live on that money there, almost everyone gets grey salary in envelope, those who dont (in big govt entities) substitute their income with bribes and racket.

Interesting that police started targeting westerners - normally they prefer to stay away from such people because it could lead to international incident, ie like embassy involved yet, and the police in Moscow knows that they can do what they want so long as is it does not become public embarassment to the big guys.

I hope they pay you very very well because otherwise you'd have to be sado-mazo kind of person to live there volunteraly.


btw, you dont sound very happy Spod, whats up?

ASB
13th August 2006, 17:29
Interesting that police started targeting westerners.

But not tourists seemingly. A Turkish lady I was working with reckons it's the laptop that shows you up as a good mark. Regarding the rate the low level staff are paid a bit more than I suggested - I was converting to sterling not USD, but yes that do make it up in various ways.

AtW
13th August 2006, 17:42
Have you considered complaining to the embassy or telling the police that you are a foreigner from England (thats how UK is referred to normally in Russia), and you will request embassador and superiors of that police officer will have to contact Russian Foreign Ministry to investigate the incident. That should scare police scum away.

Oh one more hint - if they ask you to touch a big stone then under no circumstances do so...

Buffoon
13th August 2006, 17:45
Many years ago, an agent called me about setting up the stock exchange in Moscow. I asked someone I knew that had worked in Russia about it. He said, “They will love you! You will either come back dead or married.” I am not sure of the difference. He reckoned that as a single man with a good income there would be a fight between the Russian mafia and the local women as who would get me first.

I went to work for a dodgy European bank instead.

AtW
13th August 2006, 17:52
British passport there will certainly help get laid a lot with very pretty girls.

I bet ASB regrets being married http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif

AlfredJPruffock
13th August 2006, 18:55
Having visited Moscow a couple of times;the girls are stunning but sadly will think nothing of getting you hitched then ditched for your money; so act dumb take them for a ride then vanish into thin air.

Who says romance is not dead ....

Troll
13th August 2006, 19:31
Oh one more hint - if they ask you to touch a big stone then under no circumstances do so...

Is that the one where you have to kiss a kerbstone & while doing so someone delivers a kick to the head therebye removing all your teeth?

ASB
13th August 2006, 20:37
British passport there will certainly help get laid a lot with very pretty girls.

I bet ASB regrets being married http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif

When I stay the hotel at the bottom of the trade centre it is teeming with hookers. But at least they understand "no".

Last visit I was in the Radisson, not a hooker in sight. They do however have a Lambo in the foyer, it's a freebie for winning a million US in the casino. I failed. :mad:

AtW
13th August 2006, 20:59
There are many more very expensive cars in Moscow than in London, Lambo's should not be very popular though - they are too low to the ground and Russian roads are sh1te.

ASB
14th August 2006, 09:21
There are many more very expensive cars in Moscow than in London, Lambo's should not be very popular though - they are too low to the ground and Russian roads are sh1te.

Agreed, it wouldn't be entriely practical. Bentley seems to be particulary in vogue along with the new S Class at the moment. Also seem to be quite a few of that Audi Q7 thing about. I think a lot of it arrivers via Finlad rarther than any official channel though.

The roads are improving (but anything not new is still pretty sh1te). There is a lot of new building ex airport and the second ring (or is it the outer one?) seems to have been completely rebuilt. Kurdhovsky (sp) Prospekt etc seem to be extremely well maintained - but I guess they wouldn't like Mr P to have a bumpy ride.

It's just such an expensive place to go (most expensive city in the world now I beleive). A mediocre room was costing employer 235 gbp room only. Still the Metro is cheap - even allowing for the bribes, and so much easier than arguing with the taxi driver about the fare.

We do seem to have strayed from the original topic somewhat.

AtW
14th August 2006, 09:24
The roads that are well maintained are those that used by Gotv officials. A fair few (used to be many) expensive cars in Russia were order-to-steal with local police taking brides to register them with incorrect information to avoid them being tracked by Interpol.

I hear rents in Russia doubled this year - this kind of stuff is unsustainable, they are building yet another bubble and its going to blow big time.

ASB
14th August 2006, 09:39
taking brides

I though they normally headed in the western direction. Slave trading as well as corruption by the border officials. :)


I hear rents in Russia doubled this year - this kind of stuff is unsustainable, they are building yet another bubble and its going to blow big time.

It's not unknown at the moment for them to double in the middle of a tenancy etc. Here is a reasonable apartment (no idea if the area is any good but I think there are only bad areas and worse ones :( ) http://www.evans.ru/search/?id=23801

This is 72k USD per year. I believe this would cost in the region of 3-400k USD to buy. I don't understand why companies don't buy rather than rent - although I am sure there are reasons.

I did hear that some new build around the 150sq m mark was being touted at up to 1.5 mil USD.

AtW
14th August 2006, 09:49
Its a nice flat, but $6k per month is nuts - this is very typically Russian way of doing things: not knowing where to stop.

Churchill
14th August 2006, 09:50
Oh one more hint - if they ask you to touch a big stone then under no circumstances do so...

Why's that then?

AtW
14th August 2006, 09:52
Why's that then?

Have you not been following the news recently?

Churchill
14th August 2006, 09:55
Have you not been following the news recently?

Er, nope.

AtW
14th August 2006, 09:58
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4642842.stm

Churchill
14th August 2006, 10:04
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4642842.stm

Ah yes, now I remember.

Ooops, looks like the old dogs memory is failing...

AtW
14th August 2006, 10:05
Time to put you down?

Churchill
14th August 2006, 10:17
Time to put you down?

I've not started making a disgusting smell so I think there's life in the old dog yet!

lORD lUCAN
14th August 2006, 10:20
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4642842.stm

I love they way they still say "Great" Britain, when was the last time you looked out of your window and thought, hmm, yes, Britain is Great isn't :spank:

Churchill
14th August 2006, 10:22
I love they way they still say "Great" Britain, when was the last time you looked out of your window and thought, hmm, yes, Britain is Great isn't :spank:

It's a different kind of "Great". As in "Greater London".

Anyway, I thought you were buried under a motorway somewhere...

AtW
14th August 2006, 10:23
UK is generally referred to as England in normal conversations, but officials use Great Britain when they really need to say The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

AtW
14th August 2006, 10:36
Pardon, I meant this is how its referred to in Russia.

lORD lUCAN
14th August 2006, 10:37
It's a different kind of "Great". As in "Greater London".

Anyway, I thought you were buried under a motorway somewhere...

Nope, fortunately i was able to dig my way out and spend my time trawling dogging sites in and around "Greater" London :)

expat
14th August 2006, 11:12
You guys (and girls) don't know squat on what corruption can really be like. Ever been stopped by the police for passport checking whole purpose of which is to get a bribe out of you?Yes, in Africa (in my real expat days). You kind of kept in touch with how long it was since the government had last paid the police, because obviously cops have to eat too....