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wendigo100
11th August 2006, 10:18
That McClaren isn't so stupid after all.

shaunbhoy
14th August 2006, 12:02
That McClaren isn't so stupid after all.

Oh yes he is! You heard it here first. He has not even managed a game yet and already he is being led by the media. An "Oh Dear" in the making and no mistake.

:banana:

Diestl
14th August 2006, 12:23
Beckham offers the best dead-ball/cross field pass skill in world football, he set up and scored the goals in the world cup. Great decision you idiot.

sasguru
14th August 2006, 12:36
Although a good (not great) player once, Beckham is past his best. And he unbalances the team because his only skill is long ball passes. He can't tackle or dribble and has no pace anymore. As Mclaren rightly says he wants people who can go past players. We need to get back to the short passing game.
So an eminently sensible decision. I suspect Venables will be the real brain of the outfit anyway.

Fleetwood
14th August 2006, 12:51
McClaren hasn't got a bloody clue.
I'd go for this guy....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/bsp/hi/football/rules/talk_good/img/ron_manager298.jpg

AtW
14th August 2006, 12:55
Beckham offers the best dead-ball/cross field pass skill in world football

Maybe. But his haircut and abundance of jewelry as well as tatoos make him a person whose presense should be anywhere but on the football field.

snaw.

AtW
14th August 2006, 13:03
oh dear:

Becks in sub snub

DAVID BECKHAM faces starting the season as a Real Madrid sub.

Becks, 31, reeling at being dumped by England chief Steve McClaren, now has a club fight on his hands.

New Real boss Fabio Capello wants to use the lightning pace of Brazilian Cicinho on the right.

Cicinho, 26, who started ahead of Beckham in the final game of Real’s American tour in Salt Lake City on Saturday, said: “Beckham is an excellent player. We all know that.

“But I’ll play where the coach puts me. It’s all the same to me, as everyone knows we’re all after a win.”

The former Sao Paulo ace usually operates as a right-back. Yet he replaced Becks in midfield in a string of Real games last season.

And Capello gave him the nod on the wing again in a 2-0 win over Salt Lake, as Beckham watched the first half from the dug-out before playing the second.

Ruud van Nistelrooy scored for the first time since his £10.3million move from Manchester United, bagging a penalty just before the break. Robinho hit the second.

Beckham will arrive back in Madrid today for his first taste of life in the international wilderness, after being axed for England’s Old Trafford date with Greece.

Van Nistelrooy, snubbed for Holland’s friendly with the Republic of Ireland, said of his Real career so far: “I’m happy with my goal and trying to do what the boss asks of me.”

shaunbhoy
15th August 2006, 08:51
I am not the greatest Beckham fan in the world, but to effectively throw a player with his experience onto the international scrapheap at 31 when there is no obvious replacement is a poor decision, and one which says more about McLaren's shortcomings than Beckham's IMHO.

AtW
15th August 2006, 08:54
Beckham has got wrong attitude and attitude overrides talent - do you think I should expect everyone to like or respect me just because I am very smart? No - I have got a bit of an attitude that is just not for everyone, same with Beckham: his time is over, he'd better start thinking of new kind of ridiculous haircut to attract attention to himself in order to maximise marketing opportunities.

shaunbhoy
15th August 2006, 09:24
do you think I should expect everyone to like or respect me just because I am very smart?

In your shoes alexei, I would not pin your hopes too strongly on that contingency. :rolleyes:

Football eh? Another subject you know feck all about yet witter on about regardless! Beckham has been at the top of the game for years now and whilst his best years are clearly behind him at 31, he still has a lot to offer by way of options. Writing him off the way McLaren seems to have done is an act of folly and just shows that he is more interested in strengthening his own position by attempting to appear "radical" than in pragmatically considering what is best for the team.

Board Game Geek
15th August 2006, 09:29
Personally, I think McLaren has shown a strong hand that says "I'm not interested in the Cult of Beckham, I'm interested in good, capable players. You've had your 15 mins in the slimelight, now feck off"

Quite right too.

shaunbhoy
15th August 2006, 09:34
Personally, I think McLaren has shown a strong hand that says "I'm not interested in the Cult of Beckham, I'm interested in good, capable players. You've had your 15 mins in the slimelight, now feck off"

Quite right too.

Well of course that is the other slant on it. Personally, if I were an England fan I could live with that perspective if I could see an obvious Plan B, but I am not sure McLaren has one. Or even a Plan A for that matter.

BoredBloke
15th August 2006, 09:34
Beckham has not performed in an England shirt for years. In the last Euro championships he got @rsey with a member of the press who suggested that he was not having a good turnament. I think he honestly belives that he is performing. The one thing I rember from Beckham during his time at United was his workrate. That seems to have gone completely. All he offeres the team is a few good long passes and the odd dead ball kick. He doesn't defend, we all saw that. He can't tackle and now seems loathed to run.

The Sven era will be seen as a massive waste of time and talent. The England team should have done better, but too many 'stars' knew that Sven would not drop them. The worst example of this was Beckham himself. Lennon provided a much greater threat than Beckham in that position but was only given a few small chances to show what he could do. Beckham, along with Lampard should have been dropped to the bench at least in the world cup, and would have been if we had a manager who had the balls to do it. Unfortunately we had Sven.

AtW
15th August 2006, 09:35
Well, Beckham can't complain that he did not have chances under Sven - at the expense of others must I say, its only fair others take chance and try to prove themselves. This is the time to experiment because its not major competition time (when Sven experimented), so its only natural that tw@t Beckham was shown the door - I am pretty sure he is was unhappy more because of the blow to his vanity and profits (which will now drop because he is not captain and not in squad), rather than anything else.

The Lone Gunman
15th August 2006, 09:38
Bloody hell Shaun. Be careful, you are in danger becoming credible!

I have to agree with you. Becks is still viable and offers a great deal more than pace up the wing.
People lose sight of a number of facts:
He draws at least 2 defenders as soon as he gets the ball.
He is regarded as being one of the most field aware midfielders in the business.
He is a pinpoint passer of the ball (he has been a bit off that lately).
There are lots of other points too.

It seems to me that people hate him for obscure reasons. ie. He is ex Manure so the Manure haters don't like him.

I have to disagree with Alexei on a couple of other things too. His image is also part of his business so he changes his style as needed, not because he is showing off. Both he and his wife have been anything but publicity seeking and have tried very hard to be private people.
He is one of the most commited players the England team has. When it comes to England his attitude is terrific.

There is so much more to say on this.

Maybe he doesnt fit McLarens scheme, but lets not cheer the departure of
one of the best players England has seen in years. Instead let us applaud his talent, his commitment and his dignity in the job. He even got a round of applause from the press hacks and they are not easily impressed.
I have even forgiven him for the Argentina incident.

AtW
15th August 2006, 09:46
He is one of the most commited players the England team has. When it comes to England his attitude is terrific.

When I seen Lennon, Rooney and some other guys they were giving 200% when trying to get the ball, have you seen Beckham being arsed to run and get the ball? He can't be because he gets it anyway for free kick and corner. Rooney has also got attitude problem (kick people into the kerb), but at least he is trying his best in the game itself - so this attitude can be ignored more or less, but Beckham is just an overpaid tw@t whose personal vanity gets much higher priority than needs of the team.

IMO all managers should avoid creating cult of such starts - first for money reasons, and secondly to avoid high dependency on one person: when I get my football team (maybe Celtic to piss off shaun-bhoy) I will make sure that there is no single player that is a start its a team and reserves should not be never changed, everyone must play regularly.

The Lone Gunman
15th August 2006, 09:52
Oh Alexei, so much to learn and so little time.

Running around like a twat doesnt make you a great footballer, particularly if it leaves you out of position or creates a hole in the defence. The manager may also have a strategy that stops people chasing the ball.

Nobody creates these stars, they are extremely talented and attract addoring fans. Who can blame them for making the most of that?

AtW
15th August 2006, 09:56
Who can blame them for making the most of that?

I think Owen scored more internationally than Beckham, and he is a humble nice person who is not a tw@t, which Beckham certainly is - selfish tw@t at the expense of the team. His removal from team has got more with the bad attitude he shown, than his actual abilities (that are declining as people pointed out).

The Lone Gunman
15th August 2006, 10:17
I think Owen scored more internationally than Beckham, and he is a humble nice person who is not a tw@t, which Beckham certainly is - selfish tw@t at the expense of the team. His removal from team has got more with the bad attitude he shown, than his actual abilities (that are declining as people pointed out).As I said, so much to learn! Owen is a striker, it is his job to score. Beckham is a midfielder, it is his job to set up goals. Owen should have a better strike rate.
I don't see how you get the idea Becks is selfish or that he has a bad attitude or that he is a twat.
He is certainly slowing down, but he is still the best English man for his position and replacing him for the sake of it to make a point is stupid.

I suspect there is something else going on behind the scenes.

BoredBloke
15th August 2006, 10:21
I'm a man u fan but not a Beckham one anymore. I thought he was good while at Old Trafford, but something happened to him. I really think he started to go for his own hype. I would have loved nothing more than to see the Beckham of old turn up and win the world cup. Unfortunately it wasn't to be. Look at what he did in the world cup. One free kick goal and a couple of passes. Then look at what he didn't do. He can't tackle or defend and cost England on a couple of occasions because of it. But it is not juts this world cup. He was hopeless in the Euro campaign 2 years earlier. The same is true for the wc before, but that was down to the injury. Another problem with Beckham was his constant desire to play in the middle. How many times did the play break down on the right because he had gone walkabout.

The simple fact is, Beckham knew that there was no way on earth that he would be dropped because Sven would not do that to him. As for replacements, Lennon did pretty well. Wright Phillips has offered more in that position. I think dropping him might be a good think if it gives him the kick up the @rse he needs. Nobody has said that he can't regain his place.

AtW
15th August 2006, 10:28
A lot of Russian ice hockey players play in NHL and whatever they have in Canada - they are very good players, very very highly paid there, but when they get gathered to play for their country in some competitions they lose - that's because they are already multimillionaires and winning or losing for their country does not mean much really: the guys who fight well are those who have got a lot to gain and even more to lose: they won't get many more chances than that. That's why Lennon did his best and was very impressive, as for Beckham his only loss is that of captaincy and as the consequence his marketing contracts won't be so lucrative, the twat will probably have to do a few more interviews to admit he wears his wife's panties or something to increase interest to his persona.

AtW
15th August 2006, 11:21
Here is a good example at what Beckham really good at:

Becks and Posh Perfume

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.luxist.com/media/2006/08/becksnposh1.jpg

Posted Aug 13th 2006 10:02AM by Nicole Weston
Filed under: Cosmetics and Fragrance

David and Victoria Beckham are planning to launch a new fragrance together, called "Intimately." The pair worked closely, selecting scents and packaging for the complimentary his-and-hers perfumes (AtW's note: yeah bullcrap, specially trained people did the job and you just signed it off). Posh chose a pink and silver theme for her scent, while David went for a more masculine brown color. He already has a best selling after shave, Instinct, so it seems that the new fragrances are already on the road to success with many current users eager to try the new line. Not one to be left behind, Posh will soon add her own line of cosmetics and beauty products to her name, too.

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Name me other footballers in the whold world who is better than Beckham... in pimping stuff from big name companies? Beckham's place is in marketing books of all business schools.

Dundeegeorge
15th August 2006, 11:56
You purportedly don't care about football, you certainly don't know anything about football, but you loathe Beckham.
I ask again, what is your problem with him?

wendigo100
16th August 2006, 14:33
Nothing wrong with Beckham himself, but his form has been pretty mediocre for four years. Of course the 2006 world cup stats say that he scored a goal and assisted in two, but that's because he takes every dead-ball kick - several dozen in the world cup - and the laws of averages says that a goal must result from some of them.

In the world cup one corner in two didn't clear the first defender, four out of five crosses didn't find a teammate, and he needed twenty free kicks around the box to put one away. He's not the best at any of that any more.

On top of that, he contributes little else. He has lost that great engine, he cannot tackle, he is slow, he cannot head the ball, and his Hollywood balls were largely wasted. He had become a liability, and a logjam for up and coming players. Crikey, Sven even picked him in the holding role twice to try and keep him in the team. Remember the Northern Ireland game? What a great success that was!

I wish he'd been dropped sooner, so I could remember him as the very good player he once was.

AtW
16th August 2006, 14:35
I wish he'd been dropped sooner, so I could remember him as the very good player he once was.

Don't worry - big player sponsorship will ensure his face is plastered everywhere: he'd probably put it on female panties if he was paid enough for that.

wendigo100
16th August 2006, 16:31
I was talking about remembering his football.

AtW
17th August 2006, 15:12
BBC reports:

"McClaren has breathed fresh life into the England set-up by appointing John Terry as the new captain, recruiting former manager Terry Venables as his number two and axing the ineffective David Beckham, Sol Campbell and David James."