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psychocandy
10th February 2014, 09:35
Well still got current gig but looks like I'm not going back to previous client now. :-(

Long story and I'll say it again - I still find it hard to believe that clients can't even be arsed to act in a professional/decent manner. Disappointing indeed that a lot of people don't even have common courtesy.

In contrast to my current client who are the nicest bunch of people you could wish to work for. Upfront, honest etc. Pity the rate is shite.

It wouldnt be monday if there was no moaning from me!

NickFitz
10th February 2014, 09:41
Bummer :( Ah well, onwards and upwards! :bang:

bobspud
10th February 2014, 10:49
Sounds like a lucky escape. Have a :banana: in reward for not working with idiots. I am likely to end up in the same boat next month. They are in the middle of a massive re-org and are chucking contractors out like mad. I have one lot that keep talking about what is going to be happening in May and how much they need me and a re-org team saying no renewals this time around.

So I can see a sudden empty seat or 10 (and nothing written down to explain what we left behind.)

psychocandy
10th February 2014, 11:19
Possibly a lucky escape. Business is business but don't phone me up, ask if I'm available, tell me its 99% certain, ring me again a week later, then suddenly just ignore me. All it takes is 30 secs to say sorry its fallen through.....

Bellona
10th February 2014, 11:35
:( Sorry to hear.
+1 for WNFs said.
Could be worse, lot to be said for a decent team / client - few and far between these days :smile

bobspud
10th February 2014, 11:41
Possibly a lucky escape. Business is business but don't phone me up, ask if I'm available, tell me its 99% certain, ring me again a week later, then suddenly just ignore me. All it takes is 30 secs to say sorry its fallen through.....

You might find it had just gone to sleep for a "few weeks" until the next financial year. However its also a common problem that things change and permies have a real problem telling contractors they are out of luck. They don't seem to understand that we like that buzz of the chance to find something new (well I do anyway.)
Important thing is not to have a hissy fit at them. My friend works for a big and very reputable shopping brand. He works in the resourcing department getting contracts in place for guys like us. A few weeks ago he was telling me about a Unix chap that got bounced on a friday night because his boss didn't get a budget to renew him and he was asking for the guy to turn up on site the next monday on spec...

It turned out unfortunately although the guy wanted the contractor his boss didn't fancy the next three months of bills so that was the end of that the guy went from yep we are renewing you to >>>>> :tumble:

The bit the contractor would never have seen was the crap storm that then ensued for letting that happen to them.

psychocandy
10th February 2014, 12:12
Integrity and Professionalism is whats missing these days.

Honesty, no fannying around, and no bullshit. That's all I want.

oscarose
10th February 2014, 12:19
That's poor form old boy.

You'll get sorted.

:(

bobspud
10th February 2014, 12:25
Integrity and Professionalism is whats missing these days.

Honesty, no fannying around, and no bulltulip. That's all I want.

Manners have been lost almost entirely in our society. The skill of being special by treating your peers as special is beyond most peoples intellect.

evilagent
12th February 2014, 12:37
Integrity and Professionalism is whats missing these days.

Honesty, no fannying around, and no bulltulip. That's all I want.

Is this the same professionalism and integrity where you would dump current clientco if a much better paying gig came up?

Strewth! the hypocrisy of it all.
Grow up.

psychocandy
12th February 2014, 12:44
Is this the same professionalism and integrity where you would dump current clientco if a much better paying gig came up?

Strewth! the hypocrisy of it all.
Grow up.

FFS. How many times? Current client know the score. I told them when I started the gig that was the deal and they are happy with it. Thats integrity and honesty.

Mich the Tester
12th February 2014, 12:45
Possibly a lucky escape. Business is business but don't phone me up, ask if I'm available, tell me its 99% certain, ring me again a week later, then suddenly just ignore me. All it takes is 30 secs to say sorry its fallen through.....

Hard luck, but remember it happens all the time in business. Remember, you are an individual working for your business; in any business there are people who say they're interested in a product or service but then don't come and buy it. My mate's a car dealer and if he had a penny for everyone who says 'this is the car for me, I'll come back at the weekend and we'll agree on the options' and then never turns up he wouldn't need to work anymore. Your business is no different, and it's just like when you don't hear any response from sending in your CV; most businesses advertise but don't hear from people after an advert.

I don't want to seem harsh but you need to accept that it's part of being in business and it's not (usually not) personal, so don't take it personally.

Best of luck in finding a new gig.

NickFitz
12th February 2014, 12:46
Is this the same professionalism and integrity where you would dump current clientco if a much better paying gig came up?

Strewth! the hypocrisy of it all.
Grow up.

Never done that, never would. Only time it came up, the second client was happy to wait the six weeks left on the first gig until I became available :)

The amount of earbashing and general hassle I got from the agent until the new client said that, though! I can see how some people might have cracked and screwed the first client over, but it would have been the agent's fault for putting so much pressure on them :p

northernladuk
12th February 2014, 13:16
Integrity and Professionalism is whats missing these days.

Honesty, no fannying around, and no bulltulip. That's all I want.

Can't expect what you are not prepared to give can you?

psychocandy
12th February 2014, 15:47
Never done that, never would. Only time it came up, the second client was happy to wait the six weeks left on the first gig until I became available :)

The amount of earbashing and general hassle I got from the agent until the new client said that, though! I can see how some people might have cracked and screwed the first client over, but it would have been the agent's fault for putting so much pressure on them :p

Hmmm. Debatable..

A lot of clients give no 2nd thoughts on invoking notice if it suits them remember.

I'm all for being honest with people including clients. Like I said, before I started I had this discussion with client. They know its way below my normal rate, they know its not ideal for me but were happy to take me on the basis that I might at some point give them a weeks notice. Seems fair to me.

psychocandy
12th February 2014, 15:51
Hard luck, but remember it happens all the time in business. Remember, you are an individual working for your business; in any business there are people who say they're interested in a product or service but then don't come and buy it. My mate's a car dealer and if he had a penny for everyone who says 'this is the car for me, I'll come back at the weekend and we'll agree on the options' and then never turns up he wouldn't need to work anymore. Your business is no different, and it's just like when you don't hear any response from sending in your CV; most businesses advertise but don't hear from people after an advert.

I don't want to seem harsh but you need to accept that it's part of being in business and it's not (usually not) personal, so don't take it personally.

Best of luck in finding a new gig.

True. Slightly different with buying a car though surely? You get possibly 100s of people looking at the car, none of which you even know personally.

In this instance, I'd worked with the guy before, knew him quite well, been out for beers with him etc. Not so cool.

NickFitz
12th February 2014, 15:53
Hmmm. Debatable..

A lot of clients give no 2nd thoughts on invoking notice if it suits them remember.

I'm all for being honest with people including clients. Like I said, before I started I had this discussion with client. They know its way below my normal rate, they know its not ideal for me but were happy to take me on the basis that I might at some point give them a weeks notice. Seems fair to me.

Yes, that's absolutely fine - the point is agreeing to terms and sticking to them, or renegotiating if circumstances change, as opposed to evilagent's suggestion that contractors will just leave a client in the lurch.

bobspud
12th February 2014, 16:03
Yes, that's absolutely fine - the point is agreeing to terms and sticking to them, or renegotiating if circumstances change, as opposed to evilagent's suggestion that contractors will just leave a client in the lurch.

Actually my current client has a few guys that are prepping up to just wander off at the end of the month. Ones waiting to see he has the new role confirmed and the other one has a plan B to ramp up. I think that the agencies that have been dishing it out over the last few years have created a militant band of guys that are now ready to start behaving like plumbers. I don't agree with it myself but hey if they leave I get a renewal and I am not in through an agency so lifes great

northernladuk
12th February 2014, 16:18
FFS. How many times? Current client know the score. I told them when I started the gig that was the deal and they are happy with it. Thats integrity and honesty.

No it's not. It's business. Stuff changes so a business has to change. Integrity and honesty is about them lying to you and being purposely devious which I am sure clients are not. Their requirements have changed so they don't need you. You can't expect them to take you on when they no longer need you due to other changes. You believe you have integrity and honesty but you are prepared to drop the client when a better rate comes along i.e. there has been a change to your business. Does you changing tact because the business landscape has changed mean you do not have any integrity and honesty?

You need to learn the difference.

psychocandy
13th February 2014, 08:57
No it's not. It's business. Stuff changes so a business has to change. Integrity and honesty is about them lying to you and being purposely devious which I am sure clients are not. Their requirements have changed so they don't need you. You can't expect them to take you on when they no longer need you due to other changes. You believe you have integrity and honesty but you are prepared to drop the client when a better rate comes along i.e. there has been a change to your business. Does you changing tact because the business landscape has changed mean you do not have any integrity and honesty?

You need to learn the difference.

NLUK you've got it all wrong -thats not what I meant. Your are quite correct that things change from both sides. That is not my issue. It happens.

However, I don't think its unfair to expect to be told if things change. All it takes is one phone call - sorry we tried to sort it but its all fallen through. Not oh well we'll ignore him now.

Always mention example of agencies who you can't get hold of after an interview. It soon becomes obvious you've not got it but, some agencies, you call them and they're 'on the other line' or something.

I'm sorry but if I attend an interview, I, at least, expect the agency to waste 30 secs of his time to, at some point, give me a yay or nay.

Happened to me once or twice. So what'll I do next time when I see an identical role advertised by two agencies. I'll avoid the one that was crap the time before.

Potentially, if I get the gig with other agency the original agency have now lost the business because of the bad vibes they created last time. All because of a 30 sec call they chose not to make. This is not good business sense.

MPwannadecentincome
14th February 2014, 19:32
sorry to hear this - don't let it get you down!