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vetran
28th February 2014, 10:10
Are Google's doodles RACIST? Campaigners call for more diversity | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2569638/Are-Googles-doodles-RACIST-Campaigners-call-diversity-search-engines-celebrated-people.html)


Are Google's doodles racist and sexist? Campaigners call for more diversity in search engine's choice of people
Organisation claims it is 'uncommon for Google to celebrate women of color'
Says Doodles have become as important as stamps for recognition of key people and events
Google pledges to represent men and women equally in 2014

revisionist tosh or do they have a point?


I actually always thought the Google doodles were a great idea that many times taught me something new.

d000hg
28th February 2014, 10:14
Oh FFS. If I was drawing people they'd all be white because I live in a society which is very un-diverse. My mental image of a generic person is a white person, just as someone in China would automatically think of a Chinese person. I wouldn't start artificially putting in black people or Asian people just to make my work more diverse.

Also, isn't Google one of the most liberal companies out there? Their workforce is massively diverse since a)they recruit on talent b)they're very young c)based where they are based, there are massive Asian and black populations.

Mich the Tester
28th February 2014, 10:17
Are Google's doodles RACIST? Campaigners call for more diversity | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2569638/Are-Googles-doodles-RACIST-Campaigners-call-diversity-search-engines-celebrated-people.html)



revisionist tosh or do they have a point?


I actually always thought the Google doodles were a great idea that many times taught me something new.

Ther organisation that the DM refers to, SPARK, can be found here; The SPARKteam | SPARK Movement (http://www.sparksummit.com/sparkteam/)

As you can see, it's mostly made up of teenage idealists, but aside from that I think their argument is a bit silly and would actually damage the cause of fighting racism and sexism because it makes a very serious issues look rather ridiculous. I don't know how the Wail found this but they obviously have some serious googlists on board, searching the deepest recesses of the web for silly stuff they can use to pad out their rag with nonsense.

Indeed, revisionist tosh that wouldn't get any attention without the Wail's reactionary tosh factory.

vetran
28th February 2014, 10:27
Ther organisation that the DM refers to, SPARK, can be found here; The SPARKteam | SPARK Movement (http://www.sparksummit.com/sparkteam/)

As you can see, it's mostly made up of teenage idealists, but aside from that I think their argument is a bit silly and would actually damage the cause of fighting racism and sexism because it makes a very serious issues look rather ridiculous. I don't know how the Wail found this but they obviously have some serious googlists on board, searching the deepest recesses of the web for silly stuff they can use to pad out their rag with nonsense.

Indeed, revisionist tosh that wouldn't get any attention without the Wail's reactionary tosh factory.

Yeah they googled it from that rag Time.

Google Doodles Show Gender and Racial Inequality Says New SPARK Report | TIME.com (http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/02/27/google-doodle-more-like-google-dude-le/)

Also carried by the Independent who do credit the Mail.

northernladuk
28th February 2014, 10:29
Spark, which describes itself as a 'girl-fueled activist movement'


So it's going to give an even and unbiased argument then :eyes

What's with the 1% of 'Uncertain women'?

Surely when a company says....


Google pledges to represent men and women equally in 2014


It means it is going to be biased based on the fact that these groups are not equal is size or note? It would also mean real leaders or achievers could get passed over by lesser individuals just to keep the numbers even? I ******* hate this concept with a passion. To treat them fairly would have been a more acceptable term in my book.

Mich the Tester
28th February 2014, 10:30
Yeah they googled it from that rag Time.

Google Doodles Show Gender and Racial Inequality Says New SPARK Report | TIME.com (http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/02/27/google-doodle-more-like-google-dude-le/)

Also carried by the Independent who do credit the Mail.

Still very silly indeed. This kind of thing annoys me because I feel that racism and sexism are very serious issues that need to be tackled and this kind of campaign just attracts ridicule that smears everyone fighting against prejudice.

vetran
28th February 2014, 10:33
Yep a bunch something

Research Blog: How Being Ogled by Men Made My Brain Freeze | SPARK Movement (http://www.sparksummit.com/2013/09/11/research-blog-how-being-ogled-by-men-made-my-brain-freeze/)

OK so if you wander around in a swimsuit alone in a changing room & feel self concious its all a man's fault.


trust me if I were in a swimsuit in an all straight male environment I feel self concious. I'm unlikely to have women leer at me like the diet coke man.

doodab
28th February 2014, 10:35
We need to talk about why the numbers have been skewed for so long, and what it says about how we view history—whose achievements are important, whose achievements we celebrate, and whose achievements are erased. Google Doodles may seem lighthearted, especially when accompanied by quirky games and animation, but in reality they have emerged as a new manifestation of who we value as a society, a sign of who “matters.” Just like statues, stamps, and national holidays, you know that if someone is featured on Google’s homepage, they’ve done something important.

If we look at recorded history in the West, which makes sense as Google is a western company, then due to historic circumstances women & "people of colour" are somewhat underrepresented in the list of historical figures. From the Greeks up until the last 200 years or so human achievement is dominated by white men with a few Arabs thrown in, even more so if you were to exclude people on the basis that being the first woman or coloured person to do X isn't really an achievement as such. Google doodles are a fairly accurate reflection of history in that regard.

northernladuk
28th February 2014, 10:39
Yeah they googled it from that rag Time.

Google Doodles Show Gender and Racial Inequality Says New SPARK Report | TIME.com (http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/02/27/google-doodle-more-like-google-dude-le/)

Also carried by the Independent who do credit the Mail.

Maybe I am reading this all wrong but...


According to SPARK:

We need to talk about why the numbers have been skewed for so long, and what it says about how we view history—whose achievements are important, whose achievements we celebrate, and whose achievements are erased. Google Doodles may seem lighthearted, especially when accompanied by quirky games and animation, but in reality they have emerged as a new manifestation of who we value as a society, a sign of who “matters.” Just like statues, stamps, and national holidays, you know that if someone is featured on Google’s homepage, they’ve done something important.

Surely that statement actually justifies that Google is doing it right??? Or am I missing a subtle argument here? Surely the whole point of them is to signify who matters? :confused:

EternalOptimist
28th February 2014, 10:47
slightly off topic
but I was watching some chat show a few years back and some similar retards were slagging off a sex health video and book.
The feminista was looking for a fight and her first complaint was 'why are most of the women blonde?'
followed by
'Why are they all thin?'
'why are they all gorgeous'
'Why do the men always get an erection on demand?'
'why no frigid women'


at this point some bloke in the audience puts his hand up

'who wants to pay to see a video of fat ugly people failing to have sex?'


which was a pretty good answer I thought

Mich the Tester
28th February 2014, 10:51
slightly off topic
but I was watching some chat show a few years back and some similar retards were slagging off a sex health video and book.
The feminista was looking for a fight and her first complaint was 'why are most of the women blonde?'
followed by
'Why are they all thin?'
'why are they all gorgeous'
'Why do the men always get an erection on demand?'
'why no frigid women'


at this point some bloke in the audience puts his hand up

'who wants to pay to see a video of fat ugly people failing to have sex?'


which was a pretty good answer I thought

:laugh

doodab
28th February 2014, 11:02
'who wants to pay to see a video of fat ugly people failing to have sex?'

You could probably sell it if they succeeded though.

Troll
28th February 2014, 11:02
Ther organisation that the DM refers to, SPARK, can be found here; The SPARKteam | SPARK Movement (http://www.sparksummit.com/sparkteam/)

.Shame there's no forum so we could plan an away-day!

NotAllThere
28th February 2014, 11:36
...'who wants to pay to see a video of fat ugly people failing to have sex?'...
GCHQ, apparently.

NotAllThere
28th February 2014, 11:37
Ther organisation that the DM refers to, SPARK, can be found here; The SPARKteam | SPARK Movement (http://www.sparksummit.com/sparkteam/)...It has to be asked - all those young ladies... would Mich?

doodab
28th February 2014, 11:40
It has to be asked - all those young ladies... would Mich?

I'd rather hope not given a lot of them are of school age

northernladuk
28th February 2014, 11:47
It has to be asked - all those young ladies... would Mich?

Looking at the ages I think he would be committing numerous crimes if he said he would!

On the age thing, and I am probably start a flame war but bearing in mind I can't trust my teenager to make a decision about tying his own shoelaces, they seem very young to be putting forward a balanced and reasoned argument about anything.

I mean, fair play to the girl, I am sure she will go far but...


Cori Fulcher, 14, is a sophomore in Ann Arbor, Michigan. She loves comics, film, and children’s books. She is passionate about combating sexualization in comics as a medium and an industry, intersectional feminism, and ending rape culture. When not writing for SPARK she is a member of her school’s feminist club, runs Cross-Country, frets over her Girl Scout Gold Award, and works on her zine (readership of one).

How does a 14 year old that likes comics and childrens books know enough about feminism and life in general to put reasoned and balanced arguments forward on such a complex topic? Does she have an opinion or has just indoctrinated?

Mich the Tester
28th February 2014, 11:47
It has to be asked - all those young ladies... would Mich?

No.

This lady's more to my taste. She's not stunningly good looking, but quite attractive, would brush up well with a trip to the right boutiques, closer to my age, physically fit, well travelled, independently wealthy and obviously intelligent. You see, my taste is not as simple as some people think.

The Suitcase Entrepreneur Natalie Sisson is homeless but RICH! | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2569578/Homeless-RICH-Meet-business-savvy-travel-addict-lives-suitcase-earns-thousands-online.html)

The Entrepreneur | Natalie Sisson (http://www.nataliesisson.com/the-entrepreneur/)

vetran
28th February 2014, 11:50
No.

This lady's more to my taste. She's not stunningly good looking, but quite attractive, would brush up well with a trip to the right boutiques, closer to my age, physically fit, well travelled, independently wealthy and obviously intelligent. You see, my taste is not as simple as some people think.

The Suitcase Entrepreneur Natalie Sisson is homeless but RICH! | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2569578/Homeless-RICH-Meet-business-savvy-travel-addict-lives-suitcase-earns-thousands-online.html)

The Entrepreneur | Natalie Sisson (http://www.nataliesisson.com/the-entrepreneur/)

Mich if your tastes weren't complex we wouldn't value your opinion.

Some here would do almost anything.

northernladuk
28th February 2014, 11:56
No.

This lady's more to my taste. She's not stunningly good looking, but quite attractive, would brush up well with a trip to the right boutiques, closer to my age, physically fit, well travelled, independently wealthy and obviously intelligent. You see, my taste is not as simple as some people think.

The Suitcase Entrepreneur Natalie Sisson is homeless but RICH! | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2569578/Homeless-RICH-Meet-business-savvy-travel-addict-lives-suitcase-earns-thousands-online.html)

The Entrepreneur | Natalie Sisson (http://www.nataliesisson.com/the-entrepreneur/)

Hard work to get hold of her to give her a bit of MTT though no?

d000hg
28th February 2014, 12:03
How does a 14 year old that likes comics and childrens books know enough about feminism and life in general to put reasoned and balanced arguments forward on such a complex topic? Does she have an opinion or has just indoctrinated?Children can have some the rawest new ideas because they haven't already been told all their ideas are unoriginal and wrong.

Mich the Tester
28th February 2014, 12:04
Hard work to get hold of her to give her a bit of MTT though no?

Never mind; I've got a damn good woman of my own. She isn't independently wealthy yet, but she will be when she inherits half a province of farmland :D.

Goatfell
28th February 2014, 16:08
Ther organisation that the DM refers to, SPARK, can be found here; The SPARKteam | SPARK Movement (http://www.sparksummit.com/sparkteam/)

Maybe it's just me, but does it not seem strange that an organisation that is so committed to equality and the promotion of non-discriminatory policies - is composed of a single gender and age group:confused:

"Our SPARKteam is made up of engaged, passionate girls and young women"

vetran
28th February 2014, 16:11
Maybe it's just me, but does it not seem strange that an organisation that is so committed to equality and the promotion of non-discriminatory policies - is composed of a single gender :confused:

"Our SPARKteam is made up of engaged, passionate girls and young women"

its strong wimmin making a stand.

remember it can't be racism if the person saying N*gger is black and its not sexism if you have all female shortlists.

northernladuk
28th February 2014, 16:14
its strong girls making a stand.

remember it can't be racism if the person saying N*gger is black and its not sexism if you have all female shortlists.

FTFY...

Gives them all something to discuss while they are doing the ironing at least.

SueEllen
28th February 2014, 16:53
FTFY...

Gives them all something to discuss while they are doing the ironing at least.

What is this "ironing" of what you speak?

xoggoth
28th February 2014, 16:53
Is it actually disproportionate? I believe whites are the largest ethnic group globally and the proportion in more advanced/richer nations is certainly much higher.

Don't know the exact stats for Google users but experience suggests that people who come out with such discrimination stuff rarely do either.

vetran
28th February 2014, 18:08
FTFY...

Gives them all something to discuss while they are doing the ironing at least.

see Milli Tant from Viz.

vetran
28th February 2014, 18:10
Is it actually disproportionate? I believe whites are the largest ethnic group globally and the proportion in more advanced/richer nations is certainly much higher.

Don't know the exact stats for Google users but experience suggests that people who come out with such discrimination stuff rarely do either.

Asians - 2/3rds.

xoggoth
28th February 2014, 19:50
1 "Asians" is not an ethnic group. Chinese and Indians are the same?
2 2/3rds of what? Significant Google users? Because that is what is relevant here.