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    Why the Left hate Israel

    To illustrate my point in another thread about the self loathing left

    Anorak | The Left wing hates Israel because it despises the Western way of life

    But those are only peripheral reasons. There is a bigger, key reason, I think, for the left’s change – which is that the left has stopped believing in modernity and progress, and it sees Israel as the embodiment of those things. Its vitriolic hatred for Israel is really an expression of disdain and disgust for what we might call the Western project, the Western way of life, the old ideals of nationhood, sovereignty, economic growth, human expansion, social experimentation. Israel is seen as being at the sharp edge of all those once-positive but now hated values, and thus it is intensively loathed. The left, having lost faith in modernity, has turned Israel into a kind of punchbag against which it can express its own anti-modern, anti-progress, shallowly anti-Western feelings.

    In essence, Israel is very much a zeitgeist issue, where your attitudes towards it tend to reveal more about you and your worldview than they do anything about the reality of Israel. And the contemporary left’s attitudes to Israel reveal a lot about where it stands on the modern world itself. Israel is treated as a symbol of all the things that Western leftists and others once held dear, from self-possession to progressive intent, but which we now hold in trendy, postmodern disdain. This is where I think we can see that there is a very thin line, I’m afraid to say, between today’s fashionable anti-Zionism and old-style anti-Semitism.
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    Its vitriolic hatred for Israel is really an expression of disdain and disgust for what we might call the Western project, the Western way of life, the old ideals of nationhood, sovereignty, economic growth, human expansion, social experimentation
    You mean disdain and disgust for imperialistic conquest and trampling over weaker neighbours which we've renounced in favour of democratic self determination to the extent of allowing the scots a referendum and proposing we have one ourselves? Does that make CMD a leftie? Actually, aren't you in favour of a referendum? You self loathing leftie hypocrite bastard you...
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      #3
      From a young age I was led to believe that jewish people were good at making money, innovating and bettering themselves. If true, I haven't got a problem with that, but I can see why lefties would have.

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        Originally posted by doodab View Post
        You mean disdain and disgust for imperialistic conquest and trampling over weaker neighbours which we've renounced in favour of democratic self determination to the extent of allowing the scots a referendum and proposing we have one ourselves? Does that make CMD a leftie? Actually, aren't you in favour of a referendum? You self loathing leftie hypocrite bastard you...
        You mean like this?

        The left now uses extraordinary double standards to judge Israel. It views everything Israel does as automatically awful. So you can have a situation today where the very same leftists who cheer Barack Obama, even though he bombs militants in rural Pakistan, will accuse Israel of being evil and fascistic for bombing militants in Gaza. In recent months both Israel and Turkey have launched air strikes in Syria, but it is only Israel’s strikes that caused a commotion and led to claims about Israel stirring up global conflict once again. Most people don’t even know Turkey carried out military action in Syria, because the only thing that gets the modern mainstream left going is the behaviour of the apparently nasty and destabilising Jewish State.

        The double standards in relation to Israel are now so enormous that you will often hear British and American leftists calling on their governments to condemn Israel over its militarism in Gaza and elsewhere. So, our governments, which destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, whose wars overseas make Gaza look like a tea party in comparison, are invested by leftists with the moral authority to lecture Israel. This totally surreal situation springs from the fact that Israel is seen as different to every other state, as a lower form of life effectively, as criminal, and therefore it falls to the apparently more civilised Western nations to put it in its place. There is an ironically imperialistic streak to this left-wing agitation for the superior West to condemn stupid, backward, uncivilised Israel.
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          Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
          You mean like this?
          No, I mean persistently allowing and defending construction of new settlements on land that isn't theirs. Here is a map. Compare the second and final panels.



          That isn't self defence, it's systematic conquest.
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            Originally posted by doodab View Post
            No, I mean persistently allowing and defending construction of new settlements on land that isn't theirs. Here is a map. Compare the second and final panels.



            That isn't self defence, it's systematic conquest.
            As I said whilst I agree with you that it is wrong it does not explain the sheer left wing hatred of Israel.
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              #7
              Originally posted by doodab View Post
              You mean disdain and disgust for imperialistic conquest and trampling over weaker neighbours
              Whs, plus backward, introvert, paranoid and out of touch religious bullies.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                As I said whilst I agree with you that it is wrong it does not explain the sheer left wing hatred of Israel.
                No you didn't.
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                  I watched schindler's list the other night, and at the end the descendants of the schindler jews were marking his grave in Jerusalem.

                  At that point I struggled to feel sympathy for the Jewish people as a collective (or at least the Israeli Jews) having just watched what they had to suffer through, only to replay to some extend it to their new neighbours less than a lifetime later.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by doodab View Post
                    No you didn't.
                    I have previously condemned this practice. I still think it is used an excuse to disguise Nazi anti semitism.
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