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I need to rant about weaklings in meetings

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    I need to rant about weaklings in meetings

    Just been in a meeting discussing the approach to test reporting at clientco, which IMO is very bureaucratic and time consuming and involves inaccurate reporting based on constructs of which there is no agreement of the definition in the organisation, never mind the external customers. Every day I hear other testers, test managers and testcos complaining about it, and so today in a meeting I presented my arguments to the quality manager and the permie test line manager for simplifying it and reducing the bureaucracy for projects. I hoped, in vain it transpires, that the same people who moan about this every day would actually open their mouths as well, even if it was to disagree with me, which could lead to a useful discussion, but no, nothing; weedy little permies, most of whom only ever test one component from day to day, just sit there and say nothing when I stand up to fight against their big bugbear and the CMMi/ISO fundamentalist 'Quality Manager' and his bosom friend, the Test Manager who's only ever worked in one project with one stakeholder, sit and recite their ideology while I challenge them.

    FFS, when somebody tries to stand up to authority and get things changed for everyone's benefit, what is so difficult about helping just a little by relating the stories they tell me every day around the coffee machine?

    Bloody wimps. Just conform, like a bunch of lemmings instead of actually standing up for something.
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

    #2
    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
    instead of actually standing up for something.
    That doesn't sound like what the client paid for and would appear to be outside the scope of your contract. You're not billing for this scope deviation are you?

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      #3
      Originally posted by oracleslave View Post
      That doesn't sound like what the client paid for and would appear to be outside the scope of your contract. You're not billing for this scope deviation are you?
      I damned well am! They asked for an egg spurt, they'll bloody well pay for getting eggs on their faces! or mine
      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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        #4
        I hate it when you hold back. Tell us what you really think.

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          #5
          And now, amazing how the minutes of the meeting have been sent around, including to senior management, without the discussion!
          And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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            #6
            Ssssshhhh - you'll upset someone!
            "He's actually ripped" - Jared Padalecki

            https://youtu.be/l-PUnsCL590?list=PL...dNeCyi9a&t=615

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              #7
              Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
              And now, amazing how the minutes of the meeting have been sent around, including to senior management, without the discussion!
              Are you sure you're cut out for contracting, just sit back and invoice!
              Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

              No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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                #8
                Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View Post
                Are you sure you're cut out for contracting, just sit back and invoice!
                Maybe you´re right.

                One of the weaklings has just turned up at my desk and told me he completely agrees with me! Well why didn´t he ******* well say that during the meeting?
                And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
                  Ssssshhhh - you'll upset someone!
                  Perhaps I spent too many years fighting physical battles on rugby pitches where shirkers and weaklings get found out.
                  And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
                    Perhaps I spent too many years fighting physical battles on rugby pitches where shirkers and weaklings get found out.
                    I speak the truth to management in private, but in meetings I deliberately don't rock the boat...it makes life easier that way
                    Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.

                    No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.

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