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    I'll keep this concise; we need a second referendum. Monarch is the first major business casualty to come as a result of Brexit, due to an extremely weak pound.

    July 19th 2015 the £ vs the Euro was 1.44
    August 25th 2017, it's 1.077.
    Prior to Brexit the £ was at its weakest in 2013, and even then it was at 1.13.

    Why do we need another chance to vote? The turnout was 72%. I didn't vote because frankly, neither side used any FACTUAL information when presenting their argument. No-one actually knew what it meant so honestly, how on earth can you cast a vote? At least when you vote for a party they have a manifesto (not that it is ever stuck to) so you can get at least an idea of what the horizon may look like in a few years time. I am almost certain there were a large number of people who also didn't vote based on this total lack of information or frank dishonesty from both sides.

    Oh - and then there was the fact people voted for David Cameron steering us out of the EU - someone who was actually relatively capable, but oh no wait - another lie - he resigned. Whatever happened to "I'll see this through no matter the result!" - the whole thing has been a sham

    Brexit voters I really really hope your immigration policies (which won't happen by the way) and "sovereignty" were worth it.

    God help us of Corbyn offers us a glimmer of hope to go back in to Europe - I really fear people who wouldn't usually vote for Labour may just do so to get back into the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfx View Post
    I'll keep this concise; we need a second referendum. Monarch is the first major business casualty to come as a result of Brexit, due to an extremely weak pound.

    July 19th 2015 the £ vs the Euro was 1.44
    August 25th 2017, it's 1.077.
    Prior to Brexit the £ was at its weakest in 2013, and even then it was at 1.13.

    Why do we need another chance to vote? The turnout was 72%. I didn't vote because frankly, neither side used any FACTUAL information when presenting their argument. No-one actually knew what it meant so honestly, how on earth can you cast a vote? At least when you vote for a party they have a manifesto (not that it is ever stuck to) so you can get at least an idea of what the horizon may look like in a few years time. I am almost certain there were a large number of people who also didn't vote based on this total lack of information or frank dishonesty from both sides.

    Oh - and then there was the fact people voted for David Cameron steering us out of the EU - someone who was actually relatively capable, but oh no wait - another lie - he resigned. Whatever happened to "I'll see this through no matter the result!" - the whole thing has been a sham

    Brexit voters I really really hope your immigration policies (which won't happen by the way) and "sovereignty" were worth it.

    God help us of Corbyn offers us a glimmer of hope to go back in to Europe - I really fear people who wouldn't usually vote for Labour may just do so to get back into the club.
    To be fair, Monarch was probably doomed anyway. But the weak pound will have hastened it.
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    It was: do you want the UK to remain in the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by northernladyuk View Post
    To be fair, Monarch was probably doomed anyway. But the weak pound will have hastened it.
    I read that a lot of it was down to loss of demand for holidays in places like Egypt, Tunisia etc.

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    I seem to recall the value of the pound being one of many nails in its coffin.

    Please do correct me if I am wrong but the following factors that impacted their bottom line are not Brexit related:
    Reduction in tourism following terror attacks in Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey
    Increase in cheaper airfares to Spain and Portugal by other low cost operators that they were unable to compete with
    Enforced cost cutting from 2014 when they were taken over by private equity firm that probably left them in a position to be less reactive to external pressures

    They also failed to get into the low cost long haul market, like Norwegian has, where they possibly could have earned more revenue.

    Good to see you didn't vote in the referendum but still think you deserve to have a say in what happens. If you cared so much, you should have put an X in a box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Blue Plymouth View Post
    I read that a lot of it was down to loss of demand for holidays in places like Egypt, Tunisia etc.
    Yes. And a failing business model versus the 'real' low cost airlines. But the exchange rate caused by the Brexit vote was a contributing factors, so well done Brexiteers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfx View Post
    I'll keep this concise; we need a second referendum. Monarch is the first major business casualty to come as a result of Brexit, due to an extremely weak pound.

    July 19th 2015 the £ vs the Euro was 1.44
    August 25th 2017, it's 1.077.
    Prior to Brexit the £ was at its weakest in 2013, and even then it was at 1.13.

    Why do we need another chance to vote? The turnout was 72%. I didn't vote because frankly, neither side used any FACTUAL information when presenting their argument. No-one actually knew what it meant so honestly, how on earth can you cast a vote? At least when you vote for a party they have a manifesto (not that it is ever stuck to) so you can get at least an idea of what the horizon may look like in a few years time. I am almost certain there were a large number of people who also didn't vote based on this total lack of information or frank dishonesty from both sides.

    Oh - and then there was the fact people voted for David Cameron steering us out of the EU - someone who was actually relatively capable, but oh no wait - another lie - he resigned. Whatever happened to "I'll see this through no matter the result!" - the whole thing has been a sham

    Brexit voters I really really hope your immigration policies (which won't happen by the way) and "sovereignty" were worth it.

    God help us of Corbyn offers us a glimmer of hope to go back in to Europe - I really fear people who wouldn't usually vote for Labour may just do so to get back into the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladymuck View Post
    I seem to recall the value of the pound being one of many nails in its coffin.

    Please do correct me if I am wrong but the following factors that impacted their bottom line are not Brexit related:
    Reduction in tourism following terror attacks in Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey
    Increase in cheaper airfares to Spain and Portugal by other low cost operators that they were unable to compete with
    Enforced cost cutting from 2014 when they were taken over by private equity firm that probably left them in a position to be less reactive to external pressures

    They also failed to get into the low cost long haul market, like Norwegian has, where they possibly could have earned more revenue.

    Good to see you didn't vote in the referendum but still think you deserve to have a say in what happens. If you cared so much, you should have put an X in a box.
    As the majority for Leave was >1, voting wouldn't have made a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattfx View Post
    I'll keep this concise; we need a second referendum. Monarch is the first major business casualty to come as a result of Brexit, due to an extremely weak pound.

    July 19th 2015 the £ vs the Euro was 1.44
    August 25th 2017, it's 1.077.
    Prior to Brexit the £ was at its weakest in 2013, and even then it was at 1.13.

    Why do we need another chance to vote? The turnout was 72%. I didn't vote because frankly, neither side used any FACTUAL information when presenting their argument. No-one actually knew what it meant so honestly, how on earth can you cast a vote? At least when you vote for a party they have a manifesto (not that it is ever stuck to) so you can get at least an idea of what the horizon may look like in a few years time. I am almost certain there were a large number of people who also didn't vote based on this total lack of information or frank dishonesty from both sides.

    Oh - and then there was the fact people voted for David Cameron steering us out of the EU - someone who was actually relatively capable, but oh no wait - another lie - he resigned. Whatever happened to "I'll see this through no matter the result!" - the whole thing has been a sham

    Brexit voters I really really hope your immigration policies (which won't happen by the way) and "sovereignty" were worth it.

    God help us of Corbyn offers us a glimmer of hope to go back in to Europe - I really fear people who wouldn't usually vote for Labour may just do so to get back into the club.
    Heaven forbid you do some research personally into the situation.....also, didn't you get the government leaflet?

    So, surely you must have had some 'facts' for remaining right?
    (They must have told you about the army, loss of veto, closer union, qualified majority voting)

    72% turnout - I think that's sufficient (we have governments from less), what % should we require? 75, 80, 85?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    Heaven forbid you do some research personally into the situation.....also, didn't you get the government leaflet?

    So, surely you must have had some 'facts' for remaining right?
    (They must have told you about the army, loss of veto, closer union, qualified majority voting)

    72% turnout - I think that's sufficient (we have governments from less), what % should we require? 75, 80, 85?
    I researched the topic, had frequent discussions with parents, friends, etc about different views, pros and cons to staying or leaving etc. - I just did not feel that with the information available I could make a decision. On the one hand I genuinely felt like change could be a good thing, that if we were out of the EU we would be able to re-negotiate some better deals and policies. On the other hand, the status quo was clearly working, the economy was stable and everything was seemingly alright. We were paying some extortionate fees but, in return we were receiving a lot of aid (particularly in the agricultural sector - yes - i do read.)

    Like I said, I felt both camps were being completely dishonest with what the result would actually mean and I really couldn't make up my mind. I am absolutely certain there must be a fair percentage of people in the same situation as me; who simply did not feel there was enough legitimate information out there to form an opinion.

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